Why support Israel?

[Eloy]

The difference is Israel has a real nation, Palestine does not...

All the more reason to support Israel. She is a real nation. The OP doesn't ask about Palestine or compare Palestine. It asks why one would support Israel. Well, one should support Israel because one should support the right of peoples to self-determination, self-government and sovereignty.

Do you want to argue that we SHOULDN'T be supporting these things?

The European Jews would have done better to stay in their own countries and help the former Soviet Union and its satellite nations in Eastern Europe develop into democracies. They are a poison in the Middle East.

They're poison in the Middle-East, but not in Eastern-Europe?

Genrikh Yagoda, Lazar Kaganovich, Bela Kuhn, Jakub Berman, Matvei Berman, Leon Trotsky, Lenin, Roman Romkowski,Salomon Morel, Semion Mogilevich, Ludwig Fainberg, Marat Baragula...

You seem to believe all Jews supported the oppressive communist governments in European countries. I cannot express an opinion on that but you are missing my point.

Nope, but I do believe that the Soviet NKVD was more Jewish than Russian in the early - mid 1930's, as factual documentation supports that roughly 40% of the NKVD was Jewish, and roughly 35% were Russian, furthermore the founder, and head of the NKVD was a Jew Genrikh Yagoda.

You have just lost the argument. By making a distinction between [Russian] Jews and Russians, you are stating that Russian Jews are not Russians. If Russian Jews are not Russian then they must be some other nationality. Portuguese? Swedish? Irish, perhaps? Because if Russian Jews are none of these and belong to no nation then they ought to make a state for themselves. This is the argument or the creation if Israel. ... I take a different view.

 

[Indeependent]

All the more reason to support Israel. She is a real nation. The OP doesn't ask about Palestine or compare Palestine. It asks why one would support Israel. Well, one should support Israel because one should support the right of peoples to self-determination, self-government and sovereignty.

Do you want to argue that we SHOULDN'T be supporting these things?

The European Jews would have done better to stay in their own countries and help the former Soviet Union and its satellite nations in Eastern Europe develop into democracies. They are a poison in the Middle East.

They're poison in the Middle-East, but not in Eastern-Europe?

Genrikh Yagoda, Lazar Kaganovich, Bela Kuhn, Jakub Berman, Matvei Berman, Leon Trotsky, Lenin, Roman Romkowski,Salomon Morel, Semion Mogilevich, Ludwig Fainberg, Marat Baragula...

You seem to believe all Jews supported the oppressive communist governments in European countries. I cannot express an opinion on that but you are missing my point.

Nope, but I do believe that the Soviet NKVD was more Jewish than Russian in the early - mid 1930's, as factual documentation supports that roughly 40% of the NKVD was Jewish, and roughly 35% were Russian, furthermore the founder, and head of the NKVD was a Jew Genrikh Yagoda.

You have just lost the argument. By making a distinction between [Russian] Jews and Russians, you are stating that Russian Jews are not Russians. If Russian Jews are not Russian then they must be some other nationality. Portuguese? Swedish? Irish, perhaps? Because if Russian Jews are none of these and belong to no nation then they ought to make a state for themselves. This is the argument or the creation if Israel. ... I take a different view.

Jews in Russia were treated like shit.
They were forced into atheism.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Yes, well without Colonialism, nor Racism being prevalent anymore in the West, I don't know how Israel would expect to gather support by leveling the Arabs.

You're really in Stupid Mode tonight...
The Jews got land, like many other nations after WWII, and only Jews supported the State of Israel.
And Israel kicked ass in 1967 without a dollar from anyone but Jews since 1948.

This proves you wrong, BTW, quite a bit of support for early Israel.

Who did what for Israel in 1948? America Did Nothing

Thanks for the Link that shows moral and diplomatic support...not financial support.
You're the man!

Total deliveries (confirmed until October 1948)
Infantry weapons

• 34,500 P-18 rifles
• 5,515 MG 34 machine guns with 10,000 ammo belts
• 10,000 vz.24 bayonets
• 900 vz. 37 heavy machine guns
• 500 vz. 27 pistols
• 12 ZK-383 submachine guns
• 10 ZK 420 semi-automatic rifles
• 500 vz. 26 light machine guns (shipped, yet delivery not confirmed in Czech sources)

Infantry ammunition

• 91,500,000 7.92×57mm Mauser cartridges
• 15,000,000 9mm Parabellum cartridges
• 375,000 13mm cartridges for MG 131
• 150,000 20mm cartridges for MG 151
• 375,000 7.65mm cartridges for vz. 27 pistol

Aircraft

Israeli Avia S-199, 1948

• 25 Avia S-199 fighters
• 61 Supermarine Spitfire Mk. IX fighters

Some of the aircraft were lost en route to Israel. The delivery of aircraft began on May 20, 1948, and was conducted from the Czech airfield near the town of Žatec. Some of Avia fighters were dismantled and flown to Israel in transport airplanes.[4]

Arms shipments from Czechoslovakia to Israel 1947–49 - Wikipedia

I read the article...paid for by Jews.

They would fight with fists, rocks, swords etc. without it?

 

[Indeependent]

You're really in Stupid Mode tonight...
The Jews got land, like many other nations after WWII, and only Jews supported the State of Israel.
And Israel kicked ass in 1967 without a dollar from anyone but Jews since 1948.

This proves you wrong, BTW, quite a bit of support for early Israel.

Who did what for Israel in 1948? America Did Nothing

Thanks for the Link that shows moral and diplomatic support...not financial support.
You're the man!

Total deliveries (confirmed until October 1948)
Infantry weapons

• 34,500 P-18 rifles
• 5,515 MG 34 machine guns with 10,000 ammo belts
• 10,000 vz.24 bayonets
• 900 vz. 37 heavy machine guns
• 500 vz. 27 pistols
• 12 ZK-383 submachine guns
• 10 ZK 420 semi-automatic rifles
• 500 vz. 26 light machine guns (shipped, yet delivery not confirmed in Czech sources)

Infantry ammunition

• 91,500,000 7.92×57mm Mauser cartridges
• 15,000,000 9mm Parabellum cartridges
• 375,000 13mm cartridges for MG 131
• 150,000 20mm cartridges for MG 151
• 375,000 7.65mm cartridges for vz. 27 pistol

Aircraft

Israeli Avia S-199, 1948

• 25 Avia S-199 fighters
• 61 Supermarine Spitfire Mk. IX fighters

Some of the aircraft were lost en route to Israel. The delivery of aircraft began on May 20, 1948, and was conducted from the Czech airfield near the town of Žatec. Some of Avia fighters were dismantled and flown to Israel in transport airplanes.[4]

Arms shipments from Czechoslovakia to Israel 1947–49 - Wikipedia

I read the article...paid for by Jews.

They would fight with fists, rocks, swords etc. without it?

Haven't you heard?
Christians love money.
Just like Jews.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

All the more reason to support Israel. She is a real nation. The OP doesn't ask about Palestine or compare Palestine. It asks why one would support Israel. Well, one should support Israel because one should support the right of peoples to self-determination, self-government and sovereignty.

Do you want to argue that we SHOULDN'T be supporting these things?

The European Jews would have done better to stay in their own countries and help the former Soviet Union and its satellite nations in Eastern Europe develop into democracies. They are a poison in the Middle East.

They're poison in the Middle-East, but not in Eastern-Europe?

Genrikh Yagoda, Lazar Kaganovich, Bela Kuhn, Jakub Berman, Matvei Berman, Leon Trotsky, Lenin, Roman Romkowski,Salomon Morel, Semion Mogilevich, Ludwig Fainberg, Marat Baragula...

You seem to believe all Jews supported the oppressive communist governments in European countries. I cannot express an opinion on that but you are missing my point.

Nope, but I do believe that the Soviet NKVD was more Jewish than Russian in the early - mid 1930's, as factual documentation supports that roughly 40% of the NKVD was Jewish, and roughly 35% were Russian, furthermore the founder, and head of the NKVD was a Jew Genrikh Yagoda.

You have just lost the argument. By making a distinction between [Russian] Jews and Russians, you are stating that Russian Jews are not Russians. If Russian Jews are not Russian then they must be some other nationality. Portuguese? Swedish? Irish, perhaps? Because if Russian Jews are none of these and belong to no nation then they ought to make a state for themselves. This is the argument or the creation if Israel. ... I take a different view.

Russian Jews were not Russian, in fact most of them hardly lived in Russia in the Pale of Settlement in places we'd call Poland, Ukraine, and Belarus, territories grabbed by the Russian Empire just a few hundred years ago.

Furthermore they were Yiddish speakers overwhelmingly, a very German based language, and unlike Russian Orthodoxy which has some Euro Pagan elements, they are Jewish believers.
no the genotype, and phenotype of Jews isn't Russian either, but rather more like people from Southern Europe on the whole.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

This Jew sure looks Slavic, sure.
WTF?
are people this retarded?
The Weiner guy clearly looks like people between Armenia, Lebanon, Italy, and Albania.
Most certainly could not pass as a White Slavic person from Poland, nor Russia, nor Ukraine etc.

 

[Eloy]

The European Jews would have done better to stay in their own countries and help the former Soviet Union and its satellite nations in Eastern Europe develop into democracies. They are a poison in the Middle East.

They're poison in the Middle-East, but not in Eastern-Europe?

Genrikh Yagoda, Lazar Kaganovich, Bela Kuhn, Jakub Berman, Matvei Berman, Leon Trotsky, Lenin, Roman Romkowski,Salomon Morel, Semion Mogilevich, Ludwig Fainberg, Marat Baragula...

You seem to believe all Jews supported the oppressive communist governments in European countries. I cannot express an opinion on that but you are missing my point.

Nope, but I do believe that the Soviet NKVD was more Jewish than Russian in the early - mid 1930's, as factual documentation supports that roughly 40% of the NKVD was Jewish, and roughly 35% were Russian, furthermore the founder, and head of the NKVD was a Jew Genrikh Yagoda.

You have just lost the argument. By making a distinction between [Russian] Jews and Russians, you are stating that Russian Jews are not Russians. If Russian Jews are not Russian then they must be some other nationality. Portuguese? Swedish? Irish, perhaps? Because if Russian Jews are none of these and belong to no nation then they ought to make a state for themselves. This is the argument or the creation if Israel. ... I take a different view.

Russian Jews were not Russian, in fact most of them hardly lived in Russia in the Pale of Settlement in places we'd call Poland, Ukraine, and Belarus, territories grabbed by the Russian Empire just a few hundred years ago.

Furthermore they were Yiddish speakers overwhelmingly, a very German based language, and unlike Russian Orthodoxy which has some Euro Pagan elements, they are Jewish believers.
no the genotype, and phenotype of Jews isn't Russian either, but rather more like people from Southern Europe on the whole.

You've lost the plot. Your racism mirrors that of Nazis and Zionists. You will not hear from me again.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

They're poison in the Middle-East, but not in Eastern-Europe?

Genrikh Yagoda, Lazar Kaganovich, Bela Kuhn, Jakub Berman, Matvei Berman, Leon Trotsky, Lenin, Roman Romkowski,Salomon Morel, Semion Mogilevich, Ludwig Fainberg, Marat Baragula...

You seem to believe all Jews supported the oppressive communist governments in European countries. I cannot express an opinion on that but you are missing my point.

Nope, but I do believe that the Soviet NKVD was more Jewish than Russian in the early - mid 1930's, as factual documentation supports that roughly 40% of the NKVD was Jewish, and roughly 35% were Russian, furthermore the founder, and head of the NKVD was a Jew Genrikh Yagoda.

You have just lost the argument. By making a distinction between [Russian] Jews and Russians, you are stating that Russian Jews are not Russians. If Russian Jews are not Russian then they must be some other nationality. Portuguese? Swedish? Irish, perhaps? Because if Russian Jews are none of these and belong to no nation then they ought to make a state for themselves. This is the argument or the creation if Israel. ... I take a different view.

Russian Jews were not Russian, in fact most of them hardly lived in Russia in the Pale of Settlement in places we'd call Poland, Ukraine, and Belarus, territories grabbed by the Russian Empire just a few hundred years ago.

Furthermore they were Yiddish speakers overwhelmingly, a very German based language, and unlike Russian Orthodoxy which has some Euro Pagan elements, they are Jewish believers.
no the genotype, and phenotype of Jews isn't Russian either, but rather more like people from Southern Europe on the whole.

You've lost the plot. Your racism mirrors that of Nazis and Zionists. You will not hear from me again.

So, we should allow the Jews to live in our lands, even though they're not like us?

Oh, it's fine for Palestinians to object to millions of Jews flooding their nation, but not Eastern Europeans.

Why don't you go take in millions of Jews into your country?

 

[Shusha]

All the more reason to support Israel. She is a real nation. The OP doesn't ask about Palestine or compare Palestine. It asks why one would support Israel. Well, one should support Israel because one should support the right of peoples to self-determination, self-government and sovereignty.

Do you want to argue that we SHOULDN'T be supporting these things?

So, Palestine is not a real nation?
Oh, because they're Arab,... Well, the last thing Israel should fight for is a singular Arab nation... No?

You keep trying to shift away from my basic point. Not going to work.

The question was why one would not support a nation which is the expression of a people's self-determination, self-government and sovereignty.

Why would you NOT support that?

It sounds like this applies strongly with Israel, but not with Palestine.
How come?

Really?! Did I start a thread asking why we should support Palestine?

So, you think Israel deserves more rights than Palestine?

I think they deserve the same rights. But again, I didn't start a thread questioning support for either.

 

[Lipush]

From the Lavon affair, to the U.S.S Liberty bombing, to Jonathan Pollard..... It just seems to be a one sided affair.... Especially considering support for Israel makes Muslims more angry at the U.S.

Can someone please tell us what's the purpose for us to support Israel?

Just because you read about Israel in the bible, or because they're Jewish.
Really?
as if those are logical explanations?

If you don't want to support Israel, go out on the street and protest, then.

Personally I pray for the day Israel will not need the US money and will not own anyone any favors.

 

[Lipush]

Because Israel is America's staunchest ally.

Suck it, Joo-haters!

Haha, good joke.

If true, why did Britain, Poland, Australia, and Spain fight in Iraq with the U.S, but not Israel?

Come to think about it, Which war did Israel fight with the U.S in?
I can't think of any?
Can you?

When did usa send troops to fight alongside Israel?

Did I miss anything?

 

[Lipush]

The difference is Israel has a real nation, Palestine does not...

All the more reason to support Israel. She is a real nation. The OP doesn't ask about Palestine or compare Palestine. It asks why one would support Israel. Well, one should support Israel because one should support the right of peoples to self-determination, self-government and sovereignty.

Do you want to argue that we SHOULDN'T be supporting these things?

The European Jews would have done better to stay in their own countries and help the former Soviet Union and its satellite nations in Eastern Europe develop into democracies. They are a poison in the Middle East.

They're poison in the Middle-East, but not in Eastern-Europe?

Genrikh Yagoda, Lazar Kaganovich, Bela Kuhn, Jakub Berman, Matvei Berman, Leon Trotsky, Lenin, Roman Romkowski,Salomon Morel, Semion Mogilevich, Ludwig Fainberg, Marat Baragula...

In response to the claim that European Jews have brought democracy and respect for the self determination to the Middle East, I disagreed, calling them a poison there and that if Jews were so concerned about democracy and national self determination, they should have worked for these principles in their own countries such as Moldova.

You seem to believe all Jews supported the oppressive communist governments in European countries. I cannot express an opinion on that but you are missing my point.

Europe is not home of the Jews.

The Jews have only one home, which others are determined to bring down.

It's really is THAT simple.

 

[Lipush]

And if left to their own devices all of those "consequences" would have been dealt with in 1948.

Yes, well without Colonialism, nor Racism being prevalent anymore in the West, I don't know how Israel would expect to gather support by leveling the Arabs.

You're really in Stupid Mode tonight...
The Jews got land, like many other nations after WWII, and only Jews supported the State of Israel.
And Israel kicked ass in 1967 without a dollar from anyone but Jews since 1948.

Yeah, well you stated that after 40 years we shouldn't support those without a country.

That's pretty ridiculous, considering how long Jews went without a country.

I don't get your stupid logic.
No matter where the Jews lived they never accepted welfare.
You're very good at doing your history work on Jewish murderers.
You suck at everything else Jew.
But please continue to embarrass yourself...with my help.

I think you're far too selfish, and stupid, to support those without nations.
You have come out already to say those without nations don't deserve support.
I've never once said Israel was supported, nor not supported, doofus, this is why no one likes you Jews, such selfish stupid prickly bastards.

Why do you think Jews ask for the support of Jew-haters? you're strange.

 

[rylah]

All the more reason to support Israel. She is a real nation. The OP doesn't ask about Palestine or compare Palestine. It asks why one would support Israel. Well, one should support Israel because one should support the right of peoples to self-determination, self-government and sovereignty.

Do you want to argue that we SHOULDN'T be supporting these things?

The European Jews would have done better to stay in their own countries and help the former Soviet Union and its satellite nations in Eastern Europe develop into democracies. They are a poison in the Middle East.

They're poison in the Middle-East, but not in Eastern-Europe?

Genrikh Yagoda, Lazar Kaganovich, Bela Kuhn, Jakub Berman, Matvei Berman, Leon Trotsky, Lenin, Roman Romkowski,Salomon Morel, Semion Mogilevich, Ludwig Fainberg, Marat Baragula...

You seem to believe all Jews supported the oppressive communist governments in European countries. I cannot express an opinion on that but you are missing my point.

Nope, but I do believe that the Soviet NKVD was more Jewish than Russian in the early - mid 1930's, as factual documentation supports that roughly 40% of the NKVD was Jewish, and roughly 35% were Russian, furthermore the founder, and head of the NKVD was a Jew Genrikh Yagoda.

You have just lost the argument. By making a distinction between [Russian] Jews and Russians, you are stating that Russian Jews are not Russians. If Russian Jews are not Russian then they must be some other nationality. Portuguese? Swedish? Irish, perhaps? Because if Russian Jews are none of these and belong to no nation then they ought to make a state for themselves. This is the argument or the creation if Israel. ... I take a different view.

Please check how many different nationalities live in Russia and are officially recognized, before spouting any further bs on the subject.
Xenophobia.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

From the Lavon affair, to the U.S.S Liberty bombing, to Jonathan Pollard..... It just seems to be a one sided affair.... Especially considering support for Israel makes Muslims more angry at the U.S.

Can someone please tell us what's the purpose for us to support Israel?

Just because you read about Israel in the bible, or because they're Jewish.
Really?
as if those are logical explanations?

If you don't want to support Israel, go out on the street and protest, then.

Personally I pray for the day Israel will not need the US money and will not own anyone any favors.

Well, Israel has a funny way of saying "Thanks"

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Yes, well without Colonialism, nor Racism being prevalent anymore in the West, I don't know how Israel would expect to gather support by leveling the Arabs.

You're really in Stupid Mode tonight...
The Jews got land, like many other nations after WWII, and only Jews supported the State of Israel.
And Israel kicked ass in 1967 without a dollar from anyone but Jews since 1948.

Yeah, well you stated that after 40 years we shouldn't support those without a country.

That's pretty ridiculous, considering how long Jews went without a country.

I don't get your stupid logic.
No matter where the Jews lived they never accepted welfare.
You're very good at doing your history work on Jewish murderers.
You suck at everything else Jew.
But please continue to embarrass yourself...with my help.

I think you're far too selfish, and stupid, to support those without nations.
You have come out already to say those without nations don't deserve support.
I've never once said Israel was supported, nor not supported, doofus, this is why no one likes you Jews, such selfish stupid prickly bastards.

Why do you think Jews ask for the support of Jew-haters? you're strange.

Have the Jews shown gratitude to anyone?
Not even the more friendly nations to the Jews like Poland, or U.S. haven't really gotten anything but BS in response from Jews.

 

[Lipush]

From the Lavon affair, to the U.S.S Liberty bombing, to Jonathan Pollard..... It just seems to be a one sided affair.... Especially considering support for Israel makes Muslims more angry at the U.S.

Can someone please tell us what's the purpose for us to support Israel?

Just because you read about Israel in the bible, or because they're Jewish.
Really?
as if those are logical explanations?

If you don't want to support Israel, go out on the street and protest, then.

Personally I pray for the day Israel will not need the US money and will not own anyone any favors.

Well, Israel has a funny way of saying "Thanks"

It's all a matter of interest.

 

[Lipush]

You're really in Stupid Mode tonight...
The Jews got land, like many other nations after WWII, and only Jews supported the State of Israel.
And Israel kicked ass in 1967 without a dollar from anyone but Jews since 1948.

Yeah, well you stated that after 40 years we shouldn't support those without a country.

That's pretty ridiculous, considering how long Jews went without a country.

I don't get your stupid logic.
No matter where the Jews lived they never accepted welfare.
You're very good at doing your history work on Jewish murderers.
You suck at everything else Jew.
But please continue to embarrass yourself...with my help.

I think you're far too selfish, and stupid, to support those without nations.
You have come out already to say those without nations don't deserve support.
I've never once said Israel was supported, nor not supported, doofus, this is why no one likes you Jews, such selfish stupid prickly bastards.

Why do you think Jews ask for the support of Jew-haters? you're strange.

Have the Jews shown gratitude to anyone?
Not even the more friendly nations to the Jews like Poland, or U.S. haven't really gotten anything but BS in response from Jews.

What kind of gratitude do you expect to receive?

You're confusing.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Yeah, well you stated that after 40 years we shouldn't support those without a country.

That's pretty ridiculous, considering how long Jews went without a country.

I don't get your stupid logic.
No matter where the Jews lived they never accepted welfare.
You're very good at doing your history work on Jewish murderers.
You suck at everything else Jew.
But please continue to embarrass yourself...with my help.

I think you're far too selfish, and stupid, to support those without nations.
You have come out already to say those without nations don't deserve support.
I've never once said Israel was supported, nor not supported, doofus, this is why no one likes you Jews, such selfish stupid prickly bastards.

Why do you think Jews ask for the support of Jew-haters? you're strange.

Have the Jews shown gratitude to anyone?
Not even the more friendly nations to the Jews like Poland, or U.S. haven't really gotten anything but BS in response from Jews.

What kind of gratitude do you expect to receive?

You're confusing.

Which countries did more for Jews than Poland, or the U.S?

Neither country I would say is treated particularly well by Jews.

 

[BulletProof]

Because Israel is America's staunchest ally.

Like when Israel shared their 9/11 intel with us?

Congratulations. It's possible that you've said the dumbest hing ever said on USMB.