Why low income whites usually vote for Trump

[Woodznutz]

The last time Donald Trump was president, he travelled to Youngstown, Ohio, among the most depressed of America’s rust belt cities, and promised voters the impossible.

The high-paying steel, railroad and car industry jobs that once made Youngstown a hard-living, hard-drinking blue-collar boom town were coming back, he said. “Don’t move. Don’t sell your house,” he crowed to a rapturous crowd in 2017. “We’re going to fill up those factories – or rip ”em down and build brand new ones”.

None of that happened. Indeed, within 18 months, General Motors (GM) announced that it was suspending operations at its one remaining manufacturing plant outside Youngstown, throwing 5,000 jobs into jeopardy in a community with little else to cling to. Trump’s reaction was to say the closure didn’t matter, because the jobs would be replaced “in, like, two minutes”.

That, too, did not happen. People moved away, marriages broke down, depression soared and, locals say, a handful of people took their own lives.

Ordinarily, politicians who promise the moon and fail to deliver get punished at the ballot box. But that did not happen to Trump either. Instead, he has steadily built up his popularity in Youngstown, a city that was once a well-oiled Democratic party machine but has now turned into one of his most remarkable bases of working-class support.

“Does [Trump] understand at all what you’re going through?” Joe Biden asked Ohio voters during the 2020 presidential campaign, referring directly to the GM closure. “Does he see you where you are and where you want to be? Does he care?”

To which the answer, in Youngstown, has been an astonishing and vigorous “yes”.

‘There are a lot of bitter people here, I’m one of them’: rust belt voters on why they backed Trump again despite his broken promises | Donald Trump | The Guardian

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Arthur Jensen gave this interview to Jared Taylor in 1992. It is still as timely and relevant as the day it was recorded.

people have been taught from early childhood — and it’s especially true of better-educated people — that all people are essentially the same, except for very superficial differences due to their social background and advantages in upbringing and so forth…

Once you get below IQs of 80 or 75, which is the cut-off for mental retardation in the California School System, children are put into special classes. These persons are not really educable up to a level for which there’s any economic demand.

A Conversation with Arthur Jensen - American Renaissance

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Professor Jensen is mainly known for his writing about racial differences in average intelligence. What he has to say about IQs below 80 or 75 is equally true of the poorly educated whites Trump pretends to love, and who do love him.

As long as there were strong unions for factory workers, and plenty of factory jobs, white men with low IQs who could tolerate boredom for eight hours a day could earn reasonably good incomes. This is not true any more, as the following graph illustrates.

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Trump tells unemployed factory workers lies to give them hope of getting factory jobs. When they do not get factory jobs, he gives them people to hate.

There are lots of factory jobs open around the country but one has to relocated (and possibly retrain) to get them.

 

[Hector12]

Obama and the Democrats literally took over General Motors, even getting politicians jobs in the management of GM.

An assertion like that requires documentation.

 

[bendog]

The dems have already made it so the poor will never be able to afford a home due to the millions of illegals they allowed in competing for the cheaper housing the poor could once afford.

Rent is stupid high all up and down the Shenandoah Valley now due to all the illegals working in poultry and warehousing operations.

Why would the poor vote for more of that?

The progs so love people with less education and less pay raising kids.

 

[Hector12]

The way you attack them for that, is a manifestation of YOUR class bigotry and assholeness.


It is one thing to have a difference of opinion with someone, or even a conflict of interests with them. You don't have to be an asshole about it.

You direct insults at me.

I do not direct insults at you.

 

[Hector12]

All poor people think they’d benefit from socialism…(ask Venenzuelans)

Poor people benefit from social democracy with its socialized medicine.

 

[Hector12]

The more education one has, and presumably the more intelligence one has, the more likely one is to vote Democrat.

Pew Research Center, July 12, 2023

As was the case in the 2018 midterms, voters with and without college degrees each accounted for roughly half of the Democratic Party’s voters in 2022 (51% held college degrees while 49% did not).

By contrast, a majority of Republican voters in 2022 had no college degree (63%); a smaller share had a college degree or more (37%). This is similar to the shares of Republican voters with and without a college degree in 2018.

3. Demographic profiles of Republican and Democratic voters

American Trends Panel: Pew Research Center’s online probability survey panel, which consists of more than 12,000 adults who take two to three surveys each

www.pewresearch.org

 

[Correll]

You direct insults at me.

I do not direct insults at you.

My point was not to insult you but to make the point. YOu and yours have been assholes to the white working class. As I described.

If you are an asshole to someone or a group and then you whine about them NOT supporting your politically, that's a you problem, their actions make sense.


YOU clearly are hostile to them, in that scenario. So, why are you acting like it doesn't?

Oh wait, you just focused on the "insult" to avoid addressing my point, that was just your way of dodging.


You want to address the point now, or play some more sillly games?

 

[Hector12]

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Factories that operate successfully in the United States use factory robots.

 

[Correll]

Pew Research Center, July 12, 2023

As was the case in the 2018 midterms, voters with and without college degrees each accounted for roughly half of the Democratic Party’s voters in 2022 (51% held college degrees while 49% did not).

By contrast, a majority of Republican voters in 2022 had no college degree (63%); a smaller share had a college degree or more (37%). This is similar to the shares of Republican voters with and without a college degree in 2018.

3. Demographic profiles of Republican and Democratic voters

American Trends Panel: Pew Research Center’s online probability survey panel, which consists of more than 12,000 adults who take two to three surveys each

www.pewresearch.org

Is that reflecting the impact of intelligence, or the impact of indoctrination in education, or the social pressure to confrom in lib dominated industries, or anti-conservative discrimination in education admissions by lefties?

 

[Correll]

Factories that operate successfully in the United States use factory robots.

You continually search for reasons to NOT give working class whites ANY policy support for their economic interests.

And are unable to understand why they don't support your policy agenda.


It's a mystery to you. Despite your education and intelligence.

 

[westwall]

It seems like I hit a raw nerve writing about unemployed and unemployable factory workers voting for Trump.

No, you just demonstrated that you, and your fellow Marxists, are not smart at all. While you may have a partial education, your critical thinking skills are lacking.

Thus you support a political system that requires mass murder to force its policies on the subjugated.

 

[Hector12]

My point was not to insult you but to make the point. YOu and yours have been assholes to the white working class. As I described.

If you are an asshole to someone or a group and then you whine about them NOT supporting your politically, that's a you problem, their actions make sense.


YOU clearly are hostile to them, in that scenario. So, why are you acting like it doesn't?

Oh wait, you just focused on the "insult" to avoid addressing my point, that was just your way of dodging.


You want to address the point now, or play some more sillly games?

I have worked as a construction laborer, I have moved furniture, I have been a desk clerk in a motel and a security guard. I know from personal experience that Republican tax cuts for the rich do not benefit low income people.

Tax cuts for the rich raise the national debt, which enables Republicans to cut programs that would benefit low income people, like universal health care, and more generous pensions.

 

[Hector12]

No, you just demonstrated that you, and your fellow Marxists, are not smart at all. While you may have a partial education, your critical thinking skills are lacking.

Thus you support a political system that requires mass murder to force its policies on the subjugated.

I like social democracy, not Communism. Communism does not prove that social democracy does not work; it probes that a dictatorship is an unacceptable government for a command economy.

 

[Hector12]

No, you just demonstrated that you, and your fellow Marxists, are not smart at all. While you may have a partial education, your critical thinking skills are lacking.

Thus you support a political system that requires mass murder to force its policies on the subjugated.

I have read enough of the works of Karl Marx to disagree with most of it. Therefore, I cannot be called a Marxist.

 

[westwall]

I like social democracy, not Communism. Communism does not prove that social democracy does not work; it probes that a dictatorship is an unacceptable government for a command economy.

Call it by whatever name you want, it is Marxism. Unlike you I am both highly educated, and adept at critical thinking.

 

[Correll]

I have worked as a construction laborer, I have moved furniture, I have been a desk clerk in a motel and a security guard. I know from personal experience that Republican tax cuts for the rich do not benefit low income people.

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Tax cuts for the rich raise the national debt, which enables Republicans to cut programs that would benefit low income people, like universal health care, and more generous pensions.

And you dodged the point again. This is YOUR thread and YOUR topic I am addressing.

You just dodged your own topic.


The point is not to get you to agree with maga. That isn't going to happen.


YOUR hostility to the working class but personally in your insults and your opposition to their interests makes their political opposition to you, completely reasonable and understandable.


That you instead want to try to spin their behavior as stupid, based on YOUR perceptions and beliefs, is just you being a class bigot and close minded.

 

[westwall]

I have read enough of the works of Karl Marx to disagree with most of it. Therefore, I cannot be called a Marxist.

The policies you support are Marxist. They always have been. You accept the core philosophy of Marxism, while claiming your denial of the mere trappings makes you non Marxist.

It doesn't work that way, skippy.

 

[sartre play]

Things have been shifting for a long time, Away from electing people for their knowledge and skills
And moving towards Political party propaganda,
Vote party not best person. So now most work for them self's or the party.
Not in the best interest of US, the 70% who do the every day work.

 

[Hector12]

The policies you support are Marxist. They always have been. You accept the core philosophy of Marxism, while claiming your denial of the mere trappings makes you non Marxist.

It doesn't work that way, skippy.

Karl Marx believed that revolutions, which will often be violent, are necessary to achieve beneficial changes. I agree with Edmund Burke in preferring peaceful, evolutionary changes.

 

[80zephyr]

Small all white nations can pull it off. I don’t know how, but they do.

Nordic Countries Aren’t Actually Socialist​

Nordic Countries Aren’t Actually Socialist

Denmark, Norway, and Sweden shouldn’t be held up as socialist utopias.

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