why mental health checks for guns can't pass muster....

[2aguy]

Criminals will be criminals that's why they are called criminals no Amount of new laws will change that.dumbass

So....why do you lock your doors?

Don't need to, I live in north western South Dakota. I don't even know if I have a key to my home doors haven't locked them in years...

That's great, S. Dakota residents don't need guns if what you say is true. Sadly, S. Dakota isn't NY or CA or any other state in our nation. Thus, let's toss out Heller and allow we the people in each state and each city / county to decide on who can and who cannot own, possess or have in their custody and control a gun, how it must be stored and the type of firearm legally possessed.

And like the old South you would have been one of the guys determining how blacks should be allowed to vote...how much they paid in Poll Taxes and what kind of Literacy test they had to take...then people like you would determine where on a bus a black could sit...

We know how you nuts feel about basic human Rights and that is why they had to spell them out for you in the Bill of Rights.......twit.

What does any of your babble have to do with just checking to see if someone is a criminal or mentally ill.

This is the part I don't get. No one wants either group with access to fire arms. A majority of NRA members support background checks. The public overwhelming supports them.

And yet the gun fanatics oppose even this. Just checking to see if someone is legally allowed to buy a gun is an 'undue burden' to them. That's how ludicriously skewed they've become.

Merely *checking* if the person trying to buy a gun is violent felon.....is too much to ask of them.

See....that is untrue....normal gun owners and NRA members who do not research the issue support background checks...that would be checking to see if someone has a felony or mental health condition that makes them violent and too dangerous to have a gun......

What you mean by background checks is what the anti gun leadership means...they want background checks not on "Sales' of guns...but on all "transfers" of guns...that means you can't sell to a friend or family member without the added cost of taking them to a gun store or police station...if they will even do one for you at whatever cost...it means they want only large corporate companies teaching gun safety which will deny firearm training to isolated people who don't live close to a range....

And it will mean that the poor will be prevented from owning and carrying guns because of the extra cost of background checks and in cities in Chicago..that do not allow gun stores...they won't have access to anyplace to buy or get a background check.....it will cost them more to travel to get it done.....

And in order to monitor all "transfers" you will need to register all guns....and this is what normal gun owners do not understand.....this is what the anti gun leadership wants universal background checks for.....since background checks do not stop criminals from getting guns and they know it.......

So no....background checks are not a simple issue...and like mental health background checks, what an anti gunner means and what a 2nd Amendment supporter thinks are two completely different things....

 

[PaintMyHouse]

You mean no guns for citizens, right? Only the government should have gun, right?

Nope. Only people who need to kill things. You know, why guns were invented and that's not most people.

That is a great image...gets right to the point....

Except, it's a flat-out lie...

Yeah, the socialist regime that was the Nazis didn't kill people...
Lol

Fascist, and they liked guns, just not for their enemies, same as you...

 

[PaintMyHouse]

I'll make it easy for ya. Do you want criminals and ISIS well-armed, yes or no?

I don't care as long as i have resources. hmmmm, thought I made that claim already. I want and equal chance against them and today I have that available to me and I'll fight you and yours harder to maintain that. Again, you don't have the numbers.

It's a yes or no question, that an honest man can answer. Be a man, for once.

Or women...

So you want ISIS and criminals to be well-armed, therefore equal. Got it.

again, dude it's so far over your head even a jetliner flying between Boston and San Fran is too low.

I'll make it easy for ya. Do you want criminals and ISIS well-armed, yes or no?

 

[2aguy]

Criminals will be criminals that's why they are called criminals no Amount of new laws will change that.dumbass

So....why do you lock your doors?

Don't need to, I live in north western South Dakota. I don't even know if I have a key to my home doors haven't locked them in years...

That's great, S. Dakota residents don't need guns if what you say is true. Sadly, S. Dakota isn't NY or CA or any other state in our nation. Thus, let's toss out Heller and allow we the people in each state and each city / county to decide on who can and who cannot own, possess or have in their custody and control a gun, how it must be stored and the type of firearm legally possessed.

And like the old South you would have been one of the guys determining how blacks should be allowed to vote...how much they paid in Poll Taxes and what kind of Literacy test they had to take...then people like you would determine where on a bus a black could sit...

We know how you nuts feel about basic human Rights and that is why they had to spell them out for you in the Bill of Rights.......twit.

What does any of your babble have to do with just checking to see if someone is a criminal or mentally ill.

This is the part I don't get. No one wants either group with access to fire arms. A majority of NRA members support background checks. The public overwhelming supports them.

And yet the gun fanatics oppose even this. Just checking to see if someone is legally allowed to buy a gun is an 'undue burden' to them. That's how ludicriously skewed they've become.

Merely *checking* if the person trying to buy a gun is violent felon.....is too much to ask of them.

Merely *checking* if the person trying to buy a gun is violent felon.....is too much to ask of them

Yeah...that isn't what you guys want......that is how you lie about background checks...you want registration of all guns and owners and background checks is how you will do it......since they changed background checks for all "Sales" to background checks for all "transfers".....and therefore you will need to register all guns to achieve that....

 

[2aguy]

I don't care as long as i have resources. hmmmm, thought I made that claim already. I want and equal chance against them and today I have that available to me and I'll fight you and yours harder to maintain that. Again, you don't have the numbers.

It's a yes or no question, that an honest man can answer. Be a man, for once.

Or women...

So you want ISIS and criminals to be well-armed, therefore equal. Got it.

again, dude it's so far over your head even a jetliner flying between Boston and San Fran is too low.

I'll make it easy for ya. Do you want criminals and ISIS well-armed, yes or no?

Nope. And the only way to do that is to kill isis and lock up gun criminals.

 

[Rustic]

Nope. Only people who need to kill things. You know, why guns were invented and that's not most people.

That is a great image...gets right to the point....

Except, it's a flat-out lie...

Yeah, the socialist regime that was the Nazis didn't kill people...
Lol

Fascist, and they liked guns, just not for their enemies, same as you...

Socialist fascist dictatorship same difference

 

[Rustic]

I don't care as long as i have resources. hmmmm, thought I made that claim already. I want and equal chance against them and today I have that available to me and I'll fight you and yours harder to maintain that. Again, you don't have the numbers.

It's a yes or no question, that an honest man can answer. Be a man, for once.

Or women...

So you want ISIS and criminals to be well-armed, therefore equal. Got it.

again, dude it's so far over your head even a jetliner flying between Boston and San Fran is too low.

I'll make it easy for ya. Do you want criminals and ISIS well-armed, yes or no?

Better arm their women then...
Lol

 

[2aguy]

You mean no guns for citizens, right? Only the government should have gun, right?

Nope. Only people who need to kill things. You know, why guns were invented and that's not most people.

Not true, even there. Hitler liked guns, repealed gun control laws, for all but his enemies of course. Do you want your enemies well-armed, yes or no? Gee, Hitler had the same answer...

Another flat-out lie:

Fake Quote Files: Adolf Hitler on Gun Registration, Conquest and Disarmament

Yes......you are right...the guns were registered in the Weimar Republic....they told the people they did not need guns and that the police and military would protect them...then, when hitler came in, he used the lists created 20 years earlier to round up the guns of Jews and his political enemies.....and allowed nazis to own and carry guns...

And then he sent the Jews and his enemies into gas chambers.......

 

[M14 Shooter]

The most obvious response to all this....
It's not illegal for a person with " a history" of a mental disorder to buy a gun.
Involuntary commitment to an institution? Sure. "A history"? Nope.
This, no background checks will prevent him from doing so.

 

[2aguy]

Must have been why we dismissed the Iraqi army, and took their weapons away. Common sense, really.

And that kept guns out of the hands of the terrorists...right....how did that work out?

 

[PaintMyHouse]

It's a yes or no question, that an honest man can answer. Be a man, for once.

Or women...

So you want ISIS and criminals to be well-armed, therefore equal. Got it.

again, dude it's so far over your head even a jetliner flying between Boston and San Fran is too low.

I'll make it easy for ya. Do you want criminals and ISIS well-armed, yes or no?

Nope. And the only way to do that is to kill isis and lock up gun criminals.

No, you don't want ISIS and criminals to be well-armed? Another fuckin' gun hatin' freak.

Damn gun control Nazis...

 

[Rustic]

Hell, the government can't even spend our money in a responsible manner, putting them in charge of background checks...
Lol

 

[2aguy]

The most obvious response to all this....
It's not illegal for a person with " a history" of a mental disorder to buy a gun.
Involuntary commitment to an institution? Sure. "A history"? Nope.
This, no background checks will prevent him from doing so.

Thanks M14.....you put out the correct way to do this.....

 

[jc456]

This is one reason mental health checks for gun purchases can't pass muster.......they take too long. and the number of normal people buying guns vs. the criminals and crazies make it an undue burden on the Rights of law abiding citizens......which is why anti gun leadership is pushing for them......and their minions are following their lead...

As the article points out...this same tactic was used to disarm blacks after Republicans freed them.......the democrats kept blacks from getting guns through techniques like this.......

"Klan Compromise" Forces Sheriff To Break Gun Laws In NC

North Carolina’s relatively new (December 1, 2015) requirement to have mental health background checks on handgun purchasers hasn’t saved any lives, but it sure has created a mess as antiquated record-keeping systems run headlong into legal requirements for a timely search compounded by the demands of the North Carolina Sheriff’s Association to keep a Jim Crow-era pistol permitting system in place last year.

It may soon take as long to get a handgun as it does to get a machine gun. This is entirely absurd.

To get a gun permit in Mecklenburg County, there is a wait.

“It takes 10 days in California, six to seven weeks in Mecklenburg and now were hearing it might be six months,” said Larry Hyatt, gun store owner. “It’s totally unacceptable.”

Hyatt runs one of the busiest gun stores in the country. But there is nothing busy about a shelf in his store.
“These are handguns on hold while people are waiting for their permits,” Hyatt said while pointing at guns. “And this is just the G’s and H’s. There is almost 500 handguns waiting for permits.”

The number of permit requests flowing through the clerk’s office has been consistent, averaging 130 per month. But then in December, the number exploded to more than 2,000. And last month it was more than 2,500.

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Part of that compromise gave sheriffs only 14 days to approve or deny permits. The problem is the mental health checks have been taking far longer than two weeks.

“So it kind of puts us in a dilemma,” said Sheriff Irwin Carmichael, Mecklenburg County. “So we go ahead and issue permits and let everyone know in 14 days or wait till we get all of this medical information back? I’m always going to err on the side of safety.”

Translation: the new law is forcing the sheriff to break the law to keep the public safe.

So rather than speed up the mental health background checks.....you insist that we have none?

Same with criminal background checks I suppose?

And do you even bother with locks on your doors? Even bother to lock the doors on your car? Because you know those can be circumvented.

Criminals will be criminals that's why they are called criminals no Amount of new laws will change that.dumbass

So....why do you lock your doors?

Don't need to, I live in north western South Dakota. I don't even know if I have a key to my home doors haven't locked them in years...

That's great, S. Dakota residents don't need guns if what you say is true. Sadly, S. Dakota isn't NY or CA or any other state in our nation. Thus, let's toss out Heller and allow we the people in each state and each city / county to decide on who can and who cannot own, possess or have in their custody and control a gun, how it must be stored and the type of firearm legally possessed.

too funny, then what if I as a US citizen walk into your state I have to know your rules, nope not smart or doable.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Must have been why we dismissed the Iraqi army, and took their weapons away. Common sense, really.

And that kept guns out of the hands of the terrorists...right....how did that work out?

How is allowing them have guns working out? Oh, not so well you say. Imagine that...

 

[jc456]

vehicles do.

Again, not weapons.

so, I answered your question. Why does it matter its purpose if it achieves the same outcome?

The purpose of a gun is to kill. Like a biological weapon you don't need that to go to the Walmart, especially when no one else has one either.

No...wrong again...the purpose of the gun is to save the life of the user. And many times it is never even fired to save the life....

Just drop that lie, it's nonsense.

it's spot on.

 

[2aguy]

The most obvious response to all this....
It's not illegal for a person with " a history" of a mental disorder to buy a gun.
Involuntary commitment to an institution? Sure. "A history"? Nope.
This, no background checks will prevent him from doing so.

But sadly...if that is the standard...the prerequisites for involuntary committment will become pretty arbitrary once the gun grabbers get the power to do it.......they will take any good faith attempt to limit access and turn it against normal gun owners...

 

[2aguy]

Must have been why we dismissed the Iraqi army, and took their weapons away. Common sense, really.

And that kept guns out of the hands of the terrorists...right....how did that work out?

How is allowing them have guns working out? Oh, not so well you say. Imagine that...

isis...we aren't allowing them to have guns...they are getting them despite what we want...just like criminals.....

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Again, not weapons.

so, I answered your question. Why does it matter its purpose if it achieves the same outcome?

The purpose of a gun is to kill. Like a biological weapon you don't need that to go to the Walmart, especially when no one else has one either.

No...wrong again...the purpose of the gun is to save the life of the user. And many times it is never even fired to save the life....

Just drop that lie, it's nonsense.

it's spot on.

It's total nonsense, to try and deny why the gun, a weapon of war, was invented.

 

[Rustic]