Why should an independent vote Trump?

[Brain357]

Clearly it is you who is lying and confused. You haven't come close to making a good point yet. Wages are weak but where they are increasing the most they increased min wage. I am not arguing for status quo at all. I've stated all the issues with the economy. Trump is doing nothing about them and making some worse.

What is the major change to the status quo that you support?

Our economy is full of near monopolies, we need to fix that. We have to make sure the wage collusion stops. We need to get rid of right to work for less laws. We need to get rid of non compete agreements. We need to really give workers some power.

"Near monopolies"? Iike What? How would you fix that and what do you imagine the major impact would be?

I see you are oblivious. Shocking. It is all around us.

America Has A Monopoly Problem

Without realizing it, we’ve become a nation of monopolies. A large and growing part of our economy is “owned” by a handful of companies that face little competition.

They have no incentive to deliver better products or to get more efficient. They simply rake in cash from people who have no choice but to hand it over.

This would be impossible if we had true capitalism.

Across industries, the U.S. has become a country of monopolies.

• Three companies control about 80% of mobile telecoms. Three have 95% of credit cards. Four have 70% of airline flights within the U.S. Google handles 60% of search. The list goes on. (h/t The Economist)

• In agriculture, four companies control 66% of U.S. hogs slaughtered in 2015, 85% of the steer, and half the chickens, according to the Department of Agriculture. (h/t Open Markets Institute)
• Similarly, just four companies control 85% of U.S. corn seed sales, up from 60% in 2000, and 75% of soy bean seed, a jump from about half, the Agriculture Department says. Far larger than anyone — the American companies DowDuPont and Monsanto.
• As we have reported, some economists say this concentration of market power is gumming up the economy and is largely to blame for decades of flat wages and weak productivity growth.

So, if you broke up the phone "monopolies", how would the make things better? Cause right now, the biggest issue with phones, imo, is the way people use them, nothing with the phones themselves.

Did you bother reading the link? Here you go:
As we have reported, some economists say this concentration of market power is gumming up the economy and is largely to blame for decades of flat wages and weak productivity growth.

 

[charwin95]

You still not making sense ignorant Dude.

Your cowardly refusal to address what I actually said, is noted.

What refusal to address? Are you saying something dumb that makes sense?

INCREASED SUPPLY REDUCES COST. I SAID THAT, AND YOU CALLED ME RACIST FOR SAYING THAT.


YOU ARE NOT TALKING STRAIGHT FACTS, YOU ARE TALKING SHIT.

INCREASED SUPPLY REDUCES COST........
Explain what you are babbling.

Is that mean you are not dictating how should run my business?

I that mean you are not allowing me to hire immigrants?

I’m not talking shit. You are.

If you didn't understand it, you should have asked me questions THEN, instead of just making up shit in your head, and then holding ME responsible for the shit you made up in your head.


That was you being batshit crazy. Do you understand that?


Any how, you crazy person, it is my point that massive inflows of supply of labor, led to reduced cost, ie wages.


Thus if we want higher wages for AMERICANS, then we need to reduce the supply.


That is a completely reasonable goal for national government policy. Serving the interests of American workers.


That you cried racism, was about something wrong with YOU. That had nothing to do with me.

The massive supply of labor is needed in this economy. You cannot just cut off labor supply because you don’t like the people.

If I follow your foolishness, dumb opinions and fantasy American businesses will not survive.

Yes you are a racist dog.

This is the third or fourth time we talked about this topic.

 

[charwin95]

You still not making sense ignorant Dude.

Your cowardly refusal to address what I actually said, is noted.

What refusal to address? Are you saying something dumb that makes sense?

INCREASED SUPPLY REDUCES COST. I SAID THAT, AND YOU CALLED ME RACIST FOR SAYING THAT.


YOU ARE NOT TALKING STRAIGHT FACTS, YOU ARE TALKING SHIT.

INCREASED SUPPLY REDUCES COST........
Explain what you are babbling.

Is that mean you are not dictating how should run my business?

I that mean you are not allowing me to hire immigrants?

I’m not talking shit. You are.

If you didn't understand it, you should have asked me questions THEN, instead of just making up shit in your head, and then holding ME responsible for the shit you made up in your head.


That was you being batshit crazy. Do you understand that?


Any how, you crazy person, it is my point that massive inflows of supply of labor, led to reduced cost, ie wages.


Thus if we want higher wages for AMERICANS, then we need to reduce the supply.


That is a completely reasonable goal for national government policy. Serving the interests of American workers.


That you cried racism, was about something wrong with YOU. That had nothing to do with me.

Or you can ask Trumpy boi why he is hiring foreigners instead of Americans.

 

[Correll]

Your cowardly refusal to address what I actually said, is noted.

What refusal to address? Are you saying something dumb that makes sense?

INCREASED SUPPLY REDUCES COST. I SAID THAT, AND YOU CALLED ME RACIST FOR SAYING THAT.


YOU ARE NOT TALKING STRAIGHT FACTS, YOU ARE TALKING SHIT.

INCREASED SUPPLY REDUCES COST........
Explain what you are babbling.

Is that mean you are not dictating how should run my business?

I that mean you are not allowing me to hire immigrants?

I’m not talking shit. You are.

If you didn't understand it, you should have asked me questions THEN, instead of just making up shit in your head, and then holding ME responsible for the shit you made up in your head.


That was you being batshit crazy. Do you understand that?


Any how, you crazy person, it is my point that massive inflows of supply of labor, led to reduced cost, ie wages.


Thus if we want higher wages for AMERICANS, then we need to reduce the supply.


That is a completely reasonable goal for national government policy. Serving the interests of American workers.


That you cried racism, was about something wrong with YOU. That had nothing to do with me.

The massive supply of labor is needed in this economy. You cannot just cut off labor supply because you don’t like the people.

If I follow your foolishness, dumb opinions and fantasy American businesses will not survive.

Yes you are a racist dog.

This is the third or fourth time we talked about this topic.

The massive supply of labor is not needed. That bit where you attack me personally? That is not a supporting argument.


That is you admitting that you cannot make a supporting argument.


Because, as an employer, it makes life easy for you, to not have to worry about getting and keeping labor. We have policy to create an environment, that is great for employers, but terrible for WORKERS.


And have had such policies since the mid 60s. It is time to give the workers some love.



YOu lose, loser.

 

[Correll]

Your cowardly refusal to address what I actually said, is noted.

What refusal to address? Are you saying something dumb that makes sense?

INCREASED SUPPLY REDUCES COST. I SAID THAT, AND YOU CALLED ME RACIST FOR SAYING THAT.


YOU ARE NOT TALKING STRAIGHT FACTS, YOU ARE TALKING SHIT.

INCREASED SUPPLY REDUCES COST........
Explain what you are babbling.

Is that mean you are not dictating how should run my business?

I that mean you are not allowing me to hire immigrants?

I’m not talking shit. You are.

If you didn't understand it, you should have asked me questions THEN, instead of just making up shit in your head, and then holding ME responsible for the shit you made up in your head.


That was you being batshit crazy. Do you understand that?


Any how, you crazy person, it is my point that massive inflows of supply of labor, led to reduced cost, ie wages.


Thus if we want higher wages for AMERICANS, then we need to reduce the supply.


That is a completely reasonable goal for national government policy. Serving the interests of American workers.


That you cried racism, was about something wrong with YOU. That had nothing to do with me.

Or you can ask Trumpy boi why he is hiring foreigners instead of Americans.

What could President Trump, possibly say, that would refute my point?


WHich you failed to address. Because you know it is true and you don't want to admit that, because you are a liberal, and that is what liberals are.


Here is my point, that you could not even address.





it is my point that massive inflows of supply of labor, led to reduced cost, ie wages.


Thus if we want higher wages for AMERICANS, then we need to reduce the supply.


That is a completely reasonable goal for national government policy. Serving the interests of American workers.


That you cried racism, was about something wrong with YOU. That had nothing to do with me.

 

[sealybobo]

We are already at 3.5% unemployment and wages are weak. Markets aren’t working obviously. If they were wages would have strong growth already.

Exactly. Corporations have full control of wages. Without unions there is no reason to raise wages any more than maybe a token amount leading up to an election.

Yes with the decline in unions policy has completely favored employers.

With unlimited immigrant labor, workers will have no leverage.


You support that.

Unemployment is already really low and yet wages are flat. They aren't going up just because of supply and demand. Seems the business owners and corporations you worship like it this way. Maybe we should organize.
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Those numbers are shit.


Wages are not flat, they are rising, finally, and too slowly, but they are rising.


Maybe if we deport more of the cheap third world labor pool, that will put even more pressure on employers.


And if unions can't organize when workers finally have the leverage, maybe you need to talk to THEM about what the **** they are doing, instead of appeal to worker's interests.

I talked to my brother this week. He's a VP so of course he sees things from the corporations side. We don't need your uneducated blue collar kids. Doesn't matter what color they are. McD and Walmart can get computers to do the work if you get too expensive. In the future you will have 1 or 2 kids and they will be engineers or nurses or plumbers. You better prepare them to find something they want to do the rest of your life. No more can your kids just graduate high school and fall into a good job. So the masses. The blue collar workers are screwed. This is the new normal.

We will never go back to the days where Jimmy Hoffa and the unions owned Michigan and the middle class thrived. The corporations fought back and won.

In the past they couldn't send their jobs to China. Today they can.

 

[rightwinger]

Is there any real reason I should vote trump? According to trump he is not doing well. He made fun of Obama for never hitting an annual gdp greater than 3%, but now trump is in the same boat. He said it was bad when Obama ruled by executive order, but now he does the same thing. He said Obamas low unemployment rate wasn't really low because it's all about the labor force participation rate which has remained low under trump. Republicans told me huge deficits were bad, and now trump has them over a trillion dollars. The country is as divided as ever so clearly he isn't bringing us together. On top of all this he is the least presidential president I have ever seen. Has he done anything an independent would vote for?

This impeachment is not an attempt to convince Republicans that Trump did wrong.......they will never admit it

It is a plea to independents to not let Trump get away with it

 

[Brain357]

What refusal to address? Are you saying something dumb that makes sense?

INCREASED SUPPLY REDUCES COST. I SAID THAT, AND YOU CALLED ME RACIST FOR SAYING THAT.


YOU ARE NOT TALKING STRAIGHT FACTS, YOU ARE TALKING SHIT.

INCREASED SUPPLY REDUCES COST........
Explain what you are babbling.

Is that mean you are not dictating how should run my business?

I that mean you are not allowing me to hire immigrants?

I’m not talking shit. You are.

If you didn't understand it, you should have asked me questions THEN, instead of just making up shit in your head, and then holding ME responsible for the shit you made up in your head.


That was you being batshit crazy. Do you understand that?


Any how, you crazy person, it is my point that massive inflows of supply of labor, led to reduced cost, ie wages.


Thus if we want higher wages for AMERICANS, then we need to reduce the supply.


That is a completely reasonable goal for national government policy. Serving the interests of American workers.


That you cried racism, was about something wrong with YOU. That had nothing to do with me.

Or you can ask Trumpy boi why he is hiring foreigners instead of Americans.

What could President Trump, possibly say, that would refute my point?


WHich you failed to address. Because you know it is true and you don't want to admit that, because you are a liberal, and that is what liberals are.


Here is my point, that you could not even address.





it is my point that massive inflows of supply of labor, led to reduced cost, ie wages.


Thus if we want higher wages for AMERICANS, then we need to reduce the supply.


That is a completely reasonable goal for national government policy. Serving the interests of American workers.


That you cried racism, was about something wrong with YOU. That had nothing to do with me.

3.5% unemployment with labor shortages and you still think it’s a supply thing. That is amazing.

 

[charwin95]

What refusal to address? Are you saying something dumb that makes sense?

INCREASED SUPPLY REDUCES COST. I SAID THAT, AND YOU CALLED ME RACIST FOR SAYING THAT.


YOU ARE NOT TALKING STRAIGHT FACTS, YOU ARE TALKING SHIT.

INCREASED SUPPLY REDUCES COST........
Explain what you are babbling.

Is that mean you are not dictating how should run my business?

I that mean you are not allowing me to hire immigrants?

I’m not talking shit. You are.

If you didn't understand it, you should have asked me questions THEN, instead of just making up shit in your head, and then holding ME responsible for the shit you made up in your head.


That was you being batshit crazy. Do you understand that?


Any how, you crazy person, it is my point that massive inflows of supply of labor, led to reduced cost, ie wages.


Thus if we want higher wages for AMERICANS, then we need to reduce the supply.


That is a completely reasonable goal for national government policy. Serving the interests of American workers.


That you cried racism, was about something wrong with YOU. That had nothing to do with me.

The massive supply of labor is needed in this economy. You cannot just cut off labor supply because you don’t like the people.

If I follow your foolishness, dumb opinions and fantasy American businesses will not survive.

Yes you are a racist dog.

This is the third or fourth time we talked about this topic.

The massive supply of labor is not needed. That bit where you attack me personally? That is not a supporting argument.


That is you admitting that you cannot make a supporting argument.


Because, as an employer, it makes life easy for you, to not have to worry about getting and keeping labor. We have policy to create an environment, that is great for employers, but terrible for WORKERS.


And have had such policies since the mid 60s. It is time to give the workers some love.



YOu lose, loser.

I feel sorry for you actually.

How can you even possibly know about labor supply when your only goal is to hire whites? That is impossible to achieve even if I push it.

I was expecting you are going to mentioned when most are white workers like the 60s. You are obsolete.

Like I mentioned before and in this thread business doesn’t work that way anymore. It’s just impossible. So I’m supposed to place in my ad........ WHITES ONLy?

You are a racist retard.

 

[charwin95]

What refusal to address? Are you saying something dumb that makes sense?

INCREASED SUPPLY REDUCES COST. I SAID THAT, AND YOU CALLED ME RACIST FOR SAYING THAT.


YOU ARE NOT TALKING STRAIGHT FACTS, YOU ARE TALKING SHIT.

INCREASED SUPPLY REDUCES COST........
Explain what you are babbling.

Is that mean you are not dictating how should run my business?

I that mean you are not allowing me to hire immigrants?

I’m not talking shit. You are.

If you didn't understand it, you should have asked me questions THEN, instead of just making up shit in your head, and then holding ME responsible for the shit you made up in your head.


That was you being batshit crazy. Do you understand that?


Any how, you crazy person, it is my point that massive inflows of supply of labor, led to reduced cost, ie wages.


Thus if we want higher wages for AMERICANS, then we need to reduce the supply.


That is a completely reasonable goal for national government policy. Serving the interests of American workers.


That you cried racism, was about something wrong with YOU. That had nothing to do with me.

Or you can ask Trumpy boi why he is hiring foreigners instead of Americans.

What could President Trump, possibly say, that would refute my point?


WHich you failed to address. Because you know it is true and you don't want to admit that, because you are a liberal, and that is what liberals are.


Here is my point, that you could not even address.





it is my point that massive inflows of supply of labor, led to reduced cost, ie wages.


Thus if we want higher wages for AMERICANS, then we need to reduce the supply.


That is a completely reasonable goal for national government policy. Serving the interests of American workers.


That you cried racism, was about something wrong with YOU. That had nothing to do with me.

Trump? You are complaining and fascinated about whites Americans employees only. Yet your boi hired foreign workers and illegals from Mexico.

Sad to hear about blaming liberals. Are you saying conservatives employers hired only whites?

If you want higher wages reduce the supply? How am I supposed to that when I needed someone to help me today.

So if needed a plumber...... I should wait for a white plumber if and when he/she is available? You are retarded.
And no matter how you twist your fantasy you are a racist.

 

[BrokeLoser]

Sure. Unlimited supply. We are seeing signs of life, with the tiny amount of reductions that TRump has done.


What if we got really serious about it? Deport them by the millions? Don't let any more in?

We are already at 3.5% unemployment and wages are weak. Markets aren’t working obviously. If they were wages would have strong growth already.

Exactly. Corporations have full control of wages. Without unions there is no reason to raise wages any more than maybe a token amount leading up to an election.

Yes with the decline in unions policy has completely favored employers.

With unlimited immigrant labor, workers will have no leverage.


You support that.

Unemployment is already really low and yet wages are flat. They aren't going up just because of supply and demand. Seems the business owners and corporations you worship like it this way. Maybe we should organize.

The number of unauthorized immigrants in the U.S. fell to its lowest level in more than a decade, according to new Pew Research Center estimates based on 2016 government data. The decline is due almost entirely to a sharp decrease in the number of Mexicans entering the country without authorization.

There were 10.7 million unauthorized immigrants living in the U.S. in 2016, down from a peak of 12.2 million in 2007, according to the new estimates.

U.S. Unauthorized Immigration Total Lowest in a Decade

Remember when you talked mass amounts of shit about the Mexicrat Party for encouraging thirdworld filth to invade our nation? Remember when you became a Republican for 6 hours for that very reason?
WTF dude...do you even know where you really stand?

 

[Brain357]

Today is a good example of how quickly the market can drop, the debt however is still there. Most of what trump has done is temporary, but the debt he’s adding will last a long time...

 

[Desperado]

There are a number of reasons: Biden, Bloomberg, Warren Sanders to name a few

 

[sealybobo]

We are already at 3.5% unemployment and wages are weak. Markets aren’t working obviously. If they were wages would have strong growth already.

Exactly. Corporations have full control of wages. Without unions there is no reason to raise wages any more than maybe a token amount leading up to an election.

Yes with the decline in unions policy has completely favored employers.

With unlimited immigrant labor, workers will have no leverage.


You support that.

Unemployment is already really low and yet wages are flat. They aren't going up just because of supply and demand. Seems the business owners and corporations you worship like it this way. Maybe we should organize.

The number of unauthorized immigrants in the U.S. fell to its lowest level in more than a decade, according to new Pew Research Center estimates based on 2016 government data. The decline is due almost entirely to a sharp decrease in the number of Mexicans entering the country without authorization.

There were 10.7 million unauthorized immigrants living in the U.S. in 2016, down from a peak of 12.2 million in 2007, according to the new estimates.

U.S. Unauthorized Immigration Total Lowest in a Decade

Remember when you talked mass amounts of shit about the Mexicrat Party for encouraging thirdworld filth to invade our nation? Remember when you became a Republican for 6 hours for that very reason?
WTF dude...do you even know where you really stand?

I don't remember that. What I may have said is that unemployment is so low that immigration isn't even a problem anymore. In fact we may need them now.

Don't you understand this? When the economy is good corporations need bodies/workers and they need it to be cheap labor. Do you want corporations to pay more than they have to? You're just going to suck it up as a consumer.

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/business/workplace/article212827429.html

Miami businesses have rarely felt more optimistic about the future.

There's just one big problem they can't seem to shake: finding good help.

According to the Greater Miami Chamber of Commerce and CPA firm MBAF's 2018 Executive Survey, 47 percent of members listed "finding qualified professional employees" as their top concern in the coming year.

So no, I don't know what side I'm on until I know the situation. Are we near zero unemployment or not?

 

[there4eyeM]

That the 'D' party can't get it together to offer an appealing candidate is not an argument for voting 'R'.
Other parties and options exist.
The duopoly must be thrown out at some point.

 

[rightwinger]

That the 'D' party can't get it together to offer an appealing candidate is not an argument for voting 'R'.
Other parties and options exist.
The duopoly must be thrown out at some point.

Wake me up when that actually happens

 

[SmokeALib]

Is there any real reason I should vote trump? According to trump he is not doing well. He made fun of Obama for never hitting an annual gdp greater than 3%, but now trump is in the same boat. He said it was bad when Obama ruled by executive order, but now he does the same thing. He said Obamas low unemployment rate wasn't really low because it's all about the labor force participation rate which has remained low under trump. Republicans told me huge deficits were bad, and now trump has them over a trillion dollars. The country is as divided as ever so clearly he isn't bringing us together. On top of all this he is the least presidential president I have ever seen. Has he done anything an independent would vote for?

Must vote Trump to keep leftists out of office. The last time I voted Independent (Perot), I helped put Clinton in office. Won't do that again.

 

[Brain357]

Is there any real reason I should vote trump? According to trump he is not doing well. He made fun of Obama for never hitting an annual gdp greater than 3%, but now trump is in the same boat. He said it was bad when Obama ruled by executive order, but now he does the same thing. He said Obamas low unemployment rate wasn't really low because it's all about the labor force participation rate which has remained low under trump. Republicans told me huge deficits were bad, and now trump has them over a trillion dollars. The country is as divided as ever so clearly he isn't bringing us together. On top of all this he is the least presidential president I have ever seen. Has he done anything an independent would vote for?

Must vote Trump to keep leftists out of office. The last time I voted Independent (Perot), I helped put Clinton in office. Won't do that again.

Clinton was a great president. Balanced budget, booming economy, welfare reform, huge drop in crime...

 

[there4eyeM]

That the 'D' party can't get it together to offer an appealing candidate is not an argument for voting 'R'.
Other parties and options exist.
The duopoly must be thrown out at some point.

Wake me up when that actually happens

Americans have to wake up for it to happen.

 

[Fang]

Is there any real reason I should vote trump? According to trump he is not doing well. He made fun of Obama for never hitting an annual gdp greater than 3%, but now trump is in the same boat. He said it was bad when Obama ruled by executive order, but now he does the same thing. He said Obamas low unemployment rate wasn't really low because it's all about the labor force participation rate which has remained low under trump. Republicans told me huge deficits were bad, and now trump has them over a trillion dollars. The country is as divided as ever so clearly he isn't bringing us together. On top of all this he is the least presidential president I have ever seen. Has he done anything an independent would vote for?

If you're like me your personal income has gone up substantially since Trump took office. Your profession has plenty of jobs available. You have yet to pay over $3 for a gallon of gas. You're glad to see Trump meeting with North Korea. You're glad to see a President finally take the border issue seriously. Your happy to see a President openly talk about Americans first. You're happy to see Trump take out terrorists who kill Americans. You're tired of seeing the murders of African-Americans in democrat run cites like Baltimore and most importantly you hate seeing your money thrown away on a scam impeachment trial. My own family from other countries have no issue coming to the US and getting work visas. Just to name a few. If this doesn't describe you then you're probably a closet Liberal who was never voting for Trump anyway.

Screw the MSM and lying partisan hacks. I can personally see and verify everything I've named which is why Trump will have my vote. Only YOU can answer your own question. How are you and your family doing under Trump? Don't worry about what others think. Are most things for you positive and do you want to risk changing to Joe Biden, Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren or some other Liberal?