Why Shouldn't Police Be Allowed To Kill Suspects Who Don't Comply?

[Ray From Cleveland]

Tell me why the police should not be subject to accountability when they use excessive force or make an illegal arrest.

As for that 99%. I do not think that is accurate. However. Let’s pretend it is. The police kill about a thousand people a year. In killings alone that means ten people are murdered every year by police according to your statistic.

Hundreds of searches are conducted improperly. Or illegally if you prefer. Thousands of arrests are illegal. Oh and let’s not forget the tens of thousands of illegal traffic citations.

Which is bullshit. If somebody gets a traffic violation, they have the ability to prove their innocence in court. Every police officer shooting is thoroughly investigated by seniors of that force and outside authorities. If the officer is found to have acted illegally, he or she is held accountable. So what we are talking about here is a fraction of 1%.

Anybody who is falsely arrested has the legal ability to sue the city or state of the officer that made the illegal arrest. You watch too much television and think it's reality. Arresting a subject is a pain in the ass for police officers so they try to avoid it. They have to bring the person in, fill out a bunch of paperwork, fill out a report, then have to take the time to attend court for the suspects hearing in case the officers testimony is needed for the court proceedings, or the judge wishes to ask the officer questions before the trial starts.

 

[monkrules]

https://www.wwltv.com/article/news/crime/video-shows-deadly-arrest-of-ronald-greene-by-louisiana-state-police/289-af6224ab-e8a2-451c-b52f-a862325ab4df

"Louisiana state troopers were captured on body camera video stunning, punching and dragging a Black man as he apologized for leading them on a high-speed chase -- footage of the man’s last moments alive that The Associated Press obtained after authorities refused to release it for two years.

Troopers initially told Greene’s family he died on impact after crashing into a tree during the chase. Only now in the footage obtained by the AP from one trooper's body camera can the public see for the first time some of what happened during the arrest. State Police brass initially argued the troopers’ use of force was justified — “awful but lawful,” as ranking officials described it — and did not open an administrative investigation until 474 days after Greene’s death."

Yea, I know it may look bad for the police to repeatedly lie and file false reports; but none of this would have ever been known about if it wasn't for some meddling emergency room doctor noticing the dead guy still had the taser prongs stuck in his back -- after being told he died from a car crash. But the only person to blame for this is Green himself; he shouldn't have fled and took police on a high-speed chase..and for what? a traffic violation?

The question still remains however; why shouldn't cops be allowed to kill suspects who try to run away or don't follow police orders?? If the police tells you to stop, you stop...if you don't, you die...that simple....Now because of this; the lives of at least 2 officers have been destroyed. The officer who was bragging about choking and beating Mr. Greene and making him spit blood everywhere; that guy was fired for his involvement in this case; and later died hours after finding out he was fired (due to a single vehicle highway crash with karma). The other officer was later arrested for his connection to another police beating -- but as I said; none of this would have happened if we simply made it perfectly legal for cops to kill whoever tries to flee from police or doesn't comply with their orders.

Police should not exist at all, as there really is no legal authority by which they can be created.
All police are criminal because of the illegal legislation they enforce, like Prohibition, the war on drugs, asset forfeiture, no-knock warrants, 3 strikes law, etc.
We need to get rid of all police, now.

No, we need to get rid of the worthless, whining pieces of garbage who spend their worthless lives rioting, stealing, and trying to destroy this great country.
It"s time to throw out the garbage.

 

[Superbadbrutha]

https://www.wwltv.com/article/news/crime/video-shows-deadly-arrest-of-ronald-greene-by-louisiana-state-police/289-af6224ab-e8a2-451c-b52f-a862325ab4df

"Louisiana state troopers were captured on body camera video stunning, punching and dragging a Black man as he apologized for leading them on a high-speed chase -- footage of the man’s last moments alive that The Associated Press obtained after authorities refused to release it for two years.

Troopers initially told Greene’s family he died on impact after crashing into a tree during the chase. Only now in the footage obtained by the AP from one trooper's body camera can the public see for the first time some of what happened during the arrest. State Police brass initially argued the troopers’ use of force was justified — “awful but lawful,” as ranking officials described it — and did not open an administrative investigation until 474 days after Greene’s death."

Yea, I know it may look bad for the police to repeatedly lie and file false reports; but none of this would have ever been known about if it wasn't for some meddling emergency room doctor noticing the dead guy still had the taser prongs stuck in his back -- after being told he died from a car crash. But the only person to blame for this is Green himself; he shouldn't have fled and took police on a high-speed chase..and for what? a traffic violation?

The question still remains however; why shouldn't cops be allowed to kill suspects who try to run away or don't follow police orders?? If the police tells you to stop, you stop...if you don't, you die...that simple....Now because of this; the lives of at least 2 officers have been destroyed. The officer who was bragging about choking and beating Mr. Greene and making him spit blood everywhere; that guy was fired for his involvement in this case; and later died hours after finding out he was fired (due to a single vehicle highway crash with karma). The other officer was later arrested for his connection to another police beating -- but as I said; none of this would have happened if we simply made it perfectly legal for cops to kill whoever tries to flee from police or doesn't comply with their orders.

Despite repeated attempts by leftist to turn the Executive Branch in one centralized power...we haven't done that in this country. Police are not judges, and juries they don't get to decide guilt and then punishment. So that's why.

They have when it comes to black folks, they operate in any manner that they want to.

Certainly, there are cases in which a police officer can use deadly force, such as when a suspect threatens their lives, or the lives of the public...such as in a high speed chase. However, it appears in this case, the threat was no longer there, as the suspect was caught. Those involved seem to be getting what they deserved.

A 50 hour suspension.

This is one of the main reasons we need police reform in this country.

 

[struth]

https://www.wwltv.com/article/news/crime/video-shows-deadly-arrest-of-ronald-greene-by-louisiana-state-police/289-af6224ab-e8a2-451c-b52f-a862325ab4df

"Louisiana state troopers were captured on body camera video stunning, punching and dragging a Black man as he apologized for leading them on a high-speed chase -- footage of the man’s last moments alive that The Associated Press obtained after authorities refused to release it for two years.

Troopers initially told Greene’s family he died on impact after crashing into a tree during the chase. Only now in the footage obtained by the AP from one trooper's body camera can the public see for the first time some of what happened during the arrest. State Police brass initially argued the troopers’ use of force was justified — “awful but lawful,” as ranking officials described it — and did not open an administrative investigation until 474 days after Greene’s death."

Yea, I know it may look bad for the police to repeatedly lie and file false reports; but none of this would have ever been known about if it wasn't for some meddling emergency room doctor noticing the dead guy still had the taser prongs stuck in his back -- after being told he died from a car crash. But the only person to blame for this is Green himself; he shouldn't have fled and took police on a high-speed chase..and for what? a traffic violation?

The question still remains however; why shouldn't cops be allowed to kill suspects who try to run away or don't follow police orders?? If the police tells you to stop, you stop...if you don't, you die...that simple....Now because of this; the lives of at least 2 officers have been destroyed. The officer who was bragging about choking and beating Mr. Greene and making him spit blood everywhere; that guy was fired for his involvement in this case; and later died hours after finding out he was fired (due to a single vehicle highway crash with karma). The other officer was later arrested for his connection to another police beating -- but as I said; none of this would have happened if we simply made it perfectly legal for cops to kill whoever tries to flee from police or doesn't comply with their orders.

Despite repeated attempts by leftist to turn the Executive Branch in one centralized power...we haven't done that in this country. Police are not judges, and juries they don't get to decide guilt and then punishment. So that's why.

They have when it comes to black folks, they operate in any manner that they want to.

Certainly, there are cases in which a police officer can use deadly force, such as when a suspect threatens their lives, or the lives of the public...such as in a high speed chase. However, it appears in this case, the threat was no longer there, as the suspect was caught. Those involved seem to be getting what they deserved.

A 50 hour suspension.

This is one of the main reasons we need police reform in this country.

we do...but the dems blocked even discussing it in 2020...that’s why we see dem run executives behaving this way

 

[Superbadbrutha]

Tell me why the police should not be subject to accountability when they use excessive force or make an illegal arrest.

As for that 99%. I do not think that is accurate. However. Let’s pretend it is. The police kill about a thousand people a year. In killings alone that means ten people are murdered every year by police according to your statistic.

Hundreds of searches are conducted improperly. Or illegally if you prefer. Thousands of arrests are illegal. Oh and let’s not forget the tens of thousands of illegal traffic citations.

Which is bullshit. If somebody gets a traffic violation, they have the ability to prove their innocence in court. Every police officer shooting is thoroughly investigated by seniors of that force and outside authorities. If the officer is found to have acted illegally, he or she is held accountable. So what we are talking about here is a fraction of 1%.

The folks who are thoroughly investigating these incidents are part of the problem and are the main ones who look the other way.

Anybody who is falsely arrested has the legal ability to sue the city or state of the officer that made the illegal arrest.

The taxpayers foot the bill for it and the police who violate or break the law continue on with no consequences.

You watch too much television and think it's reality. Arresting a subject is a pain in the ass for police officers so they try to avoid it. They have to bring the person in, fill out a bunch of paperwork, fill out a report, then have to take the time to attend court for the suspects hearing in case the officers testimony is needed for the court proceedings, or the judge wishes to ask the officer questions before the trial starts.

I beat Chauvin wishes he would have just made the arrest and filled out the paperwork.

 

[Superbadbrutha]

https://www.wwltv.com/article/news/crime/video-shows-deadly-arrest-of-ronald-greene-by-louisiana-state-police/289-af6224ab-e8a2-451c-b52f-a862325ab4df

"Louisiana state troopers were captured on body camera video stunning, punching and dragging a Black man as he apologized for leading them on a high-speed chase -- footage of the man’s last moments alive that The Associated Press obtained after authorities refused to release it for two years.

Troopers initially told Greene’s family he died on impact after crashing into a tree during the chase. Only now in the footage obtained by the AP from one trooper's body camera can the public see for the first time some of what happened during the arrest. State Police brass initially argued the troopers’ use of force was justified — “awful but lawful,” as ranking officials described it — and did not open an administrative investigation until 474 days after Greene’s death."

Yea, I know it may look bad for the police to repeatedly lie and file false reports; but none of this would have ever been known about if it wasn't for some meddling emergency room doctor noticing the dead guy still had the taser prongs stuck in his back -- after being told he died from a car crash. But the only person to blame for this is Green himself; he shouldn't have fled and took police on a high-speed chase..and for what? a traffic violation?

The question still remains however; why shouldn't cops be allowed to kill suspects who try to run away or don't follow police orders?? If the police tells you to stop, you stop...if you don't, you die...that simple....Now because of this; the lives of at least 2 officers have been destroyed. The officer who was bragging about choking and beating Mr. Greene and making him spit blood everywhere; that guy was fired for his involvement in this case; and later died hours after finding out he was fired (due to a single vehicle highway crash with karma). The other officer was later arrested for his connection to another police beating -- but as I said; none of this would have happened if we simply made it perfectly legal for cops to kill whoever tries to flee from police or doesn't comply with their orders.

Despite repeated attempts by leftist to turn the Executive Branch in one centralized power...we haven't done that in this country. Police are not judges, and juries they don't get to decide guilt and then punishment. So that's why.

They have when it comes to black folks, they operate in any manner that they want to.

Certainly, there are cases in which a police officer can use deadly force, such as when a suspect threatens their lives, or the lives of the public...such as in a high speed chase. However, it appears in this case, the threat was no longer there, as the suspect was caught. Those involved seem to be getting what they deserved.

A 50 hour suspension.

This is one of the main reasons we need police reform in this country.

we do...but the dems blocked even discussing it in 2020...that’s why we see dem run executives behaving this way

The time for discussing it is over, we have been discussing it for over 100yrs. The time is here to put it into action and that Republican bill that was served up by Tim Scott was nothing but bullshit.

 

[struth]

https://www.wwltv.com/article/news/crime/video-shows-deadly-arrest-of-ronald-greene-by-louisiana-state-police/289-af6224ab-e8a2-451c-b52f-a862325ab4df

"Louisiana state troopers were captured on body camera video stunning, punching and dragging a Black man as he apologized for leading them on a high-speed chase -- footage of the man’s last moments alive that The Associated Press obtained after authorities refused to release it for two years.

Troopers initially told Greene’s family he died on impact after crashing into a tree during the chase. Only now in the footage obtained by the AP from one trooper's body camera can the public see for the first time some of what happened during the arrest. State Police brass initially argued the troopers’ use of force was justified — “awful but lawful,” as ranking officials described it — and did not open an administrative investigation until 474 days after Greene’s death."

Yea, I know it may look bad for the police to repeatedly lie and file false reports; but none of this would have ever been known about if it wasn't for some meddling emergency room doctor noticing the dead guy still had the taser prongs stuck in his back -- after being told he died from a car crash. But the only person to blame for this is Green himself; he shouldn't have fled and took police on a high-speed chase..and for what? a traffic violation?

The question still remains however; why shouldn't cops be allowed to kill suspects who try to run away or don't follow police orders?? If the police tells you to stop, you stop...if you don't, you die...that simple....Now because of this; the lives of at least 2 officers have been destroyed. The officer who was bragging about choking and beating Mr. Greene and making him spit blood everywhere; that guy was fired for his involvement in this case; and later died hours after finding out he was fired (due to a single vehicle highway crash with karma). The other officer was later arrested for his connection to another police beating -- but as I said; none of this would have happened if we simply made it perfectly legal for cops to kill whoever tries to flee from police or doesn't comply with their orders.

Despite repeated attempts by leftist to turn the Executive Branch in one centralized power...we haven't done that in this country. Police are not judges, and juries they don't get to decide guilt and then punishment. So that's why.

They have when it comes to black folks, they operate in any manner that they want to.

Certainly, there are cases in which a police officer can use deadly force, such as when a suspect threatens their lives, or the lives of the public...such as in a high speed chase. However, it appears in this case, the threat was no longer there, as the suspect was caught. Those involved seem to be getting what they deserved.

A 50 hour suspension.

This is one of the main reasons we need police reform in this country.

we do...but the dems blocked even discussing it in 2020...that’s why we see dem run executives behaving this way

The time for discussing it is over, we have been discussing it for over 100yrs. The time is here to put it into action and that Republican bill that was served up by Tim Scott was nothing but bullshit.

don’t we have to discuss what to reform and put in the law?

 

[emilynghiem]

https://www.wwltv.com/article/news/crime/video-shows-deadly-arrest-of-ronald-greene-by-louisiana-state-police/289-af6224ab-e8a2-451c-b52f-a862325ab4df

"Louisiana state troopers were captured on body camera video stunning, punching and dragging a Black man as he apologized for leading them on a high-speed chase -- footage of the man’s last moments alive that The Associated Press obtained after authorities refused to release it for two years.

Troopers initially told Greene’s family he died on impact after crashing into a tree during the chase. Only now in the footage obtained by the AP from one trooper's body camera can the public see for the first time some of what happened during the arrest. State Police brass initially argued the troopers’ use of force was justified — “awful but lawful,” as ranking officials described it — and did not open an administrative investigation until 474 days after Greene’s death."

Yea, I know it may look bad for the police to repeatedly lie and file false reports; but none of this would have ever been known about if it wasn't for some meddling emergency room doctor noticing the dead guy still had the taser prongs stuck in his back -- after being told he died from a car crash. But the only person to blame for this is Green himself; he shouldn't have fled and took police on a high-speed chase..and for what? a traffic violation?

The question still remains however; why shouldn't cops be allowed to kill suspects who try to run away or don't follow police orders?? If the police tells you to stop, you stop...if you don't, you die...that simple....Now because of this; the lives of at least 2 officers have been destroyed. The officer who was bragging about choking and beating Mr. Greene and making him spit blood everywhere; that guy was fired for his involvement in this case; and later died hours after finding out he was fired (due to a single vehicle highway crash with karma). The other officer was later arrested for his connection to another police beating -- but as I said; none of this would have happened if we simply made it perfectly legal for cops to kill whoever tries to flee from police or doesn't comply with their orders.

???
Sure I can understand using deadly force when the suspect threatens deadly force.

But running and not complying can be caused by other factors without any deadly threat or intent.

The best way I can suggest to prevent this is for community members to agree to go through the same screening, training and oath to uphold laws that police and military are required to follow.

That way, any mental or criminal issues that might cause a person to resist, react or refuse to comply can be diagnosed and treated, managed or even cured in advance. If police and community members know each other, and agree who is a threat or not, we can solve those problems in advance.

Right now the political focus is on weeding out the corrupt or abusive dangerous police. When we agree to also weed out dangerous civilians hiding behind law abiding citizens, then we have a fair process and can address and resolve the true causes of criminal abuse and addictions, violations and violence.

 

[Burgermeister]

Started going downhill went they took away the billy clubs. Law and order gets a little more serious when you see this.

 

[Batcat]

Before I retired I worked with a black man who told me an interesting story. When he was a younger man he and another guy were in the process of breaking the law when the cops showed up. So they ran.

My co-worker ran faster then his pal so he escaped. His pal went to jail and my co-worker was never caught. He was able to get a good paying job that required a government security clearance with his spotless record and he even got a pension when he retired. His pal faced a much harder life.

I’m not sure what the moral of this story should be but it does support the wisdom of those who suggest there should be an Eleventh Commandment, “Thou shalt not get caught.”

In passing, my black co-worker was a very religious man who was deeply involved in Bible study and occasionally gave a sermon in his church.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

The folks who are thoroughly investigating these incidents are part of the problem and are the main ones who look the other way.

And you write that with what evidence? Zero? That's what I thought you said.

The fact of the matter is various agencies and departments are not colluding with one another to save a cops ass. Many of these people don't even know each other, therefore don't even know who they can trust even if they did want to conspire. The forensic scientist is not working with the Chief. The coroner is not working with the detectives. The autopsy doctor is not working with the Sheriff or state patrol. It would be an almost impossible conspiracy to create because all of their reports must line up with each other, and nobody is going to risk their job over a cop don't even know.

The taxpayers foot the bill for it and the police who violate or break the law continue on with no consequences.

And you know that how? Do you have an example? Even if you could find a case, you don't know what goes on behind closed doors. Just because an officer is not fired on the spot doesn't mean any disciplinary actions were not taken against him or her.

I bet Chauvin wishes he would have just made the arrest and filled out the paperwork.

I bet he wishes he never became a cop given the environment. I guess that's why police officers are leaving the police departments in commie cities in droves. They believe Satan has won the ware and are getting the hell out of there, probably to find a job in a nice white area where they won't have to experience these problems.

 

[Superbadbrutha]

https://www.wwltv.com/article/news/crime/video-shows-deadly-arrest-of-ronald-greene-by-louisiana-state-police/289-af6224ab-e8a2-451c-b52f-a862325ab4df

"Louisiana state troopers were captured on body camera video stunning, punching and dragging a Black man as he apologized for leading them on a high-speed chase -- footage of the man’s last moments alive that The Associated Press obtained after authorities refused to release it for two years.

Troopers initially told Greene’s family he died on impact after crashing into a tree during the chase. Only now in the footage obtained by the AP from one trooper's body camera can the public see for the first time some of what happened during the arrest. State Police brass initially argued the troopers’ use of force was justified — “awful but lawful,” as ranking officials described it — and did not open an administrative investigation until 474 days after Greene’s death."

Yea, I know it may look bad for the police to repeatedly lie and file false reports; but none of this would have ever been known about if it wasn't for some meddling emergency room doctor noticing the dead guy still had the taser prongs stuck in his back -- after being told he died from a car crash. But the only person to blame for this is Green himself; he shouldn't have fled and took police on a high-speed chase..and for what? a traffic violation?

The question still remains however; why shouldn't cops be allowed to kill suspects who try to run away or don't follow police orders?? If the police tells you to stop, you stop...if you don't, you die...that simple....Now because of this; the lives of at least 2 officers have been destroyed. The officer who was bragging about choking and beating Mr. Greene and making him spit blood everywhere; that guy was fired for his involvement in this case; and later died hours after finding out he was fired (due to a single vehicle highway crash with karma). The other officer was later arrested for his connection to another police beating -- but as I said; none of this would have happened if we simply made it perfectly legal for cops to kill whoever tries to flee from police or doesn't comply with their orders.

Despite repeated attempts by leftist to turn the Executive Branch in one centralized power...we haven't done that in this country. Police are not judges, and juries they don't get to decide guilt and then punishment. So that's why.

They have when it comes to black folks, they operate in any manner that they want to.

Certainly, there are cases in which a police officer can use deadly force, such as when a suspect threatens their lives, or the lives of the public...such as in a high speed chase. However, it appears in this case, the threat was no longer there, as the suspect was caught. Those involved seem to be getting what they deserved.

A 50 hour suspension.

This is one of the main reasons we need police reform in this country.

we do...but the dems blocked even discussing it in 2020...that’s why we see dem run executives behaving this way

The time for discussing it is over, we have been discussing it for over 100yrs. The time is here to put it into action and that Republican bill that was served up by Tim Scott was nothing but bullshit.

don’t we have to discuss what to reform and put in the law?

No we have already discussed it, it just needs to be put into law. We don't need to listen to Tim Scott present a bunch of useless bullshit that is not going to change a damn thing.

 

[struth]

https://www.wwltv.com/article/news/crime/video-shows-deadly-arrest-of-ronald-greene-by-louisiana-state-police/289-af6224ab-e8a2-451c-b52f-a862325ab4df

"Louisiana state troopers were captured on body camera video stunning, punching and dragging a Black man as he apologized for leading them on a high-speed chase -- footage of the man’s last moments alive that The Associated Press obtained after authorities refused to release it for two years.

Troopers initially told Greene’s family he died on impact after crashing into a tree during the chase. Only now in the footage obtained by the AP from one trooper's body camera can the public see for the first time some of what happened during the arrest. State Police brass initially argued the troopers’ use of force was justified — “awful but lawful,” as ranking officials described it — and did not open an administrative investigation until 474 days after Greene’s death."

Yea, I know it may look bad for the police to repeatedly lie and file false reports; but none of this would have ever been known about if it wasn't for some meddling emergency room doctor noticing the dead guy still had the taser prongs stuck in his back -- after being told he died from a car crash. But the only person to blame for this is Green himself; he shouldn't have fled and took police on a high-speed chase..and for what? a traffic violation?

The question still remains however; why shouldn't cops be allowed to kill suspects who try to run away or don't follow police orders?? If the police tells you to stop, you stop...if you don't, you die...that simple....Now because of this; the lives of at least 2 officers have been destroyed. The officer who was bragging about choking and beating Mr. Greene and making him spit blood everywhere; that guy was fired for his involvement in this case; and later died hours after finding out he was fired (due to a single vehicle highway crash with karma). The other officer was later arrested for his connection to another police beating -- but as I said; none of this would have happened if we simply made it perfectly legal for cops to kill whoever tries to flee from police or doesn't comply with their orders.

Despite repeated attempts by leftist to turn the Executive Branch in one centralized power...we haven't done that in this country. Police are not judges, and juries they don't get to decide guilt and then punishment. So that's why.

They have when it comes to black folks, they operate in any manner that they want to.

Certainly, there are cases in which a police officer can use deadly force, such as when a suspect threatens their lives, or the lives of the public...such as in a high speed chase. However, it appears in this case, the threat was no longer there, as the suspect was caught. Those involved seem to be getting what they deserved.

A 50 hour suspension.

This is one of the main reasons we need police reform in this country.

we do...but the dems blocked even discussing it in 2020...that’s why we see dem run executives behaving this way

The time for discussing it is over, we have been discussing it for over 100yrs. The time is here to put it into action and that Republican bill that was served up by Tim Scott was nothing but bullshit.

don’t we have to discuss what to reform and put in the law?

No we have already discussed it, it just needs to be put into law. We don't need to listen to Tim Scott present a bunch of useless bullshit that is not going to change a damn thing.

what was useless about it? what should be in the law?

 

[Superbadbrutha]

The folks who are thoroughly investigating these incidents are part of the problem and are the main ones who look the other way.

And you write that with what evidence? Zero? That's what I thought you said.

The fact of the matter is various agencies and departments are not colluding with one another to save a cops ass. Many of these people don't even know each other, therefore don't even know who they can trust even if they did want to conspire. The forensic scientist is not working with the Chief. The coroner is not working with the detectives. The autopsy doctor is not working with the Sheriff or state patrol. It would be an almost impossible conspiracy to create because all of their reports must line up with each other, and nobody is going to risk their job over a cop don't even know.

I can show case after case after case after case were the police have violated people's right and not a damn thing was done about it.

The taxpayers foot the bill for it and the police who violate or break the law continue on with no consequences.

And you know that how? Do you have an example?

Breonna Taylor, George Floyd, Philando Castile, shall I go on. Who do you think footed the bill for those setttlements?

Even if you could find a case, you don't know what goes on behind closed doors. Just because an officer is not fired on the spot doesn't mean any disciplinary actions were not taken against him or her.

So they are punishing them in secret, sorry nobody is buying that bullshit.

I bet Chauvin wishes he would have just made the arrest and filled out the paperwork.

I bet he wishes he never became a cop given the environment.

You are not forced to become a cop, if you can't do the job find something else to do.

I guess that's why police officers are leaving the police departments in commie cities in droves.

Let them leave if they can't handle the job.

They believe Satan has won the ware and are getting the hell out of there, probably to find a job in a nice white area where they won't have to experience these problems.

The good cops aren't going anywhere, it is the bad cops who are pissed they can't just kill and beat folks and get away with it.

 

[Superbadbrutha]

https://www.wwltv.com/article/news/crime/video-shows-deadly-arrest-of-ronald-greene-by-louisiana-state-police/289-af6224ab-e8a2-451c-b52f-a862325ab4df

"Louisiana state troopers were captured on body camera video stunning, punching and dragging a Black man as he apologized for leading them on a high-speed chase -- footage of the man’s last moments alive that The Associated Press obtained after authorities refused to release it for two years.

Troopers initially told Greene’s family he died on impact after crashing into a tree during the chase. Only now in the footage obtained by the AP from one trooper's body camera can the public see for the first time some of what happened during the arrest. State Police brass initially argued the troopers’ use of force was justified — “awful but lawful,” as ranking officials described it — and did not open an administrative investigation until 474 days after Greene’s death."

Yea, I know it may look bad for the police to repeatedly lie and file false reports; but none of this would have ever been known about if it wasn't for some meddling emergency room doctor noticing the dead guy still had the taser prongs stuck in his back -- after being told he died from a car crash. But the only person to blame for this is Green himself; he shouldn't have fled and took police on a high-speed chase..and for what? a traffic violation?

The question still remains however; why shouldn't cops be allowed to kill suspects who try to run away or don't follow police orders?? If the police tells you to stop, you stop...if you don't, you die...that simple....Now because of this; the lives of at least 2 officers have been destroyed. The officer who was bragging about choking and beating Mr. Greene and making him spit blood everywhere; that guy was fired for his involvement in this case; and later died hours after finding out he was fired (due to a single vehicle highway crash with karma). The other officer was later arrested for his connection to another police beating -- but as I said; none of this would have happened if we simply made it perfectly legal for cops to kill whoever tries to flee from police or doesn't comply with their orders.

Despite repeated attempts by leftist to turn the Executive Branch in one centralized power...we haven't done that in this country. Police are not judges, and juries they don't get to decide guilt and then punishment. So that's why.

They have when it comes to black folks, they operate in any manner that they want to.

Certainly, there are cases in which a police officer can use deadly force, such as when a suspect threatens their lives, or the lives of the public...such as in a high speed chase. However, it appears in this case, the threat was no longer there, as the suspect was caught. Those involved seem to be getting what they deserved.

A 50 hour suspension.

This is one of the main reasons we need police reform in this country.

we do...but the dems blocked even discussing it in 2020...that’s why we see dem run executives behaving this way

The time for discussing it is over, we have been discussing it for over 100yrs. The time is here to put it into action and that Republican bill that was served up by Tim Scott was nothing but bullshit.

don’t we have to discuss what to reform and put in the law?

No we have already discussed it, it just needs to be put into law. We don't need to listen to Tim Scott present a bunch of useless bullshit that is not going to change a damn thing.

what was useless about it? what should be in the law?

It was useless because there are no concrete laws in the bill, it is just recommendations and more training and blah, blah, blah, blah.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Sure I can understand using deadly force when the suspect threatens deadly force.

But running and not complying can be caused by other factors without any deadly threat or intent.

The best way I can suggest to prevent this is for community members to agree to go through the same screening, training and oath to uphold laws that police and military are required to follow.

That way, any mental or criminal issues that might cause a person to resist, react or refuse to comply can be diagnosed and treated, managed or even cured in advance. If police and community members know each other, and agree who is a threat or not, we can solve those problems in advance.

Right now the political focus is on weeding out the corrupt or abusive dangerous police. When we agree to also weed out dangerous civilians hiding behind law abiding citizens, then we have a fair process and can address and resolve the true causes of criminal abuse and addictions, violations and violence.

The problem is you are trying to blame the woman being raped over the rapist.

Our problem is not the police, our problem is black people who refuse to comply with them. Nearly every death at the hands of police officers have one thing in common, and that is the suspect didn't follow police orders.

As for what a person has to go through to become a police officer, it's much more stringent than the military. The son of a friend of mine became a cop. When he applied for the Ohio State Patrol, officers came to his parents house unannounced. They drilled him and his wife about their son. When they left, my friend says he watched them go to his next door neighbors houses, and then across the street. By phone, they also contacted a few of his high school teachers. They have to go through intense psychological exams. The police academy is no picnic either. As for military training, many departments prioritize veterans, especially war veterans who seen action on many occasions.

As a CCW holder in my state, I am under no obligation to only use deadly force if my attacker is using deadly force. So why shouldn't the same rules apply to a police officer? Our CCW laws mirror most around the country. It reads "A CCW holder can use deadly force if they believe they (or others) are in jeopardy of serious bodily harm or death." Nowhere in the country will you find a CCW holder must be threatened with a deadly weapon in order for them to use deadly force.

There are several solutions to this problem. One would be the least popular which is bring back segregation. The other is for police officers to visit the high schools in their city for an assembly. There they would teach students how they were trained, why they make the demands of a suspect that they do, and what can happen to a police officer if the suspect doesn't comply.

 

[Superbadbrutha]

Before I retired I worked with a black man who told me an interesting story. When he was a younger man he and another guy were in the process of breaking the law when the cops showed up. So they ran.

My co-worker ran faster then his pal so he escaped. His pal went to jail and my co-worker was never caught. He was able to get a good paying job that required a government security clearance with his spotless record and he even got a pension when he retired. His pal faced a much harder life.

I’m not sure what the moral of this story should be but it does support the wisdom of those who suggest there should be an Eleventh Commandment, “Thou shalt not get caught.”

In passing, my black co-worker was a very religious man who was deeply involved in Bible study and occasionally gave a sermon in his church.

So should we put that under fictional or non fictional?

 

[struth]

https://www.wwltv.com/article/news/crime/video-shows-deadly-arrest-of-ronald-greene-by-louisiana-state-police/289-af6224ab-e8a2-451c-b52f-a862325ab4df

"Louisiana state troopers were captured on body camera video stunning, punching and dragging a Black man as he apologized for leading them on a high-speed chase -- footage of the man’s last moments alive that The Associated Press obtained after authorities refused to release it for two years.

Troopers initially told Greene’s family he died on impact after crashing into a tree during the chase. Only now in the footage obtained by the AP from one trooper's body camera can the public see for the first time some of what happened during the arrest. State Police brass initially argued the troopers’ use of force was justified — “awful but lawful,” as ranking officials described it — and did not open an administrative investigation until 474 days after Greene’s death."

Yea, I know it may look bad for the police to repeatedly lie and file false reports; but none of this would have ever been known about if it wasn't for some meddling emergency room doctor noticing the dead guy still had the taser prongs stuck in his back -- after being told he died from a car crash. But the only person to blame for this is Green himself; he shouldn't have fled and took police on a high-speed chase..and for what? a traffic violation?

The question still remains however; why shouldn't cops be allowed to kill suspects who try to run away or don't follow police orders?? If the police tells you to stop, you stop...if you don't, you die...that simple....Now because of this; the lives of at least 2 officers have been destroyed. The officer who was bragging about choking and beating Mr. Greene and making him spit blood everywhere; that guy was fired for his involvement in this case; and later died hours after finding out he was fired (due to a single vehicle highway crash with karma). The other officer was later arrested for his connection to another police beating -- but as I said; none of this would have happened if we simply made it perfectly legal for cops to kill whoever tries to flee from police or doesn't comply with their orders.

Despite repeated attempts by leftist to turn the Executive Branch in one centralized power...we haven't done that in this country. Police are not judges, and juries they don't get to decide guilt and then punishment. So that's why.

They have when it comes to black folks, they operate in any manner that they want to.

Certainly, there are cases in which a police officer can use deadly force, such as when a suspect threatens their lives, or the lives of the public...such as in a high speed chase. However, it appears in this case, the threat was no longer there, as the suspect was caught. Those involved seem to be getting what they deserved.

A 50 hour suspension.

This is one of the main reasons we need police reform in this country.

we do...but the dems blocked even discussing it in 2020...that’s why we see dem run executives behaving this way

The time for discussing it is over, we have been discussing it for over 100yrs. The time is here to put it into action and that Republican bill that was served up by Tim Scott was nothing but bullshit.

don’t we have to discuss what to reform and put in the law?

No we have already discussed it, it just needs to be put into law. We don't need to listen to Tim Scott present a bunch of useless bullshit that is not going to change a damn thing.

what was useless about it? what should be in the law?

It was useless because there are no concrete laws in the bill, it is just recommendations and more training and blah, blah, blah, blah.

well yeah it had to be voted on to be a law

so not sure what you mean

well there was certainly training and recommmendations to states...since the fed has no power over localities like that

but there were certainly things on a federal law enforcement level

 

[Superbadbrutha]

https://www.wwltv.com/article/news/crime/video-shows-deadly-arrest-of-ronald-greene-by-louisiana-state-police/289-af6224ab-e8a2-451c-b52f-a862325ab4df

"Louisiana state troopers were captured on body camera video stunning, punching and dragging a Black man as he apologized for leading them on a high-speed chase -- footage of the man’s last moments alive that The Associated Press obtained after authorities refused to release it for two years.

Troopers initially told Greene’s family he died on impact after crashing into a tree during the chase. Only now in the footage obtained by the AP from one trooper's body camera can the public see for the first time some of what happened during the arrest. State Police brass initially argued the troopers’ use of force was justified — “awful but lawful,” as ranking officials described it — and did not open an administrative investigation until 474 days after Greene’s death."

Yea, I know it may look bad for the police to repeatedly lie and file false reports; but none of this would have ever been known about if it wasn't for some meddling emergency room doctor noticing the dead guy still had the taser prongs stuck in his back -- after being told he died from a car crash. But the only person to blame for this is Green himself; he shouldn't have fled and took police on a high-speed chase..and for what? a traffic violation?

The question still remains however; why shouldn't cops be allowed to kill suspects who try to run away or don't follow police orders?? If the police tells you to stop, you stop...if you don't, you die...that simple....Now because of this; the lives of at least 2 officers have been destroyed. The officer who was bragging about choking and beating Mr. Greene and making him spit blood everywhere; that guy was fired for his involvement in this case; and later died hours after finding out he was fired (due to a single vehicle highway crash with karma). The other officer was later arrested for his connection to another police beating -- but as I said; none of this would have happened if we simply made it perfectly legal for cops to kill whoever tries to flee from police or doesn't comply with their orders.

Despite repeated attempts by leftist to turn the Executive Branch in one centralized power...we haven't done that in this country. Police are not judges, and juries they don't get to decide guilt and then punishment. So that's why.

They have when it comes to black folks, they operate in any manner that they want to.

Certainly, there are cases in which a police officer can use deadly force, such as when a suspect threatens their lives, or the lives of the public...such as in a high speed chase. However, it appears in this case, the threat was no longer there, as the suspect was caught. Those involved seem to be getting what they deserved.

A 50 hour suspension.

This is one of the main reasons we need police reform in this country.

we do...but the dems blocked even discussing it in 2020...that’s why we see dem run executives behaving this way

The time for discussing it is over, we have been discussing it for over 100yrs. The time is here to put it into action and that Republican bill that was served up by Tim Scott was nothing but bullshit.

don’t we have to discuss what to reform and put in the law?

No we have already discussed it, it just needs to be put into law. We don't need to listen to Tim Scott present a bunch of useless bullshit that is not going to change a damn thing.

what was useless about it? what should be in the law?

It was useless because there are no concrete laws in the bill, it is just recommendations and more training and blah, blah, blah, blah.

well yeah it had to be voted on to be a law

so not sure what you mean

well there was certainly training and recommmendations to states...since the fed has no power over localities like that

but there were certainly things on a federal law enforcement level

Federal law can trump (no pun intended) state and local law. Why are Republicans not wanting to vote on the George Floyd Bill in the Senate?

 

[struth]

https://www.wwltv.com/article/news/crime/video-shows-deadly-arrest-of-ronald-greene-by-louisiana-state-police/289-af6224ab-e8a2-451c-b52f-a862325ab4df

"Louisiana state troopers were captured on body camera video stunning, punching and dragging a Black man as he apologized for leading them on a high-speed chase -- footage of the man’s last moments alive that The Associated Press obtained after authorities refused to release it for two years.

Troopers initially told Greene’s family he died on impact after crashing into a tree during the chase. Only now in the footage obtained by the AP from one trooper's body camera can the public see for the first time some of what happened during the arrest. State Police brass initially argued the troopers’ use of force was justified — “awful but lawful,” as ranking officials described it — and did not open an administrative investigation until 474 days after Greene’s death."

Yea, I know it may look bad for the police to repeatedly lie and file false reports; but none of this would have ever been known about if it wasn't for some meddling emergency room doctor noticing the dead guy still had the taser prongs stuck in his back -- after being told he died from a car crash. But the only person to blame for this is Green himself; he shouldn't have fled and took police on a high-speed chase..and for what? a traffic violation?

The question still remains however; why shouldn't cops be allowed to kill suspects who try to run away or don't follow police orders?? If the police tells you to stop, you stop...if you don't, you die...that simple....Now because of this; the lives of at least 2 officers have been destroyed. The officer who was bragging about choking and beating Mr. Greene and making him spit blood everywhere; that guy was fired for his involvement in this case; and later died hours after finding out he was fired (due to a single vehicle highway crash with karma). The other officer was later arrested for his connection to another police beating -- but as I said; none of this would have happened if we simply made it perfectly legal for cops to kill whoever tries to flee from police or doesn't comply with their orders.

Despite repeated attempts by leftist to turn the Executive Branch in one centralized power...we haven't done that in this country. Police are not judges, and juries they don't get to decide guilt and then punishment. So that's why.

They have when it comes to black folks, they operate in any manner that they want to.

Certainly, there are cases in which a police officer can use deadly force, such as when a suspect threatens their lives, or the lives of the public...such as in a high speed chase. However, it appears in this case, the threat was no longer there, as the suspect was caught. Those involved seem to be getting what they deserved.

A 50 hour suspension.

This is one of the main reasons we need police reform in this country.

we do...but the dems blocked even discussing it in 2020...that’s why we see dem run executives behaving this way

The time for discussing it is over, we have been discussing it for over 100yrs. The time is here to put it into action and that Republican bill that was served up by Tim Scott was nothing but bullshit.

don’t we have to discuss what to reform and put in the law?

No we have already discussed it, it just needs to be put into law. We don't need to listen to Tim Scott present a bunch of useless bullshit that is not going to change a damn thing.

what was useless about it? what should be in the law?

It was useless because there are no concrete laws in the bill, it is just recommendations and more training and blah, blah, blah, blah.

well yeah it had to be voted on to be a law

so not sure what you mean

well there was certainly training and recommmendations to states...since the fed has no power over localities like that

but there were certainly things on a federal law enforcement level

Federal law can trump (no pun intended) state and local law. Why are Republicans not wanting to vote on the George Floyd Bill in the Senate?

a federal law can’t order a state agency to administer federal law

One, the Dem Senate majority leader hasn’t brought it to the floor

but also because it sets up quotas for the number of people of race and gender an officer needs to stop

and two it takes away immunity protections for officers but not their bosses that make the laws or orders them to endoece the laws