Why schools in the United States should not re-open this fall.

[esalla]

Three Arizona teachers who shared a classroom got coronavirus. One of them died
By Jennifer Henderson, CNN 1 hr ago


Three teachers who shared a summer classroom at a school in Arizona all contracted coronavirus last month, leaving one of them dead.


Kimberley Chavez Lopez Byrd, 61, died June 26, less than two weeks after she was hospitalized. The other two teachers -- Jena Martinez and Angela Skillings -- said they're still struggling with the effects of the virus that has killed nearly 135,000 people nationwide.

All three teachers wore masks and gloves, used hand sanitizer and socially distanced, but still got sick, according to school officials at the small community in the eastern part of the state.

Gregorich reiterated the three teachers were careful and still got Covid-19.


I think that's really the message or the concern that our staff has is we can't even keep our staff safe by themselves ... how are we going to keep 20 kids in a classroom safe? I just don't see how that's possible to do that," he said.

Byrd said reopening schools will put people in their small community at risk and he does not want to see other families go through a similar experience.

"Many grandparents, wind up being caretakers to kids when they get off school- mom and dad are working and a lot of grandparents are even raising their grandchildren. So, many of these grandparents fall into this high risk category of being older with more health issues," he said.

"They have no business opening the schools to try and get back to a traditional classroom ... let's get through this pandemic first before we try to get back to normal."

Three Arizona teachers who shared a classroom got coronavirus. One of them died

Should all grocery stores be closed because store workers got corona and died.

Police officers died of Corona so abolish all cops

People in the military died of corona so give away all the weapons.

Keep snorting that heroin doofy

I'm afraid you don't understand the difference between ESSENTIAL SERVICES and NON-ESSENTIAL SERVICES. Or for that matter, EMERGENCY SERVICES and NON-EMERGENCY SERVICES.

1. Can the children of the United States survive without going to school for a year? YES

2. Can people, in an urban environment survive without getting FOOD from the grocery store? NO

3. Can most Americans survive without getting food from the Grocery store? NO

4. The Police force is necessary to defend communities from violence and death. Essential service that society depends on that must continue. Necessary for immediate survival.

5. The Military, same as the Police above.

For the average citizen to make it through to the summer of 2021, they need four things: food, water, shelter, and clothing. Isolate, and only go out to get those things.

What which is essential can be properly operated and built by kids who no longer go to school to be educated?

Nothing now please resume snorting your heroin

Keeping kids out of school for a year is NOT THE END OF THEIR EDUCATION! First things, first, you kill the virus, then you send the kids back to school.

You send kids back to school when it is SAFE to do so. You wouldn't send kids to school in a Hurricane, Tornado, Air Raid, or a Nuclear attack would you? You hunker down, Isolate, defeat the virus, then restart the schools.

This is already about to be year 2 stupid

Get back to us when you learn to count

Schools were not closed until late March in the United States when the 2019-2020 school year was almost completed. School work was completed online, and the High School class of 2020 graduated in May/June. School year completed!

WE are discussing the second year closed not the first, the top 10 percent of students will learn fine online, the other 90 percent will learn nothing and their parents or parent who can no longer work will lose their home.

You are an ignorant stupid fool, you have no kids and never will see a member of the opposite sex naked in the first place.

Keep pretending gay boy

No one will lose their home provided the government assist those that stay at home. Just as the United States sent 1/3 of its work force overseas to fight in World War II, we can keep 50% of the workforce home in order to fight the virus. Those staying home can consider themselves soldiers in the fight to defeat the virus. Government check for food, shelter, clothing will be on the way.

The government is not going to pay the mortgages of every American with children who is not working.

So your belief is delusional because in addition to mortgages are property taxes, food clothing cars and everything else that is not being paid for. It's impossible gay boy. Now tell us how many children you have with Fred

Do you know what happened in World War II? Do you realize how much government spending increased? Do your realize how much the top tax rate increased? People in the top tax bracket were paying 90% of their income in taxes.

The country has a combined wealth of over 90 Trillion dollars. The government can put the country on a war footing like it did in World War II, which will make the the rent and mortgage payments for most of the population for a year seem like peanuts.

Wrong totally as the USA has absolutely no money, just 26 soon to be 27 trillion dollars in debt much owned by CHINA, so what you are advocating is selling the entire USA to China

https://usdebtclock.org/

Nope, if you take everything that is consider an asset, minus all the liabilities, the net worth of the United States is over 90 Trillion dollars.

Again kid the USA has no money, just paper scraps that are backed by nothing. What do you want to sell to the Chinese? Would Texas and California do, because I heard they want the oil in Alaska too

Your day is coming, enjoy

China needs the United States more than the United States needs China. China only holds about 15% of total U.S. national debt. Again, when you look at the United States actual wealth, assets minus all liabilities, it comes out to 90 Trillion. Second wealthiest country is China at about 30 Trillion.

Huh? The US government does not have 90 Trillion in assets.

And if you mean that our economy produces 90 Trillion in value, that value only exists until the government tries to collect it, to pay bills.

And if you can't collect that $90 Trillion to pay bills, then it doesn't matter if it exists.

Remember, Venezuela went from richest oil rich country in south America, to impoverished hell hole, in pretty much 20 years. The more of the economy the government tried to collect, the less value there was to collect.

Value is dynamic, not static. Looking at the value of the US economy, compared to how much we owe, is utterly irrelevant. You try and confiscate the economy, and there will not be $90 Trillion in value anymore.

Hey U2 is AOC so she knows everything

 

[esalla]

Three Arizona teachers who shared a classroom got coronavirus. One of them died
By Jennifer Henderson, CNN 1 hr ago


Three teachers who shared a summer classroom at a school in Arizona all contracted coronavirus last month, leaving one of them dead.


Kimberley Chavez Lopez Byrd, 61, died June 26, less than two weeks after she was hospitalized. The other two teachers -- Jena Martinez and Angela Skillings -- said they're still struggling with the effects of the virus that has killed nearly 135,000 people nationwide.

All three teachers wore masks and gloves, used hand sanitizer and socially distanced, but still got sick, according to school officials at the small community in the eastern part of the state.

Gregorich reiterated the three teachers were careful and still got Covid-19.


I think that's really the message or the concern that our staff has is we can't even keep our staff safe by themselves ... how are we going to keep 20 kids in a classroom safe? I just don't see how that's possible to do that," he said.

Byrd said reopening schools will put people in their small community at risk and he does not want to see other families go through a similar experience.

"Many grandparents, wind up being caretakers to kids when they get off school- mom and dad are working and a lot of grandparents are even raising their grandchildren. So, many of these grandparents fall into this high risk category of being older with more health issues," he said.

"They have no business opening the schools to try and get back to a traditional classroom ... let's get through this pandemic first before we try to get back to normal."

Three Arizona teachers who shared a classroom got coronavirus. One of them died

Should all grocery stores be closed because store workers got corona and died.

Police officers died of Corona so abolish all cops

People in the military died of corona so give away all the weapons.

Keep snorting that heroin doofy

I'm afraid you don't understand the difference between ESSENTIAL SERVICES and NON-ESSENTIAL SERVICES. Or for that matter, EMERGENCY SERVICES and NON-EMERGENCY SERVICES.

1. Can the children of the United States survive without going to school for a year? YES

2. Can people, in an urban environment survive without getting FOOD from the grocery store? NO

3. Can most Americans survive without getting food from the Grocery store? NO

4. The Police force is necessary to defend communities from violence and death. Essential service that society depends on that must continue. Necessary for immediate survival.

5. The Military, same as the Police above.

For the average citizen to make it through to the summer of 2021, they need four things: food, water, shelter, and clothing. Isolate, and only go out to get those things.

What which is essential can be properly operated and built by kids who no longer go to school to be educated?

Nothing now please resume snorting your heroin

Keeping kids out of school for a year is NOT THE END OF THEIR EDUCATION! First things, first, you kill the virus, then you send the kids back to school.

You send kids back to school when it is SAFE to do so. You wouldn't send kids to school in a Hurricane, Tornado, Air Raid, or a Nuclear attack would you? You hunker down, Isolate, defeat the virus, then restart the schools.

This is already about to be year 2 stupid

Get back to us when you learn to count

Schools were not closed until late March in the United States when the 2019-2020 school year was almost completed. School work was completed online, and the High School class of 2020 graduated in May/June. School year completed!

WE are discussing the second year closed not the first, the top 10 percent of students will learn fine online, the other 90 percent will learn nothing and their parents or parent who can no longer work will lose their home.

You are an ignorant stupid fool, you have no kids and never will see a member of the opposite sex naked in the first place.

Keep pretending gay boy

No one will lose their home provided the government assist those that stay at home. Just as the United States sent 1/3 of its work force overseas to fight in World War II, we can keep 50% of the workforce home in order to fight the virus. Those staying home can consider themselves soldiers in the fight to defeat the virus. Government check for food, shelter, clothing will be on the way.

The government is not going to pay the mortgages of every American with children who is not working.

So your belief is delusional because in addition to mortgages are property taxes, food clothing cars and everything else that is not being paid for. It's impossible gay boy. Now tell us how many children you have with Fred

Do you know what happened in World War II? Do you realize how much government spending increased? Do your realize how much the top tax rate increased? People in the top tax bracket were paying 90% of their income in taxes.

The country has a combined wealth of over 90 Trillion dollars. The government can put the country on a war footing like it did in World War II, which will make the the rent and mortgage payments for most of the population for a year seem like peanuts.

The dumb ones were paying 90 percent to the govt. The smart ones were taking advantage of all the loops and gray areas within the tax code.

The unpatriotic Nazi supporting traitors were taking advantage.

I would have taken advantage also. A govt doesn't need 90 percent of the money that I earn with my sweat. The nazi would have given them their whole check. Idiots.

How patriotic of you.

1 year old murdered in Brooklyn Are you celebrating AOC

Dead dead dead defund police now, be proud

 

[Kondor3]

Better off economically? Of course not.

Better off physically? Absolutely.

Being topside of the grass is always 'better off' than being below it, eh?

If it saves the life of one precious child, I don't care if ten thousand people lose their jobs or have to stay home or go bankrupt or are foreclosed on.

Or ten million.

The lives of children are far more important than such secondary considerations.

You can always rebuild an economic position.

You cannot give back life to a dead child.

Even you know that's 100% malarkey.

The CHILDREN is the last stop before the far-left throws down the RACE CARD!

Of course there is an allowable number of fatalities, there are in everything. If there were not, then your speed limit on all expressways would be 25 mph and traffic signals would be replaced with four way stops.

Stop arguing in support of actions and behaviors that put the lives of children at risk.

Your willingness to laugh at such cautions, and your willingness to (attempt, and fail to) defend against such cautions, tells me that you are scum.

Now... phukk-off, scum... send your OWN children or grandchildren to a public school COVID incubator... you can't have mine, you piece of $hit.

 

[kyzr]

Better off economically? Of course not.

Better off physically? Absolutely.

Being topside of the grass is always 'better off' than being below it, eh?

If it saves the life of one precious child, I don't care if ten thousand people lose their jobs or have to stay home or go bankrupt or are foreclosed on.

Or ten million.

The lives of children are far more important than such secondary considerations.

You can always rebuild an economic position.

You cannot give back life to a dead child.

Even you know that's 100% malarkey.

The CHILDREN is the last stop before the far-left throws down the RACE CARD!

Of course there is an allowable number of fatalities, there are in everything. If there were not, then your speed limit on all expressways would be 25 mph and traffic signals would be replaced with four way stops.

Stop arguing in support of actions and behaviors that put the lives of children at risk.

Your willingness to laugh at such cautions, and your willingness to (attempt, and fail to) defend against such cautions, tells me that you are scum.

Now... phukk-off, scum... send your own children or grandchildren to a public school COVID incubator... you can't have mine, you piece of $hit.

1. I totally get your point that ALL lives are precious, especially children's lives.
2. However, reality dictates that we need the economy to survive too, which means people need to get back to work
3. There is a "safe" way to open schools, using masks and distancing and hand washing, but not 100% safe.
4. If you prefer to home school, or if your child has a co-morbidity (asthma, for example) then home school.
5. Pre-schools, grade schools, high schools, and colleges all have challenges to solve.
6. Name calling doesn't move the ball forward.

 

[Kondor3]

...6. Name calling doesn't move the ball forward.

True. But there is a time-and-place for moving the ball forward, and a time-and-place for calling-out those who would put children at-risk... unmistakably... emphatically.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Three Arizona teachers who shared a classroom got coronavirus. One of them died
By Jennifer Henderson, CNN 1 hr ago


Three teachers who shared a summer classroom at a school in Arizona all contracted coronavirus last month, leaving one of them dead.


Kimberley Chavez Lopez Byrd, 61, died June 26, less than two weeks after she was hospitalized. The other two teachers -- Jena Martinez and Angela Skillings -- said they're still struggling with the effects of the virus that has killed nearly 135,000 people nationwide.

All three teachers wore masks and gloves, used hand sanitizer and socially distanced, but still got sick, according to school officials at the small community in the eastern part of the state.

Gregorich reiterated the three teachers were careful and still got Covid-19.


I think that's really the message or the concern that our staff has is we can't even keep our staff safe by themselves ... how are we going to keep 20 kids in a classroom safe? I just don't see how that's possible to do that," he said.

Byrd said reopening schools will put people in their small community at risk and he does not want to see other families go through a similar experience.

"Many grandparents, wind up being caretakers to kids when they get off school- mom and dad are working and a lot of grandparents are even raising their grandchildren. So, many of these grandparents fall into this high risk category of being older with more health issues," he said.

"They have no business opening the schools to try and get back to a traditional classroom ... let's get through this pandemic first before we try to get back to normal."

Three Arizona teachers who shared a classroom got coronavirus. One of them died

ZOMG!!!! One person died!! Let's shut the country!!

Lets not get cought up in the party lies. White liberals and conservatives who are non racist performers are culpable. White Supremacy no matter what political party is the enemy!!

I read that three times and still have no idea what it says.

 

[kyzr]

...6. Name calling doesn't move the ball forward.

True. But there is a time-and-place for moving the ball forward, and a time-and-place for calling-out those who would put children at-risk... unmistakably... emphatically.

The "protective mom gene" is strong in this one. Very Good!
However, unless you have money trees to pass out to everyone for a year or two, schools need to open.
Can you imagine the separation between kids with no schooling for a year or two, versus the kids with talented and educated parents?
This virus will be with us forever more, get used to it.
Vaccines are only about 50% effective, if that.

 

[Flash]

If schools don't open then we need to be refunded a substantial portion of the school tax we pay in.

 

[esalla]

Three Arizona teachers who shared a classroom got coronavirus. One of them died
By Jennifer Henderson, CNN 1 hr ago


Three teachers who shared a summer classroom at a school in Arizona all contracted coronavirus last month, leaving one of them dead.


Kimberley Chavez Lopez Byrd, 61, died June 26, less than two weeks after she was hospitalized. The other two teachers -- Jena Martinez and Angela Skillings -- said they're still struggling with the effects of the virus that has killed nearly 135,000 people nationwide.

All three teachers wore masks and gloves, used hand sanitizer and socially distanced, but still got sick, according to school officials at the small community in the eastern part of the state.

Gregorich reiterated the three teachers were careful and still got Covid-19.


I think that's really the message or the concern that our staff has is we can't even keep our staff safe by themselves ... how are we going to keep 20 kids in a classroom safe? I just don't see how that's possible to do that," he said.

Byrd said reopening schools will put people in their small community at risk and he does not want to see other families go through a similar experience.

"Many grandparents, wind up being caretakers to kids when they get off school- mom and dad are working and a lot of grandparents are even raising their grandchildren. So, many of these grandparents fall into this high risk category of being older with more health issues," he said.

"They have no business opening the schools to try and get back to a traditional classroom ... let's get through this pandemic first before we try to get back to normal."

Three Arizona teachers who shared a classroom got coronavirus. One of them died

Should all grocery stores be closed because store workers got corona and died.

Police officers died of Corona so abolish all cops

People in the military died of corona so give away all the weapons.

Keep snorting that heroin doofy

So you're okay with spreading the pandemic without consideration of children, teachers, parents and the wider community? Students spend 6 hours inside. That's long enough to contact the virus. Grocers wear masks, but not enough customers do. Do you?

This is a typical left wing response.

It's loaded with connections that do not exist or really don't matter.

People are getting pissed at anyone who sneezes even though allergies are very high in some areas.
If people don't want to send their kids to school....fine.

If teachers don't want to teach fine (but don't pay them).

I am sure we can find qualified replacements.

The choice for teachers is your health and the health of your family, or your job. And you believe this should be the rationale for opening schools before we control this pandemic. Why did you choose to check both your common sense and your empathy at the door?

We all face it and it's really up to parents (but I forgot you left wingers are all disciples of Al "I what's best" Gore). Choice is only useful as long as people make the choice you want.

What is it that you think you actually know something and worse yet try to fool others into thinking the same.

Do you have an example of a school where it was spread ?

As the schools were shut down by responsible people in March, and less responsible people in May, there has not, thank God, been the chance for spread in schools. But using that to justify an unsafe opening is specious.

The age of COVID-19 patients has been dropping because younger people have been irresponsible when it comes to social distancing and hygiene.

Are you willing to test your expert public health theories on school kids?

Either schools open or the usa slides into a major depression

 

[toobfreak]

The United States is just as much of an island as TAIWAN. So no, TAIWAN does not have any advantage over the United States.

Oh please stop embarrassing yourself with your UTTERLY MYOPIC PARTISAN BULLSHIT. You are not convincing ANYONE here but yourself. By your tortured idiot definition, EVERY FUCKING COUNTRY ON THE PLANET is an island! There is NO comparison between the two, they are on opposite sides of the world with totally different ways and population and laws, probably totally different biogenetic circumstances plus probably even a different strain of the virus!

And they literally ARE an island, with no more area to control than about that of what, Vermont or New Hampshire?!

Your arguments are a laughable, embarrassing joke.

 

[Kondor3]

...The "protective mom gene" is strong in this one. Very Good!...

Or... protective Dad or GrandDad gene...

...However, unless you have money trees to pass out to everyone for a year or two, schools need to open...

Money is entirely immaterial and unimportant when it comes to the safety and lives of our children.

Entirely.

Personally, if it keeps your child alive, I don't care if you lose your job or business or house and live under a bridge. At least your child will be alive.

...Can you imagine the separation between kids with no schooling for a year or two, versus the kids with talented and educated parents?...

Can you imagine the separation between kids who are on OUR side of the grass and those lying BELOW it?

...This virus will be with us forever more, get used to it...

Indeed. You must get used to it. Reopening schools in areas deemed safe by sane, objective scientific and medical assessment. Virtual schooling elsewhere.

...Vaccines are only about 50% effective, if that.

Immaterial in the context of this exchange.

 

[esalla]

Three Arizona teachers who shared a classroom got coronavirus. One of them died
By Jennifer Henderson, CNN 1 hr ago


Three teachers who shared a summer classroom at a school in Arizona all contracted coronavirus last month, leaving one of them dead.


Kimberley Chavez Lopez Byrd, 61, died June 26, less than two weeks after she was hospitalized. The other two teachers -- Jena Martinez and Angela Skillings -- said they're still struggling with the effects of the virus that has killed nearly 135,000 people nationwide.

All three teachers wore masks and gloves, used hand sanitizer and socially distanced, but still got sick, according to school officials at the small community in the eastern part of the state.

Gregorich reiterated the three teachers were careful and still got Covid-19.


I think that's really the message or the concern that our staff has is we can't even keep our staff safe by themselves ... how are we going to keep 20 kids in a classroom safe? I just don't see how that's possible to do that," he said.

Byrd said reopening schools will put people in their small community at risk and he does not want to see other families go through a similar experience.

"Many grandparents, wind up being caretakers to kids when they get off school- mom and dad are working and a lot of grandparents are even raising their grandchildren. So, many of these grandparents fall into this high risk category of being older with more health issues," he said.

"They have no business opening the schools to try and get back to a traditional classroom ... let's get through this pandemic first before we try to get back to normal."

Three Arizona teachers who shared a classroom got coronavirus. One of them died

Should all grocery stores be closed because store workers got corona and died.

Police officers died of Corona so abolish all cops

People in the military died of corona so give away all the weapons.

Keep snorting that heroin doofy

I'm afraid you don't understand the difference between ESSENTIAL SERVICES and NON-ESSENTIAL SERVICES. Or for that matter, EMERGENCY SERVICES and NON-EMERGENCY SERVICES.

1. Can the children of the United States survive without going to school for a year? YES

2. Can people, in an urban environment survive without getting FOOD from the grocery store? NO

3. Can most Americans survive without getting food from the Grocery store? NO

4. The Police force is necessary to defend communities from violence and death. Essential service that society depends on that must continue. Necessary for immediate survival.

5. The Military, same as the Police above.

For the average citizen to make it through to the summer of 2021, they need four things: food, water, shelter, and clothing. Isolate, and only go out to get those things.

What which is essential can be properly operated and built by kids who no longer go to school to be educated?

Nothing now please resume snorting your heroin

Keeping kids out of school for a year is NOT THE END OF THEIR EDUCATION! First things, first, you kill the virus, then you send the kids back to school.

You send kids back to school when it is SAFE to do so. You wouldn't send kids to school in a Hurricane, Tornado, Air Raid, or a Nuclear attack would you? You hunker down, Isolate, defeat the virus, then restart the schools.

This is already about to be year 2 stupid

Get back to us when you learn to count

Schools were not closed until late March in the United States when the 2019-2020 school year was almost completed. School work was completed online, and the High School class of 2020 graduated in May/June. School year completed!

WE are discussing the second year closed not the first, the top 10 percent of students will learn fine online, the other 90 percent will learn nothing and their parents or parent who can no longer work will lose their home.

You are an ignorant stupid fool, you have no kids and never will see a member of the opposite sex naked in the first place.

Keep pretending gay boy

No one will lose their home provided the government assist those that stay at home. Just as the United States sent 1/3 of its work force overseas to fight in World War II, we can keep 50% of the workforce home in order to fight the virus. Those staying home can consider themselves soldiers in the fight to defeat the virus. Government check for food, shelter, clothing will be on the way.

The government is not going to pay the mortgages of every American with children who is not working.

So your belief is delusional because in addition to mortgages are property taxes, food clothing cars and everything else that is not being paid for. It's impossible gay boy. Now tell us how many children you have with Fred

Do you know what happened in World War II? Do you realize how much government spending increased? Do your realize how much the top tax rate increased? People in the top tax bracket were paying 90% of their income in taxes.

The country has a combined wealth of over 90 Trillion dollars. The government can put the country on a war footing like it did in World War II, which will make the the rent and mortgage payments for most of the population for a year seem like peanuts.

Wrong totally as the USA has absolutely no money, just 26 soon to be 27 trillion dollars in debt much owned by CHINA, so what you are advocating is selling the entire USA to China

https://usdebtclock.org/

Nope, if you take everything that is consider an asset, minus all the liabilities, the net worth of the United States is over 90 Trillion dollars.

Again kid the USA has no money, just paper scraps that are backed by nothing. What do you want to sell to the Chinese? Would Texas and California do, because I heard they want the oil in Alaska too

Your day is coming, enjoy

China needs the United States more than the United States needs China. China only holds about 15% of total U.S. national debt. Again, when you look at the United States actual wealth, assets minus all liabilities, it comes out to 90 Trillion. Second wealthiest country is China at about 30 Trillion.

Yo aoc are you still scared of your sink

 

[wamose]

Better off economically? Of course not.

Better off physically? Absolutely.

Being topside of the grass is always 'better off' than being below it, eh?

If it saves the life of one precious child, I don't care if ten thousand people lose their jobs or have to stay home or go bankrupt or are foreclosed on.

Or ten million.

The lives of children are far more important than such secondary considerations.

You can always rebuild an economic position.

You cannot give back life to a dead child.

Even you know that's 100% malarkey.

The CHILDREN is the last stop before the far-left throws down the RACE CARD!

Of course there is an allowable number of fatalities, there are in everything. If there were not, then your speed limit on all expressways would be 25 mph and traffic signals would be replaced with four way stops.

Stop arguing in support of actions and behaviors that put the lives of children at risk.

Your willingness to laugh at such cautions, and your willingness to (attempt, and fail to) defend against such cautions, tells me that you are scum.

Now... phukk-off, scum... send your OWN children or grandchildren to a public school COVID incubator... you can't have mine, you piece of $hit.

While I agree with your assessment of our dysfunctional and overpriced public schools, I don't agree with your conclusion. You're not considering the many unintended consequences created by shutdowns and their accompanying economic and psychological degradation.

 

[Kondor3]

Better off economically? Of course not.

Better off physically? Absolutely.

Being topside of the grass is always 'better off' than being below it, eh?

If it saves the life of one precious child, I don't care if ten thousand people lose their jobs or have to stay home or go bankrupt or are foreclosed on.

Or ten million.

The lives of children are far more important than such secondary considerations.

You can always rebuild an economic position.

You cannot give back life to a dead child.

Even you know that's 100% malarkey.

The CHILDREN is the last stop before the far-left throws down the RACE CARD!

Of course there is an allowable number of fatalities, there are in everything. If there were not, then your speed limit on all expressways would be 25 mph and traffic signals would be replaced with four way stops.

Stop arguing in support of actions and behaviors that put the lives of children at risk.

Your willingness to laugh at such cautions, and your willingness to (attempt, and fail to) defend against such cautions, tells me that you are scum.

Now... phukk-off, scum... send your OWN children or grandchildren to a public school COVID incubator... you can't have mine, you piece of $hit.

While I agree with your assessment of our dysfunctional and overpriced public schools, I don't agree with your conclusion. You're not considering the many unintended consequences created by shutdowns and their accompanying economic and psychological degradation.

To the Devil with accompanying economic and psychological degradations... such fine distinctions go out the window if it saves the lives of little children.

 

[kyzr]

...The "protective mom gene" is strong in this one. Very Good!...

Or... protective Dad or GrandDad gene...

...However, unless you have money trees to pass out to everyone for a year or two, schools need to open...

Money is entirely immaterial and unimportant when it comes to the safety and lives of our children.

Entirely.

Personally, if it keeps your child alive, I don't care if you lose your job or business or house and live under a bridge. At least your child will be alive.

...Can you imagine the separation between kids with no schooling for a year or two, versus the kids with talented and educated parents?...

Can you imagine the separation between kids who are on OUR side of the grass and those lying BELOW it?

...This virus will be with us forever more, get used to it...

Indeed. You must get used to it. Reopening schools in areas deemed safe by sane, objective scientific and medical assessment. Virtual schooling elsewhere.

...Vaccines are only about 50% effective, if that.

Immaterial in the context of this exchange.

1. Money is material, very material. People need to get back to work to survive, AND children need to be protected.
2. CDC data shows that your "nightmarish descriptions" are overblown for kids 14 and under.

Provisional COVID-19 Death Counts by Sex, Age, and State | Data | Centers for Disease Control and Prevention

data.cdc.gov

3. We seem to agree that re-opening schools is contingent upon safety. Whether HVAC systems need to be upgraded to kill viruses, or classroom air filters added, or school in day-shift and evening shift to provide adequate distancing, etc.

4. A COVID presence being the "new normal" is very relevant. It doesn't die in the summer heat like the flu. Vaccines are some comfort, but are not bullet-proof. Point being there is no "covid proof" environment going forward, so get used to it. It will be like a year-round flu season, but with a deadlier virus. New therapies are lessening the death count, but there is no escaping the risk.

 

[Kondor3]

...The "protective mom gene" is strong in this one. Very Good!...

Or... protective Dad or GrandDad gene...

...However, unless you have money trees to pass out to everyone for a year or two, schools need to open...

Money is entirely immaterial and unimportant when it comes to the safety and lives of our children.

Entirely.

Personally, if it keeps your child alive, I don't care if you lose your job or business or house and live under a bridge. At least your child will be alive.

...Can you imagine the separation between kids with no schooling for a year or two, versus the kids with talented and educated parents?...

Can you imagine the separation between kids who are on OUR side of the grass and those lying BELOW it?

...This virus will be with us forever more, get used to it...

Indeed. You must get used to it. Reopening schools in areas deemed safe by sane, objective scientific and medical assessment. Virtual schooling elsewhere.

...Vaccines are only about 50% effective, if that.

Immaterial in the context of this exchange.

1. Money is material, very material. People need to get back to work to survive, AND children need to be protected.
2. CDC data shows that your "nightmarish descriptions" are overblown for kids 14 and under.

Provisional COVID-19 Death Counts by Sex, Age, and State | Data | Centers for Disease Control and Prevention

data.cdc.gov

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3. We seem to agree that re-opening schools is contingent upon safety. Whether HVAC systems need to be upgraded to kill viruses, or classroom air filters added, or school in day-shift and evening shift to provide adequate distancing, etc.

4. A COVID presence being the "new normal" is very relevant. It doesn't die in the summer heat like the flu. Vaccines are some comfort, but are not bullet-proof. Point being there is no "covid proof" environment going forward, so get used to it. It will be like a year-round flu season, but with a deadlier virus. New therapies are lessening the death count, but there is no escaping the risk.

And, given that those stats were gleaned during a period when the schools were already CLOSED...

Those stats are going to go through the roof if you reopen schools in areas presently suffering substantial case-rates and death-rates...

The best defense against a huge rise in the death-rate for school-age children is to NOT force them to attend classes in confined spaces...

Within the domain of school districts where there is considerable risk of students becoming infected with the COVID-19 virus...

For school districts that can afford to provide Virtual Classrooms (learn-from-home)... that's the interim answer.

For school districts that cannot afford to provide Virtual Classrooms... sux to be them... time to get some funding to them NOW before the school year opens.

 

[Kondor3]

...1. Money is material, very material. People need to get back to work to survive, AND children need to be protected...

If it is a choice between you going broke and your child staying alive, I choose your child's life, every time.

If you can protect children adequately then re-open a particular school, but don't issue a blanket E.O. threatening to pull funding even if your school board says it's unsafe.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

...We would be better off with over half of the workforce staying home to homeschool their kids, whether they are qualified or not. You are an idiot if you believe that.

Better off economically? Of course not.

Better off physically? Absolutely.

Being topside of the grass is always 'better off' than being below it, eh?

If it saves the life of one precious child, I don't care if ten thousand people lose their jobs or have to stay home or go bankrupt or are foreclosed on.

Or ten million.

The lives of children are far more important than such secondary considerations.

You can always rebuild an economic position.

You cannot give back life to a dead child.

Great post Kondor3.

Yeah, destroying the American economy is always an acceptable solution to a disease with a 1/2% mortality rate! Wear you mask, maintain social distance, and wash your hands. Problem solved.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Re-opening schools in the United States this fall, could double the infection and death rate in the country.

You must have forgotten to include the reliable source and working link supporting your allegation. Without that, your post is meaningless, isn' it?

Its my own personal estimate. What is your estimate or do you even have one?

It would barely impact it. Kids are already hanging out in mass groups and quantities. You just need to protect the teachers.

Kids have parents they go home to. They are perfect at spreading the virus to their parents and Grandparents who live in their homes. Kill the parents and Grandparents, and now you have Kids that the state will have to take care of.

Kids hang out in mass quantities already and often. I have kids. I know. They can do it in school or at someone’s house or in a mall. It’s tough to have a conversation when you ignore what I write. The unknown variable is the teachers and those who cannot teach can go on disability and be replaced by those who can.

Yeah, disability makes up for their loss of income and benefits. Just keep thinking those stupid thoughts!

 

[kyzr]

...The "protective mom gene" is strong in this one. Very Good!...

Or... protective Dad or GrandDad gene...

...However, unless you have money trees to pass out to everyone for a year or two, schools need to open...

Money is entirely immaterial and unimportant when it comes to the safety and lives of our children.

Entirely.

Personally, if it keeps your child alive, I don't care if you lose your job or business or house and live under a bridge. At least your child will be alive.

...Can you imagine the separation between kids with no schooling for a year or two, versus the kids with talented and educated parents?...

Can you imagine the separation between kids who are on OUR side of the grass and those lying BELOW it?

...This virus will be with us forever more, get used to it...

Indeed. You must get used to it. Reopening schools in areas deemed safe by sane, objective scientific and medical assessment. Virtual schooling elsewhere.

...Vaccines are only about 50% effective, if that.

Immaterial in the context of this exchange.

1. Money is material, very material. People need to get back to work to survive, AND children need to be protected.
2. CDC data shows that your "nightmarish descriptions" are overblown for kids 14 and under.

Provisional COVID-19 Death Counts by Sex, Age, and State | Data | Centers for Disease Control and Prevention

data.cdc.gov

View attachment 362751

3. We seem to agree that re-opening schools is contingent upon safety. Whether HVAC systems need to be upgraded to kill viruses, or classroom air filters added, or school in day-shift and evening shift to provide adequate distancing, etc.

4. A COVID presence being the "new normal" is very relevant. It doesn't die in the summer heat like the flu. Vaccines are some comfort, but are not bullet-proof. Point being there is no "covid proof" environment going forward, so get used to it. It will be like a year-round flu season, but with a deadlier virus. New therapies are lessening the death count, but there is no escaping the risk.

And, given that those stats were gleaned during a period when the schools were already CLOSED...
Those stats are going to go through the roof if you reopen schools in areas presently suffering substantial case-rates and death-rates...
The best defense against a huge rise in the death-rate for school-age children is to NOT force them to attend classes in confined spaces...
Within the domain of school districts where there is considerable risk of students becoming infected with the COVID-19 virus...
For school districts that can afford to provide Virtual Classrooms (learn-from-home)... that's the interim answer.
For school districts that cannot afford to provide Virtual Classrooms... sux to be them... time to get some funding to them NOW before the school year opens.

1. Across the US schools closed about 3/16/20.
2. Do you think that kids are not in contact or not playing together since 3/16?
3. Agree that indoor classrooms need to be approved for COVID resistance, to reduce risk
4. Are you saying that the "new normal" is no classroom learning, all classes are virtual? Not practical.
5. Only ~66% of white kids can access online classes, and only ~50% of black kids. So parents need to either buy computers or send their kids to class. No one is "forcing" kids into classrooms. School districts are not setup for both online and in-classroom classes. Maybe the older teachers can do online, and the younger ones in-class? Maybe school districts can coordinate and combine online classes to minimize duplication? Many kids will be left behind and never catch up. Virtual classrooms are not a complete answer for all kids.
6. COVID is not going away, so lets say that "interim" is only until a vaccine is available, then its back to class, unless the parents want to home school themselves. Vaccines should be available in January, if enough doses can be produced for everyone.