Why Russia?

[Seawytch]

HI Do you really think Putin is influencing trump?
I just didn't know that all citizens of the country could be influenced from the other side of the globe.
Trump..... I can understand our politicians who after Board at us, go to live to you that t them didn't hang up, but your politicians don't leave anywhere, what sense to them it is bad to do to the country in which they will live?

Trump, right now, is comprised by Russia. Trump has had repeated meetings with Putin where the only record of what was discussed resides with the Russian government. That means Russia can say anything transpired in those meetings and the U.S. has no proof to the contrary. Additionally, Russia knows Trump is hiding the details of the meetings from the U.S. compromising him further.

 

[SandSquid]

We've been hearing for over the last two years how "Russian trolls/bots are trying to influence our elections with their propaganda." I also expect that we'll be hearing it more as the 2020 election grown near.

But I can't for the life of me figure out the logic behind that often-repeated phrase. Can someone please provide a valid reason why Russia would rather have a President Trump in office, as opposed to any of the socialist-leaning Democrats who will be running?

This makes absolutely no sense.

Well lets see... It's not "people" making those claims, it's Trumps CIA, NSA, FBI and ODNI all in their own investigations proving it, with evidence saying that is what happened. Evidence collected by the UK, Germany, Estonia, Poland, and Australia, the Netherlands and France who relayed their discoveries to the U.S.


As for why, the intelligence agencies have made that clear. It was to retaliate against the percieved US intervention in Russian affairs with the 2011-2013 protests and outsing of Yanukovych in the 2014 Ukraine Crisis.

Now the question is why did Flynn try hiding these connections? Why did Popodoupolous try hiding these connections? Why did Jeff Sessions try hiding these connections? Why did Trump Jr try hiding these connections? Why did Manafort try hiding these connections? Why did Gates try hiding these connections? Why did Page try hiding these connections? Why did so many of these people from Trump to Kushner, to Scarramucci to Tellerson try hiding their business deals with Russia in this time?

 

[anynameyouwish]

We've been hearing for over the last two years how "Russian trolls/bots are trying to influence our elections with their propaganda." I also expect that we'll be hearing it more as the 2020 election grown near.

But I can't for the life of me figure out the logic behind that often-repeated phrase. Can someone please provide a valid reason why Russia would rather have a President Trump in office, as opposed to any of the socialist-leaning Democrats who will be running?

This makes absolutely no sense.

because socialist LEANING democrats in America love America and are not puppets to AUTHORITARIAN EVIL russia.

 

[JGalt]

HI Do you really think Putin is influencing trump?
I just didn't know that all citizens of the country could be influenced from the other side of the globe.
Trump..... I can understand our politicians who after Board at us, go to live to you that t them didn't hang up, but your politicians don't leave anywhere, what sense to them it is bad to do to the country in which they will live?

And why Russia? I answer because a long time ago the Soviet Union could have destroyed the United States. And US citizens need to be made to fear Putin, it is necessary for your politicians, as it was when the Soviets were one . But this is a lie now, because Russia-Putin is not the Soviet Union-Stalin, we are now capitalists, and therefore we are controlled by the same banks, not idealists.

I can understand why Russia would much rather see a capitalist businessman as the American President, rather than some capitalism-hating socialist like the Democrats seem intent on running. That makes good sense because when the US prospers, the world prospers.

But the idea that Russian propaganda somehow changing a bunch of American voter's minds, thereby causing Trump to win, is pure lunacy. That fallacy is nothing more than an excuse for Hillary Clinton, who ran a piss-poor campaign.

 

[CAUTION]

It's not the presidents who run the country
Very South Of Russia

 

[SandSquid]

HI Do you really think Putin is influencing trump?
I just didn't know that all citizens of the country could be influenced from the other side of the globe.
Trump..... I can understand our politicians who after Board at us, go to live to you that t them didn't hang up, but your politicians don't leave anywhere, what sense to them it is bad to do to the country in which they will live?

And why Russia? I answer because a long time ago the Soviet Union could have destroyed the United States. And US citizens need to be made to fear Putin, it is necessary for your politicians, as it was when the Soviets were one . But this is a lie now, because Russia-Putin is not the Soviet Union-Stalin, we are now capitalists, and therefore we are controlled by the same banks, not idealists.

I don't know if he is. Sadly trump has removed even interpreters from those private meetings with Putin so no one can find out. I mean who's the President now fighting back against sanctions on Russia for that election meddling? The one dropping the entire Ukraine situation? The one fighting to turn the news cycle against any anti-Russian reports, and to things like "12 people kneeled during the anthem". Who's the one that is throwing out the FBI, NSA, CIA, and almost a dozen foreign US ally intelligence reports and saying he believes Putin?

And you are asking what sense it is for someone like Rex Tillerson who has a massive investment in Russian State owned oil company Rosneft to help the country where his money is invested? Or why Flynn might want his investment into that nuclear deal with Rosoboron, a Russian state owned arms exporter under US sanctions helped? I mean that should be self-evident.

What sense Russia would want having made clear with Putin that they oppose NATO to have leadership in the US adding to their criticism of it? Why would they want an America that has long opposed their spread and influence to instead of promote America on a global scale turn to nationalism and give them more potential room to influence around the world? Why they would want leadership in America that would turn away from Syria and the Ukraine and let them expand their influence?




You say a long time ago Russia could have destroyed the US. Yes and it would have destroyed Russia as well. So we tried hurting each other instead without mutually assured destruction.

If you can't beat your enemy on the battlefield, go into your adversary, win over their populations and help elect officials that are sympathetic to the Russian viewpoint, and tie up your enemy, essentially, with politics and infighting. It was literally our cold war policy and now being used against us.

I mean here we are... Our elections influenced, government information hacked, Russia in a cold war style expansion of influence across countries, attempting to suppress voters, hacking state-voter registration systems... The foundation of the US under attack, and we are tied up arguing over if it's a fence or a wall, rather than responding.

And I get it. There's thousands of Kremlin run facebook pages, twitter handles, influence into groups like the NRA by Russian spies telling us that Putin is really a good guy and his government subverting voting in America isn't bad and don't worry about that. And they have hundreds of thousands of followers in the US, believing them over our allies, our CIA, our NSA, our FBI, our leaders. Then people start spouting those same Russian led stories in the US. And the best part is they throw in the hook with "I don't see how citizens of the country could be influenced from the other side of the globe." as they spread the information the other side of the globe wants spread to undermine the US.

 

[CAUTION]

And if everything is simpler, that the US has accumulated a lot of problems that need to be solved, and Russia has nothing to do with it?
If the US does not stand up to the role of a global benefactor, if the state Department's policy towards the world is outdated? And not working?
Look at the world around, how many wars there are, much more than when the US opposed the USSR.
The United States has forgotten that they must lead the world to freedom, now wherever the boots of the United States came there war breaks out.
Either the United States will once again direct the world to freedom, or die as the USSR
Like you, we did not believe that the Union would complete its work

Sanctions against Russia make Russia stronger, now you want to block money on our cards, before we kept savings in dollars, now we will store in rubles.
Our money will remain in our pockets, and your banks will lose our deposits.
Maybe you need to pursue a different policy
For example, not to force the Russian to fight against each other, and try other methods???

Influence on the policies of other countries we learn from you, we are good students, and usually we are superior to the teachers.
We respond to your actions by your methods, and any action can not be carried out if everything is well in your country.
You shouldn't be afraid of us, you should be afraid of yourself, of what you can do to yourself, we will never do.
About Putin's trolls I came here to see what Americans think about us, because what is shown in the media-it is everywhere and always propaganda, and to understand the events in the world, you need to know what people think on both sides of the ocean. The FSB is not such a large number of people to settle on each site trolls

 

[jc456]

We've been hearing for over the last two years how "Russian trolls/bots are trying to influence our elections with their propaganda." I also expect that we'll be hearing it more as the 2020 election grown near.

But I can't for the life of me figure out the logic behind that often-repeated phrase. Can someone please provide a valid reason why Russia would rather have a President Trump in office, as opposed to any of the socialist-leaning Democrats who will be running?

This makes absolutely no sense.

None of the Dems that will be running will suck up to Putin near as much as Trump did in Helsinki.

Seriously though, in reality they do not care who wins, with Russia it is not about a single election, it is about undermining the confidence of the nation in their entire system of transitioning power. We are not the first country they have done this to.

How did Trump "suck up" to Putin? What has he given him and how has Putin benefited from Trump being in office?

Are you kidding me? How about by sucking Putin's ass the entire campaign?

Donald Trump has once again defended Vladimir Putin against accusations that he is a killer, telling Fox News: “We’ve got a lot of killers. What, do you think our country’s so innocent?”

Donald Trump repeats respect for 'killer' Putin in Fox Super Bowl interview

So you're saying sucking Putin's ass is illegal?

Dumbass, we are discussing why Putin likes Trump over Democrats.

Read thread before you throw your useless cents.

what was this?

Clinton 'reset button' gift to Russian FM gets lost in translation

"(CNN) - When it comes to Russia, the Obama administration has been talking about “pressing the reset button.” It’s meant to symbolize a possible new start in U.S./Russian relations, which “crashed” after Russia invaded Georgia last August"

Are you saying that Russia really didn't want the reset button and work with Hitlery as commander in chief? that this was the reason they went after Trump? Is that what you're saying?

or how about this one..


So that all scared the russians to trump?

 

[Lesh]

HI Do you really think Putin is influencing trump?
I just didn't know that all citizens of the country could be influenced from the other side of the globe.
Trump..... I can understand our politicians who after Board at us, go to live to you that t them didn't hang up, but your politicians don't leave anywhere, what sense to them it is bad to do to the country in which they will live?

And why Russia? I answer because a long time ago the Soviet Union could have destroyed the United States. And US citizens need to be made to fear Putin, it is necessary for your politicians, as it was when the Soviets were one . But this is a lie now, because Russia-Putin is not the Soviet Union-Stalin, we are now capitalists, and therefore we are controlled by the same banks, not idealists.

I don't know if he is. Sadly trump has removed even interpreters from those private meetings with Putin so no one can find out. I mean who's the President now fighting back against sanctions on Russia for that election meddling? The one dropping the entire Ukraine situation? The one fighting to turn the news cycle against any anti-Russian reports, and to things like "12 people kneeled during the anthem". Who's the one that is throwing out the FBI, NSA, CIA, and almost a dozen foreign US ally intelligence reports and saying he believes Putin?

And you are asking what sense it is for someone like Rex Tillerson who has a massive investment in Russian State owned oil company Rosneft to help the country where his money is invested? Or why Flynn might want his investment into that nuclear deal with Rosoboron, a Russian state owned arms exporter under US sanctions helped? I mean that should be self-evident.

What sense Russia would want having made clear with Putin that they oppose NATO to have leadership in the US adding to their criticism of it? Why would they want an America that has long opposed their spread and influence to instead of promote America on a global scale turn to nationalism and give them more potential room to influence around the world? Why they would want leadership in America that would turn away from Syria and the Ukraine and let them expand their influence?




You say a long time ago Russia could have destroyed the US. Yes and it would have destroyed Russia as well. So we tried hurting each other instead without mutually assured destruction.

If you can't beat your enemy on the battlefield, go into your adversary, win over their populations and help elect officials that are sympathetic to the Russian viewpoint, and tie up your enemy, essentially, with politics and infighting. It was literally our cold war policy and now being used against us.

I mean here we are... Our elections influenced, government information hacked, Russia in a cold war style expansion of influence across countries, attempting to suppress voters, hacking state-voter registration systems... The foundation of the US under attack, and we are tied up arguing over if it's a fence or a wall, rather than responding.

And I get it. There's thousands of Kremlin run facebook pages, twitter handles, influence into groups like the NRA by Russian spies telling us that Putin is really a good guy and his government subverting voting in America isn't bad and don't worry about that. And they have hundreds of thousands of followers in the US, believing them over our allies, our CIA, our NSA, our FBI, our leaders. Then people start spouting those same Russian led stories in the US. And the best part is they throw in the hook with "I don't see how citizens of the country could be influenced from the other side of the globe." as they spread the information the other side of the globe wants spread to undermine the US.

Couldn’t have said it better. Thank you

 

[The Original Tree]

Obama was more of a threat to American Democracy
So were 5 Million Illegal Aliens voting in our last presidential election.

 

[Lesh]

Obama was more of a threat to American Democracy
So were 5 Million Illegal Aliens voting in our last presidential election.

Save us the Trumper/Kremlin fantasies...