Why Socialism would be very difficult to adopt in the U.S.

[bripat9643]

Socialist ideals help the middle class prosper.

Wrong. Socialism is keeping the middle class down.

They why do socialist countries like Canada, the Netherlands, Germany, Switzerland, Sweden, Finland, Norway, etc., have such thriving middle classes? Social democracy is the most successful form of government and produces societies with better income for all. People are happier, healthier, better educated, and they live longer than Americans.

Without a thriving middle class, there is no one to purchase the goods and services the corporations are selling, and every year the American middle class is losing ground, as more and more wealth gets funneled upwards.

Those countries are all welfare states like the United States.

 

[francoHFW]

Communism is socialism, numskull, and what you call "socialism" is more accurately called the welfare state.

PERFECT example of the uneducated masses' concepts.

Dupes of GOP media/propaganda. And Cold War dinosaurs.

 

[Preacher]

Of course, there are many reasons why socialism is an anathema for many Americans....mostly in the right wing political sphere.

First, we are a nation that spews the rhetoric that we "love peace", but the reality is that we are neo-colonists (the euphemistic term for regime changers) we spend an inordinate amount of tax dollars on defense/offense (just listen to Carly Fiorina's speeches) and any country that has succeeded with socialism seldom indulges in war.

Second, we are so multicultural and multi-ethnical that most middle class (and poorer class) white skinned folks openly state, "I will NEVER be willing to give my hard earned money to those mooching darkies.)

But most of all, we could never easily become "socialists" (although many morons on the right think that Obama has already made us such)...because the term is hugely misunderstood by the uneducated masses who would willingly pay huge amounts of money to some private entity for a particular service, and bitch and moan when taxed by the federal government for that same service.

Your second reason is the only reason it wouldn't work.To many hard working whites having to many parasites sucking all the blood from them to pay for it. Now if it was a nation like its SUPPOSED TO BE then yes it can work easily.

 

[Preacher]

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[nat4900]

What difference does that make? When has anyone ever voted to allow the state to confiscate their property?

Eminent Domain
The power to take private property for public use by a state, municipality, or private person or corporation authorized to exercise functions of public character, following the payment of just compensation to the owner of that property.

Federal, state, and local governments may take private property through their power of eminent domain or may regulate it by exercising their police power. The FIFTH Amendment to the U.S. Constitution requires the government to provide just compensation to the owner of the private property to be taken.

 

[nat4900]

You know why socialism will not be "adopted", dumbass? It is because it would contravene the U.S. Constitution and, therefore, be fucking illegal.

Put the fucking bong down, asshole!!!!!

Another reasons why socialism cannot be adopted in this country???

Its because there are too many of moronic Buzzes around that have a 5th grade education but still vote for tea baggers.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Yep, the meanings and applications of various words change over time, socialism isn't what it used to be, it is now applied differently. The red scare still affects the idiots though.

What you mean is that commie scumbags like you are trying to change socialism's image by lying about it.

Socialism is always democratic, communism NEVER. Try and figure that out, hater dupe.

Communism and social are always voted in. And the only way to get rid of it is war.

Socialism always voted in, communism never.

It's never been voted in. All that's ever been voted on is the welfare state. Socialism requires the government to confiscate all productive enterprises, and that's when the shooting always starts.

Actually it usually is voted in in steps leading up to the ultimate power grab which by then is too late. I would have to correct myself there. Voting for a dictator doesn't happen but they use thee system to work themselves in to the point they can just take over and fuck you we are dictating the shit out of you.

 

[francoHFW]

If you don't want it or decide it's not worth it then you shouldn't be taxed to provide it.

that reminds me of public skoolzs, why should i have to pay for someone else's brats to be indoctrinated in todays socialist union dominated public skoolz ??

Jeebus you people are nuts...Sanitary is all they are. COLLEGE you might have a point. Well informed, non-greedy people are Dems.

 

[Dragonlady]

It's never been voted in. All that's ever been voted on is the welfare state. Socialism requires the government to confiscate all productive enterprises, and that's when the shooting always starts.

Completely false. Socialist countries are a mix of private enterprise, publically traded corporations, and government management or regulation of some sectors (usually energy, transportation and banking). Canada has publically owned energy companies, the Canadian National Railroad, and Air Canada, but the banks are publically traded corporations, but well regulated. In the Middle East, the government controls the oil.

You really should study how socialism works before making blanket statements which show how woefully lacking your education has been.

 

[bripat9643]

What difference does that make? When has anyone ever voted to allow the state to confiscate their property?

Eminent Domain
The power to take private property for public use by a state, municipality, or private person or corporation authorized to exercise functions of public character, following the payment of just compensation to the owner of that property.

Federal, state, and local governments may take private property through their power of eminent domain or may regulate it by exercising their police power. The FIFTH Amendment to the U.S. Constitution requires the government to provide just compensation to the owner of the private property to be taken.

When the government confiscates all productive enterprises, it isn't going to pay "just compensation." It couldn't possibly pay the owners a fair price for their property. And under eminent domain the people vote to let the state take someone else's property, not their own. The conversion to socialism would require the state to take control of all businesses and all farms. That is never going to be accomplished without bloodshed.

 

[bripat9643]

It's never been voted in. All that's ever been voted on is the welfare state. Socialism requires the government to confiscate all productive enterprises, and that's when the shooting always starts.

Completely false. Socialist countries are a mix of private enterprise, publically traded corporations, and government management or regulation of some sectors (usually energy, transportation and banking). Canada has publically owned energy companies, the Canadian National Railroad, and Air Canada, but the banks are publically traded corporations, but well regulated. In the Middle East, the government controls the oil.

You really should study how socialism works before making blanket statements which show how woefully lacking your education has been.

Those are welfare states. Why is it that these so-called "successful socialist countries" always have large amounts of capitalism? The answer is that capitalism is the only thing that allows them to continue functioning.

 

[francoHFW]

Socialist ideals help the middle class prosper.

Wrong. Socialism is keeping the middle class down.

They why do socialist countries like Canada, the Netherlands, Germany, Switzerland, Sweden, Finland, Norway, etc., have such thriving middle classes? Social democracy is the most successful form of government and produces societies with better income for all. People are happier, healthier, better educated, and they live longer than Americans.

Without a thriving middle class, there is no one to purchase the goods and services the corporations are selling, and every year the American middle class is losing ground, as more and more wealth gets funneled upwards.

Those countries are all welfare states like the United States.

Check. We are a welfare (socialist) state, just totally pandering to the rich because of our sillly voters. see sig, last line.

 

[nat4900]

So you're on my side then. You shouldn't be paying taxes to lower the cost (subsidize) something you don't want. Socialism is screwing you to the tune of several million hamburgers a year. Then again my taxes are subsidizing your veggie soup but it all become a giant cluster of shit that we should just eliminate. If carrots get to expensive you can't have any. If beef ribs get too expensive I can find something else to eat as well. Pay market price for your own choices.

My point was (and is) that we are already functioning in a socialistic manner; however, the term "socialism" scares the hell out of right wingers because they're mostly uneducated and revert to silly statements, such as :

It never works
Its taking my money to give to others
I don't want to be a commie.....
.....and such other "pearls of wisdom"

 

[Missouri_Mike]

If you don't want it or decide it's not worth it then you shouldn't be taxed to provide it.

that reminds me of public skoolzs, why should i have to pay for someone else's brats to be indoctrinated in todays socialist union dominated public skoolz ??

I actually don't mind paying a little in for schools. Not public ones but preschool through 12th as long as the money goes not to teacher unions but the actual students school of choice. Reduce the department of education to a handful of people that simply hand out the vouchers for kids schooling. From there the parents pick a school and hand them the voucher to be cashed.

 

[francoHFW]

What difference does that make? When has anyone ever voted to allow the state to confiscate their property?

Eminent Domain
The power to take private property for public use by a state, municipality, or private person or corporation authorized to exercise functions of public character, following the payment of just compensation to the owner of that property.

Federal, state, and local governments may take private property through their power of eminent domain or may regulate it by exercising their police power. The FIFTH Amendment to the U.S. Constitution requires the government to provide just compensation to the owner of the private property to be taken.

Yup, totally fear mongered and misinformed. That can only happen with communist revolution and totalitarianism.

When the government confiscates all productive enterprises, it isn't going to pay "just compensation." And the people vote to let the state take someone else's property, not their own. The conversion to socialism would require the state to take control of all businesses and all farms. That is never going to be accomplished without bloodshed.

 

[nat4900]

Those are welfare states. Why is it that these so-called "successful socialist countries" always have large amounts of capitalism? The answer is that capitalism is the only thing that allows them to continue functioning.

No, nitwit......those countries are practicing DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISM.

 

[francoHFW]

If you don't want it or decide it's not worth it then you shouldn't be taxed to provide it.

that reminds me of public skoolzs, why should i have to pay for someone else's brats to be indoctrinated in todays socialist union dominated public skoolz ??

I actually don't mind paying a little in for schools. Not public ones but preschool through 12th as long as the money goes not to teacher unions but the actual students school of choice. Reduce the department of education to a handful of people that simply hand out the vouchers for kids schooling. From there the parents pick a school and hand them the voucher to be cashed.

Christ, that's what we had before 100 years of reform. Smaller classes are what are needed in "Bad" schools.

 

[francoHFW]

Those are welfare states. Why is it that these so-called "successful socialist countries" always have large amounts of capitalism? The answer is that capitalism is the only thing that allows them to continue functioning.

No, nitwit......those countries are practicing DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISM.

THEY DON"T KNOW WHAT SOCIALISM IS. ARRRGH.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

So you're on my side then. You shouldn't be paying taxes to lower the cost (subsidize) something you don't want. Socialism is screwing you to the tune of several million hamburgers a year. Then again my taxes are subsidizing your veggie soup but it all become a giant cluster of shit that we should just eliminate. If carrots get to expensive you can't have any. If beef ribs get too expensive I can find something else to eat as well. Pay market price for your own choices.

My point was (and is) that we are already functioning in a socialistic manner; however, the term "socialism" scares the hell out of right wingers because they're mostly uneducated and revert to silly statements, such as :

It never works
Its taking my money to give to others
I don't want to be a commie.....
.....and such other "pearls of wisdom"

And my point is you're right, we are functioning in that manner, and it's not working. The solution sure as hell isn't more of it. Because it never works. You already complained about beef subsidies. I don't want any subsidies. It is taking my money and yours for someone else, no I don't want to progress further to being a commie. So there's your pearls of wisdom.

 

[Yarddog]

Of course, there are many reasons why socialism is an anathema for many Americans....mostly in the right wing political sphere.

First, we are a nation that spews the rhetoric that we "love peace", but the reality is that we are neo-colonists (the euphemistic term for regime changers) we spend an inordinate amount of tax dollars on defense/offense (just listen to Carly Fiorina's speeches) and any country that has succeeded with socialism seldom indulges in war.

Second, we are so multicultural and multi-ethnical that most middle class (and poorer class) white skinned folks openly state, "I will NEVER be willing to give my hard earned money to those mooching darkies.)

But most of all, we could never easily become "socialists" (although many morons on the right think that Obama has already made us such)...because the term is hugely misunderstood by the uneducated masses who would willingly pay huge amounts of money to some private entity for a particular service, and bitch and moan when taxed by the federal government for that same service.

Because socialists are control freaks. they forget they're people like everyone else. They will make sure its FAIR for everyone