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Why the Doctrines of the Jehovah Witnesses are not acceptable as Christian

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That would make Christianity polytheistic.
You are right. That would mean three thrones. All three are one. They are interchangeable. Jesus was preaching to the lost in Satan's prison. 1 Peter 3:`19 - 20, KJV. Jesus guides us into all truth. Satan cannot put saved people into his prison. Why? The perfect mind of Jesus is in their mind.

Revelation 4:3“And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald.”​

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The Jehovah Witnesses do not believe in the deity of Christ. They have distorted the Bible to suit their doctrine. They believe in works (including going door to door) as the means of salvation.

JEHOVAH WITNESS AND THE DEITY OF CHRIST​

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Exposing False Teaching: Jehovah Witness & The Deity of Christ
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The purpose of this document is to provide a clear and succinct resource for Christians who encounter false teaching. This particular document focuses on one major false teaching propagated by the Jehovah Witness sect. Bear in mind that like most sects, there are a plethora of incorrect teachings, and false prophecies, however, the Jehovah Witnesses’ denial of Christ’s divinity is perhaps the most central. One central false teaching from the Jehovah Witness sect is their denial of Christ’s deity—that is, that Jesus was fully God. Jehovah Witnesses believe, “Jesus was only a perfect man, not God in flesh,” Reasoning from the Scriptures, 1985, pp. 306. Before and after Jesus’ incarnation they believe that Jesus was (and now is) the archangel Michael, “Jesus was Michael the archangel who became a man, The Watchtower, May 15, 1963, p. 307; The New World, 284. The divinity of Christ is a central Christian doctrine firmly grounded in the Bible. Below are a list of Scriptures that clearly demonstrate the divine nature of Jesus of Nazareth. Jehovah Witnesses, support their false view of Christ, in part, on their false translation of Scripture: The New World Translation (NWT). The New World Translation was translated by 5 Jehovah Witness men in 1950 (Information supplied by former Governing Body Official, Raymond Franz-Crisis of Conscience). The seven translations of Scripture we have chosen for comparison are recognized to be the most accurate in the English language. Together they represent more than 400 Bible scholars from a wide variety of denominations and countries. One can easily see how the NWT “translators” have purposefully distorted Scripture in order to support their heretical view of Christ’s nature.
(All underlined words or phrases below are for emphasis only)
Scripture quotations are from The Holy Bible, English Standard Version, copyright © 2007 by Crossway Bibles, a division of Good News Publishers. Used by permission. All rights reserved.
VERSENASB, ESV, NIV, RSV, HCSB, KJV, NKJV(representing over 400 translators from different Christian denominations)New World Translation (NWT) (Jehovah Witness Bible) (representing 5 JW translators)Commentary
Matthew 28:17 (also 28:9, Philip. 2:9-10, Heb. 1:6, Rev.5:14)And when they saw him they worshiped him, but some doubtedand when they saw him they did obeisance, but some doubtedWorship is reserved for God alone. (Ex. 20:5, Acts 14:15, 20:26, Rev. 19:10) In many places Jesus is worshiped by both angels and mankind. All references to the worship of Jesus have been systematically deleted or obscured in the NWT.
John 1:1;14a(see also Isaiah 45:21)In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.And the Word became flesh and dwelt among usIn [the] beginning the Word was, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.Since in verse 1 “the Word was God” and in verse 14 “the Word became flesh and dwelt among us,” it is clear the Jesus is God. The NWT state Jesus was “a god.” Ps. 96:5 states, “For all the gods of the peoples are worthless idols, but the LORD made the heavens.” Or “Was it not I, the LORD? And there is no other god besides me, a righteous God and a Savior; there is none besides me” (Isaiah 45:21)
John 8:58Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”Jesus said to them: “Most truly I say to YOU, Before Abraham came into existence, I have been.”Jesus’ statement was a clear reference to his identification as God. In Exodus 3:14 God identified himself to Moses as, “I am”, God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” And he said, “Say this to the people of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you. The NWT uses “I have been”-clearly intended to obscure the divinity of Jesus-clearly a false tranlsation of the Greek “ego eimi”-I AM.
John 14:11 (also 10:38)“I am in the Father and the Father is in me.”“I am in union with the Father and the Father is in union with me.”A verse that underscores the unity of the Godhead, and the divinity of Christ. The NWT inserts the word “union” which is not in any Greek manuscripts.
John 20:28Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!”In answer Thomas said to him: “My Lord and my God!”This is a rare gem found in the NWT: a clear declaration of Christ’s deity that has not been edited away.
1 Corinthians 10:4 (Isaiah 44:8)For they drank from the spiritual Rock that followed them, and the Rock was Christ.For they used to drink from the spiritual rock-mass that followed them, and that rock-mass meant the Christ.In the Old Testament the LORD (Yahweh) is often referred to as the “Rock.” (Dt. 32:4, 2 Sam. 22:3, Ps. 89:26, Is. 44:8) Who followed Moses and the Israelites in the wilderness?-None other than God. The NWT attempts to mislead the implication with “rock-mass” when the word in Greek is “petras” simply means “rock.” Also the Greek states that “the Rock was Christ” There is no Greek word for “meant” here. Another clear false insertion to obscure the meaning of the text.
Colossians 1:16See. John 1:3, Isaiah 44:24For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities–all things were created through him and for him.because by means of him all [other] things were created in the heavens and upon the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, no matter whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All [other] things have been created through him and for him.Who created all things? “Thus says the LORD, your Redeemer, who formed you from the womb:
“I am the LORD, who made all things, who alone stretched out the heavens, who spread out the earth by myself,” (Isaiah 44:24) Since the LORD (Yahweh) alonecreated all things Colossians 1:16 clearly demonstrates the deity of Christ. That is why the NWT places the word “other” in the text. The word “other” is found in no Greek manuscripts.
Colossians 1:19For in him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwellbecause [God] saw good for all fullness to dwell in himAll translations make it clear the fullness of God was pleased to dwell in Christ. I’m not sure we understand the meaning of the NWT.
Colossians 2:9“in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form.”“it is in him that all the fullness of the divine quality dwells bodily.”The Greek “theotetos” means Deity or Divinity not “divine quality.” Again, because of their denial of the divinity of Christ, the translators have systematically attempted to blur practically all references to Christ’s divine nature.
Hebrews 1:3He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power.He is the reflection of [his] glory and the exact representation of his very being, and he sustains all things by the word of his power;In this example Christ is the exact imprint (or duplicate) of the nature/essence (hypostaseos) of God. A clear attestation to the deity of Jesus.
Hebrews 1:8“But about the Son he says, ‘Your throne O God will last forever.’”“with reference to the Son: ‘ God is your throne forever and ever.”God speaks about the Son identifying him as “God.” (Not so in the NWT)
Hebrews 1:6“Let all God’s angels worship him.”“Let all God angels do obeisance to him.”As we have seen before the NWT never ascribe worship to Jesus, knowing that if that be so he can be neither man nor angel, but indeed Almighty God! (Isaiah 9:6)
2 Peter 1:1(same issue found in Titus 2:13)To those who have obtained a faith of equal standing with ours by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christto those who have obtained a faith, held in equal privilege with ours, by the righteousness of our God and [the] Savior Jesus ChristThe definite article “the” may seem like a detail, but notice how that insertion in the NWT changes the meaning of the text. It clearly attempts to dull the implication the unity between Jesus and God. “The” is not found in any Greek manuscripts.
Isaiah 9:6For to us a child is born,
to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace
For there has been a child born to us, there has been a son given to us; and the princely rule will come to be upon his shoulder. And his name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of PeaceA Messianic prophecy regarding Jesus of Nazareth. Notice one of his names is “Mighty God.”
Further support for the divinity of Christ are the attributes that Jesus shares with God the Father. Below are a few examples.
The Attributes of Jesus.
Creator.
Scripture unambiguously teaches that “God” created all things. In fact, in Isaiah 44:24, the Bible says the LORD (Yahweh) alone created the heavens and earth. In Colossians 1:16 Scripture teaches Jesus created all things. This is an unmistakable declaration of the divinity of Jesus of Nazareth.
1. In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth (Genesis 1:1)
2. Thus says the LORD, your Redeemer, who formed you from the womb:”I am the LORD, who made all things, who alone stretched out the heavens, who spread out the earth by myself,” (Isaiah 44:24)
3. For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities–all things were created through him and for him. (Colossians 1:16)
Worship
Jesus received worship from both angels and mankind. (Matthew 28:9, 17, Philippians 2:10, Hebrews 1:6, Revelation 5) Worship is reserved exclusively for God (not to either mankind or angels). (Exodus 20:5, Acts 14:15, 20:26, Revelation 19:10)
Authority to Forgive Sins
Scripture teaches that God alone has the authority to forgive sin. (Isaiah 43:25, Psalm 32:5, Psalm 130) This same attribute is a part of Jesus’ ministry.
“And when Jesus saw their faith, he said to the paralytic, “My son, your sins are forgiven.” Now some of the scribes were sitting there, questioning in their hearts, “Why does this man speak like that? He is blaspheming! Who can forgive sins but God alone?”
(Mark 2:5-7)
Omnipresence “For where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I among them.” (Matthew 18:20) One of the attributes of God is omnipresence: that is being at all places at all times. In the above verse Jesus told his disciples that he wherever 2 or 3 are gathered in his name he would be present. This is impossible for an angel or man to accomplish.
Inherent Authority-to declare the Words of God In the Old Testament the prophets always prefaced their prophetic statements with, “thus saith the LORD.” They did this to demonstrate the source and hence authority of the words. When Jesus utters the words of God he makes no such preface, but rather says, “I say”. (not as the prophets, “thus saith the LORD.” (Matt. 5:22, 28, 32, 34, 39, 44)
The Titles of the Father and the Son.
Another convincing piece of evidence for the deity of Christ are the “titles” that are bestowed on both the Father and the Son. Here are a few examples.
First and the Last
Father: Thus says the LORD (Yahweh), the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the LORD (Yahweh) of hosts: “I am the first and I am the last; besides me there is no god.” (Isaiah 44:6) Clearly, the title, “I am the first and the last” in this verse is in reference to the LORD (Yahweh). See also Isaiah 41:4, 44:12.
Son: When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. But he laid his right hand on me, saying, “Fear not, I am the first and the last, and the living one. I died, and behold I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of Death and Hades. (Revelation 1:17-18)
Son: And to the angel of the church in Smyrna write: ‘The words of the first and the last, who died and came to life. (Revelation 2:8) These last 2 references are clearly referring to Jesus. Therefore the same title “I am the first and the last” is bestowed on both the Father and the Son.
Alpha & Omega
Closely related to First and Last is the title Alpha and Omega. Alpha is the first letter of the Greek alphabet and Omega the last, hence the relationship to First and Last. There are 3 references to the title Alpha and Omega in the book of Revelation:
Father: I am the Alpha and the Omega, says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.” (Revelation 1:8)
Father: And he said to me, “It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. To the thirsty I will give from the spring of the water of life without payment. (Revelation 21:8)
Son: “Behold, I am coming soon, bringing my recompense with me, to repay everyone for what he has done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.” (Revelation 22:16)
The first 2 references are clearly referring to “God.” The 3rd reference is definitely referring to the Son, since he is the one “coming soon.” (see 1:7, 22:16, 20) Therefore the title Alpha and Omega is applied to both the Father and the Son interchangeably.
King of Kings and Lord of Lords
Father: “which he will display at the proper time–he who is the blessed and only Sovereign, the King of kings and Lord of lords, who alone has immortality, who dwells in unapproachable light, whom no one has ever seen or can see. To him be honor and eternal dominion. Amen” (1 Timothy 6:15-16, see also Deuteronomy 10:17, Psalm 136:3) All references to the Father.
Son: They will make war on the Lamb, and the Lamb will conquer them, for he is Lord of lords and King of kings, and those with him are called and chosen and faithful. (Revelation 17:14)
Son: “On his robe and on his thigh he has a name written, King of kings and Lord of lords.” (Revelation 19:16) A clear reference to Jesus. Another title that is used for both God the Father and God the Son.
Jehovah Witness Arguments:
Colossians 1:15 is a key Scripture Jehovah’s Witnesses us to substantiate their belief, that Jesus is a created being: “He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.” Colossians 1:15
Does “firstborn” mean “first created” as Jehovah Witnesses teach, “Thus he is shown to be a created being, part of the creation produced by God” (Reasoning from Scriptures, 1989, 409)?
  • First: Jesus was not the “first created” since Colossians 1:16 states he created all things. If he himself were created he couldn’t have created all things. (that is why the NWT inserts the word “other.”)
  • Second: In fact Scripture teaches that Jesus created all angels, and all worship him. (Hebrews 1:6) (JW believe Jesus is the archangel Michael.)
  • Third: In Scripture the word “firstborn” carries the meaning “supreme” or “preeminent,” not first created. The firstborn son usually had this special status. In Col. 1:15, “firstborn of all creation” means he is supreme over creation since all things were created by him (1:16). Jesus is supreme over creation because he is its author and creator. (see also John 1:3)
  • Fourth: “Firstborn” is also used in relation to Christ’s preeminence or supremacy over death since he was the first to conquer death by his resurrection from the dead. (Col. 1:18, Rev. 1:5)
  • Fifth: “Firstborn” doesn’t necessarily mean “first.” King David is referred to in Scripture (Psalm 89:27) as the “firstborn,” though he had 7 older brothers! David was not “first-created;” David was preeminent. In fact Scripture teaches David was “firstborn” over all the kings of the earth. (Psalm 89:27) Clearly he was preeminent over all kings, not the first-created king.
  • Sixth: Israel is the LORD’s “firstborn son” (Exodus 4:22). Israel was by no means the “first created” people of God. There are many nations that precede Israel. Similarly in Jeremiah 31:9 the LORD says, “Ephraim is my firstborn son.” Ephraim was not the LORD’s “first created” son. He was one of Joseph’s sons and became the name of the northern kindom.
  • Therefore it is abundantly clear that in Scripture firstborn does not mean first created. This is a clear misunderstanding.
“You heard me say to you, ‘I am going away, and I will come to you.’ If you loved me, you would have rejoiced, because I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.” (John 14:28)
  • First, in the gospel of John, Scripture clearly presents Jesus as God. (John 1:1,3,14, 8:58, 10:30, 14:11, 20:28)
  • Second, Christ voluntarily “humbled himself” (Philippians 2:8). Christ’s humility is misunderstood for difference in ontology (essence/nature). This is a common mistake in Jehovah Witness interpretation.
  • Third: It is possible (for example) for an earthly father and son to be of the same essence or nature (human) but have different roles or positions.
Implications for the Atonement
  • First, Jehovah Witnesses believe that while on earth Jesus was a perfect man. Before and after his earthly existence he was (and is) the archangel Michael.
  • No human could have bore the sins of the world in his body. Only God could bear the weight and terror of sin.
  • No human could have bore the wrath of God for all sin. Not only did Jesus bear our sin, but he also bore the punishment due sin, therefore appeasing the wrath of Almighty God.
  • No mere human could have been an adequate mediator between God and Man, unless he was both fully God and fully man. (1 Timothy 2:5)
  • In Cur Deus Homo, Why God became a man, St. Anselm (1033-1109) states in regards to the Atonement that, “For God will not do it, because he has no debt to pay; and man will not do it, because he cannot. Therefore, in order that the God-man may perform this, it is necessary that the same being should perfect God and perfect man, in order to make this atonement.” (Chapter VII) Thus only God could take away man’s sins and only man needed them to be taken away.
Conclusion: The Scripture teaches that Jesus was both fully man and fully God. The few examples that we have outlined above make this fact abundantly clear. It is equally clear that the New World Translation has deliberately attempted to bury this cardinal Christian doctrine.
As in the book of Acts and The Gospel According to James where James states that Paul is full of shit.
 

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As in the book of Acts and The Gospel According to James where James states that Paul is full of shit.
You can say it in a simple way. A man cannot say into thy hands I commend my spirit, and then die. A man has no control of when they live again. Jesus has that power.
 

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Why the Doctrines of the Jehovah Witnesses are not acceptable as Christian

I'm not a JW, and what little I think I know of their unique doctrines, I have significant disagreements with.

That notwithstanding, I would never have the hubris to presume to tell those of another religion that their doctrines are not acceptable.

Neither should you; and I doubt if any JW or any member of any other religion is looking to you for permission to believe and practice what their religion teaches.

I cannot claim to know enough about the JW doctrines to know how true what you say about them is or is not, but I have certainly noticed that in discussions about my religion, you persist in spreading malicious lies about what we Mormons believe and practice.

When your approach to apolo0getics is based on spreading lies about what others believe and practice, then one has to know that it is not the religions that you this slander that have anything wrong with them, but your own religion, which cannot be promoted through truth, but only through lies.

Lies are of the Devil, not of God; and by engaging in this practice, you make it very clear on which side you stand.
 
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I'm not a JW, and what little I think I know of their unique doctrines, I have significant disagreements with.

That notwithstanding, I would never have the hubris to presume to tell those of another religion that their doctrines are not acceptable.

Neither should you; and I doubt if any JW or any member of any other religion is looking to you for permission to believe and practice what their religion teaches.

I cannot claim to know enough about the JW doctrines to know how true what you say about them is or is not, but I have certainly noticed that in discussions about my religion, you persist in spreading malicious lies about what we Mormons believe and practice.

When your approach to apolo0getics is based on spreading lies about what others believe and practice, then one has to know that it is not the religions that you this slander that have anything wrong with them, but your own religion, which cannot be promoted through truth, but only through lies.

Lies are of the Devil, not of God; and by engaging in this practice, you make it very clear on which side you stand.
The church that exists needs to get a beam out of their eye, before they can remove a mot or beam out of the eye of others. The church introducing of money made god's image to say no to itself. Money made people to ravage the earth, in a mad dash to make money. That is rapidly depleting our god given resources. The church made the state to make laws against whoever. Life that sucks and fucks, is afraid of being seen doing a totally normal thing. It totally sucks, to be afraid of being caught doing that act, think thinking you are going to be fucked, had you be caught doing that act, with whatever mammal.
 

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As in the book of Acts and The Gospel According to James where James states that Paul is full of shit.
All of the churches have distorted the Bible. That is why God's image is tormented. That is why we have jails. The judging people use is Satan's form of Judging, not the kind of Judging Jesus told us to use. People are using money. Money is anti ask and receive. The church is not mentally preparing their mind for when the Abomination of Desolation shows up, saying that being is God, lying to all of us. That being will b not say don't be afraid. That will be a shining being covered in gold and every precious gem, unchanged by sin. Jesus is in the form of the Holy Spirit right now. The Unseen Father is in the mind of Jesus, visually seen.
 

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All of the churches have distorted the Bible. That is why God's image is tormented. That is why we have jails. The judging people use is Satan's form of Judging, not the kind of Judging Jesus told us to use. People are using money. Money is anti ask and receive. The church is not mentally preparing their mind for when the Abomination of Desolation shows up, saying that being is God, lying to all of us. That being will b not say don't be afraid. That will be a shining being covered in gold and every precious gem, unchanged by sin. Jesus is in the form of the Holy Spirit right now. The Unseen Father is in the mind of Jesus, visually seen.
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This is going to be an extensive study.​

2 Peter 3:10-18: 10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.​

Deuteronomy 32:22“For a fire is kindled in mine anger, and shall burn unto the lowest hell, and shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on fire the foundations of the mountains.”​

Psalms 50:3 “Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.”​

Hebrews 12:29 "For our God is a consuming fire."

Jamies 1:27 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.​

1 John 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.​

Revelation 20:5“But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished.

Malachi 4:3“And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts.”​

Rev 6:4, And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.​

Isaiah 13:10“For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine." That is a simultaneous event.​

This talks about satan.

Matthew 24:15“When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)”​

Mark 13:14“But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:”​

Revelation 4:4“And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.”​

We ought to stand on the earth, not the Fallen Lucifer as that being is. Abomination of Desolation is Satan. That being made stars to be gas clouds, when that being was chosen to be our master.​

Genesis 1:17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth. Set did not make gas clouds.​

Revelation 4:4 “And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.”

The legal system is Satan's fear giving throne on the earth, imitating God's throne that has 24 seats around it.​

King James Version (KJV)​

Genesis 19:9 And they said, Stand back. And they said again, This one fellow came in to sojourn, and he will needs be a judge: now will we deal worse with thee, than with them. And they pressed sore upon the man, even Lot, and came near to break the door.: There was one person coming to Lots door, not many, which is depicted in videos. Sodomites were defiled religious people.​

Isaiah 1:10-20:10 Hear the word of the Lord, ye rulers of Sodom; give ear unto the law of our God, ye people of Gomorrah.​

11 To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the Lord: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.​

12 When ye come to appear before me, who hath required this at your hand, to tread my courts?​

13 Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.​

14 Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them.​

15 And when ye spread forth your hands, I will hide mine eyes from you: yea, when ye make many prayers, I will not hear: your hands are full of blood.​

16 Wash you, make you clean; put away the evil of your doings from before mine eyes; cease to do evil;​

17 Learn to do well; seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow.​

18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the Lord: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.​

19 If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land:​

20 But if ye refuse and rebel, ye shall be devoured with the sword: for the mouth of the Lord hath spoken it.​

What is talked about below is not an earthy king. There were no earthly kings in the Garden of Eden. Satan is devoured from the inside out in the sight of men being burned up.​

Ezekiel 28:13-19: 13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.​

14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.​

15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.​

16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.​

17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.​

18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.​

19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.​

A lot of symbolism not understood unless taught by Jesus' real teachers here on earth.
 

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The majority of translations are filled with translating errors. All places claiming to serve God and using the error filled bibles are being mislead.
 

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The majority of translations are filled with translating errors. All places claiming to serve God and using the error filled bibles are being mislead.
The devil makes people to make assumptions thinking they are fact. God maintains Scripture. God's word does to teach people to break the laws that Jesus kept. God says thus far, and no farther. They that know Jesus, comparing scripture with scripture, will keep themselves from being like Christs enemies who needed to be born again. The church says that, having no idea what they are saying.
 

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The church that exists needs to get a beam out of their eye, before they can remove a mot or beam out of the eye of others. The church introducing of money made god's image to say no to itself. Money made people to ravage the earth, in a mad dash to make money. That is rapidly depleting our god given resources. The church made the state to make laws against whoever. Life that sucks and fucks, is afraid of being seen doing a totally normal thing. It totally sucks, to be afraid of being caught doing that act, think thinking you are going to be fucked, had you be caught doing that act, with whatever mammal.
 

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I'm not a JW, and what little I think I know of their unique doctrines, I have significant disagreements with.

That notwithstanding, I would never have the hubris to presume to tell those of another religion that their doctrines are not acceptable.

Neither should you; and I doubt if any JW or any member of any other religion is looking to you for permission to believe and practice what their religion teaches.

I cannot claim to know enough about the JW doctrines to know how true what you say about them is or is not, but I have certainly noticed that in discussions about my religion, you persist in spreading malicious lies about what we Mormons believe and practice.

When your approach to apolo0getics is based on spreading lies about what others believe and practice, then one has to know that it is not the religions that you this slander that have anything wrong with them, but your own religion, which cannot be promoted through truth, but only through lies.

Lies are of the Devil, not of God; and by engaging in this practice, you make it very clear on which side you stand.
God is in your mind disagreeing with the JW people. The JW people are walking in the dark making their own book. They think their art work is sufficient. They try to depict God's kingdom which is a big mistake. No one has seen God's visual kingdom. Satan made what we think is heaven. It is a part of Satan's prison. Color from the gems on that being, colors that place. Near death people are fooled when they encounter that place.
 

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God is in your mind disagreeing with the JW people. The JW people are walking in the dark making their own book. They think their art work is sufficient. They try to depict God's kingdom which is a big mistake. No one has seen God's visual kingdom. Satan made what we think is heaven. It is a part of Satan's prison. Color from the gems on that being, colors that place. Near death people are fooled when they encounter that place.


The teachings of Jesus back the JW teachers. The facts of True God worship history back the JW teachers. Does one need more?
 

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The teachings of Jesus back the JW teachers. The facts of True God worship history back the JW teachers. Does one need more?
A single teaching proves it--- Matthew 6:33-- Therefore keep on seeking- FIRST- the kingdom and his ( YHWH(Jehovah) righteousness, and all these things will be added( sustenance, covering, spirituality) Once one listens to Jesus, they then know 100% for sure this is the bottom line-John 4:22-24--The real Jesus sends one to his God and Father. to do just that daily 24/7-365.
 

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I dont care what they beleive its none of my business. When they start trying to enforce their personal beliefs through law like the money grubbing, phoney faith healing Evangelicals do, it will be my business
 

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I dont care what they beleive its none of my business. When they start trying to enforce their personal beliefs through law like the money grubbing, phoney faith healing Evangelicals do, it will be my business
One thing I do admire about the JWs is their apolitical stance. Members are forbidden to vote. So no chance of them enforcing anything on anyone.
 

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One thing I do admire about the JWs is their apolitical stance. Members are forbidden to vote. So no chance of them enforcing anything on anyone.
To be fair, they arent apolitical, they simply dont recognize and authority except god. If they became extremist, we'd have a problem. They literally dont recognize the law.
 

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