Why liberals hate values

[rtwngAvngr]

In as much as family/traditional values teach personal responsibility, commitment, self-reliance and faith in god, they are anathema to the liberal agenda. For the libs to empower themselves through government, they need weak citizens, who can't take care of themselves. Responsible, successful people don't need government to the extent libs wish to push it down our throats. Therefore, libs try to do away with anything that makes people succesful without government help, like morals, and values.

 

[Bullypulpit]

Originally posted by rtwngAvngr
In as much as family/traditional values teach personal responsibility, commitment, self-reliance and faith in god, they are anathema to the liberal agenda. For the libs to empower themselves through government, they need weak citizens, who can't take care of themselves. Responsible, successful people don't need government to the extent libs wish to push it down our throats. Therefore, libs try to do away with anything that makes people succesful without government help, like moral, and values.

If you wrote actually made any sense, it might be easier to take you seriously. Your moral development is about that of a 12 year old...Rather like that of our Commander-in-Chief. Have a nice day.

 

[Hobbit]

I shall quote the literary great, Eric Cartman, when I say, "Do you hear that? It sounds like...diarrhea...coming out of someone's mouth or something.

 

[DKSuddeth]

Originally posted by Hobbit
I shall quote the literary great, Eric Cartman, when I say, "Do you hear that? It sounds like...diarrhea...coming out of someone's mouth or something.

:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

 

[Bullypulpit]

Originally posted by Hobbit
I shall quote the literary great, Eric Cartman, when I say, "Do you hear that? It sounds like...diarrhea...coming out of someone's mouth or something.

Yes, you do rather sound like that...

 

[Hobbit]

Originally posted by Bullypulpit
Yes, you do rather sound like that...

Oh wow! Such a great comeback! I think I'll go cry now, since it hurt so much.


Seriously Bully, if all you can do is insult the poster, nobody's going to take you seriously.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Bully, you know I'm right. Personal attacks and pretending things don't make sense are all you have to defend your fragile and crumbling worldview.

 

[Gop guy]

Originally posted by rtwngAvngr
Bully, you know I'm right. Personal attacks and pretending things don't make sense are all you have to defend your fragile and crumbling worldview.

 

[MrMarbles]

Originally posted by rtwngAvngr
In as much as family/traditional values teach personal responsibility, commitment, self-reliance and faith in god, they are anathema to the liberal agenda. For the libs to empower themselves through government, they need weak citizens, who can't take care of themselves. Responsible, successful people don't need government to the extent libs wish to push it down our throats. Therefore, libs try to do away with anything that makes people succesful without government help, like morals, and values.

Where do you get this from? What makes you think this?

First of all, liberal is a very broad term. Your post would make sense, if it was for communism, not for liberals.

definition:
Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.
Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.
Of, relating to, or characteristic of liberalism.
Liberal Of, designating, or characteristic of a political party founded on or associated with principles of social and political liberalism, especially in Great Britain, Canada, and the United States.

Tending to give freely; generous: a liberal benefactor.
Generous in amount; ample: a liberal serving of potatoes.
Not strict or literal; loose or approximate: a liberal translation.
Of, relating to, or based on the traditional arts and sciences of a college or university curriculum: a liberal education.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=liberal

That is what a liberal is. I see GENEROUS, PROGRESS, TOLERANT.

Watch out! The liberals are coming! We may get equal rights, fair representation and forward-thinking mind set, run!

 

[dilloduck]

Originally posted by MrMarbles
Where do you get this from? What makes you think this?

First of all, liberal is a very broad term. Your post would make sense, if it was for communism, not for liberals.

definition:
Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.
Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.
Of, relating to, or characteristic of liberalism.
Liberal Of, designating, or characteristic of a political party founded on or associated with principles of social and political liberalism, especially in Great Britain, Canada, and the United States.

Tending to give freely; generous: a liberal benefactor.
Generous in amount; ample: a liberal serving of potatoes.
Not strict or literal; loose or approximate: a liberal translation.
Of, relating to, or based on the traditional arts and sciences of a college or university curriculum: a liberal education.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=liberal

That is what a liberal is. I see GENEROUS, PROGRESS, TOLERANT.

Watch out! The liberals are coming! We may get equal rights, fair representation and forward-thinking mind set, run!

Not so fast Beaver boy !! what do you mean by "we" and if you believe they can deliver what they offer, I got a bridge to sell ya.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Mr.Marbles, I'm not talking about classical liberals. I'm talking about modern american liberals, which are big government socialists who have closed minds for anything but socialism and moral relativism. you KNOW who i'm talking about. Quit being silly.

 

[Bullypulpit]

Originally posted by rtwngAvngr
Bully, you know I'm right. Personal attacks and pretending things don't make sense are all you have to defend your fragile and crumbling worldview.

By implication, your statement classifies all liberals as amoral animals...a patently false and overbroad statement, your logic is terribly flawed.

Let's, for the sake of argument, assume that I am a liberal...since I donnot believe in a supreme being, that would seem to automatically place me in that category according to your definition.

Let's start with empowerment. Everything I have today, is the fruit of my own labor,with assistance neither wanted nor asked for from the government. I do, however, believe that quality public education for all, with a solid foundation in the classics as well as sound reasoning skills are the best thing that government can do for society. A weak electorate benefits no one but those eager to prey upon them, "liberals" and "conservatives" alike. The current administration seems to have a definite preference for a short-sighted, ignorant, polarized and fearful electorate.

As for values, I do not believe in a supreme being. Thus my morals and values are rooted in the real consequences to real people... in this life and in this world... that my actions have. Thus, the moral "payoff" occurs here and now, and can either benefit me or adversely affect me. here and now. Human life, and the consequences of my actions upon it, provides my moral compass. With your moral structure, any attrocity can be condoned so long as it is done in the name of one's favorite deity.

As for "traditional" and "family" values, just because they're traditional doesn't mean they're good. After all, slavery was a tradition espoused by the Bible, yet we now hold slavery to be anathema. As for family values, ignorance, insularism and intolerance are not values useful to anyone. Yet we see them passed along generation to generation, like some macbre fruit-cake.

Your arguments here, as elsewhere, are totally lacking in merit. You are dismissed.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Originally posted by Bullypulpit
By implication, your statement classifies all liberals as amoral animals...a patently false and overbroad statement, your logic is terribly flawed.

If it's so terribly flawed, you shouldn't have to spend so much time debunking it. It should be self-debunking, but it's not. Everyone recognizes it as true. Even you. My logic kicks ass.

Let's, for the sake of argument, assume that I am a liberal...since I donnot believe in a supreme being, that would seem to automatically place me in that category according to your definition.

No. there are many aetheist conservatives. Conservatism is logical. God just happens be logical as well.

Let's start with empowerment. Everything I have today, is the fruit of my own labor,with assistance neither wanted nor asked for from the government. I do, however, believe that quality public education for all, with a solid foundation in the classics as well as sound reasoning skills are the best thing that government can do for society. A weak electorate benefits no one but those eager to prey upon them, "liberals" and "conservatives" alike.

No. Conservatives want people to be strong and productive members of society, so they can take care of themselves, and perform well on the job. Liberals want people to be dependant.

The current administration seems to have a definite preference for a short-sighted, ignorant, polarized and fearful electorate.

Really? How? cutting taxes and improving the economy? Fighting against global terrorism?

As for values, I do not believe in a supreme being. Thus my morals and values are rooted in the real consequences to real people... in this life and in this world... that my actions have.


Thus, the moral "payoff" occurs here and now, and can either benefit me or adversely affect me. here and now.

then it should bother you that communist and socialism both irreparably damage economies, human incentive, and pride itself. Eventually the economies fail, resulting in genocide.

Human life, and the consequences of my actions upon it, provides my moral compass.

Then you should care when economies, and peoples means of feeding themselves, collapse. Why don't you?

With your moral structure, any attrocity can be condoned so long as it is done in the name of one's favorite deity.

Wrong. I'm actually less religious than most on here. My morality is based on the here and now effects of economic policy and standards of human conduct. Liberals believe in a morally relativistic, "anything goes" philosophy.

As for "traditional" and "family" values, just because they're traditional doesn't mean they're good.

And conversely, just because they're traditional, doesn't mean they're racist and wrong.

After all, slavery was a tradition espoused by the Bible, yet we now hold slavery to be anathema. As for family values, ignorance, insularism and intolerance are not values useful to anyone.

those are not family values.

Yet we see them passed along generation to generation, like some macbre fruit-cake.

And liberalism wants to destroy any tradition of responsibility, rendering the citizenry malleable and dependant.

Your arguments here, as elsewhere, are totally lacking in merit. You are dismissed.

No. They're good. And they're right. You're dismissed.

 

[Annie]

Originally posted by Bullypulpit
By implication, your statement classifies all liberals as amoral animals...a patently false and overbroad statement, your logic is terribly flawed.

Let's, for the sake of argument, assume that I am a liberal...since I donnot believe in a supreme being, that would seem to automatically place me in that category according to your definition.

Let's start with empowerment. Everything I have today, is the fruit of my own labor,with assistance neither wanted nor asked for from the government. I do, however, believe that quality public education for all, with a solid foundation in the classics as well as sound reasoning skills are the best thing that government can do for society. A weak electorate benefits no one but those eager to prey upon them, "liberals" and "conservatives" alike. The current administration seems to have a definite preference for a short-sighted, ignorant, polarized and fearful electorate.

As for values, I do not believe in a supreme being. Thus my morals and values are rooted in the real consequences to real people... in this life and in this world... that my actions have. Thus, the moral "payoff" occurs here and now, and can either benefit me or adversely affect me. here and now. Human life, and the consequences of my actions upon it, provides my moral compass. With your moral structure, any attrocity can be condoned so long as it is done in the name of one's favorite deity.

As for "traditional" and "family" values, just because they're traditional doesn't mean they're good. After all, slavery was a tradition espoused by the Bible, yet we now hold slavery to be anathema. As for family values, ignorance, insularism and intolerance are not values useful to anyone. Yet we see them passed along generation to generation, like some macbre fruit-cake.

Your arguments here, as elsewhere, are totally lacking in merit. You are dismissed.

Bully truth time! Are you a product of public schools? If yes, what are the demographics of the system you were enrolled in. Reason I'm asking, a preponderance of my profs: U of I, U of Chicago are products of parochial system. Weird.

 

[Bullypulpit]

Originally posted by rtwngAvngr
If it's so terribly flawed, you shouldn't have to spend so much time debunking it. It should be self-debunking, but it's not. Everyone recognizes it as true. Even you. My logic kicks ass.

It is a matter of belaboring the obvious for one whose myopic vision is woefully inadequate to the argument he has posed.

Your logic kicks nothing but empty air. Good night.

 

[MrMarbles]

rtwngAvngr, where do you get this hatered of liberals from? Why do you believe we are evil? Do you believe i am evil? I believe that everyone is equal. I agree with bullypulpit, in the fact that we should think of the here and now, and our fellow man, is that evil? And if so, what is evil about it? Isn't everyone equal?

No. there are many aetheist conservatives. Conservatism is logical. God just happens be logical as well.

How is god logical?

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Originally posted by MrMarbles
rtwngAvngr, where do you get this hatered of liberals from? Why do you believe we are evil? Do you believe i am evil? I believe that everyone is equal. I agree with bullypulpit, in the fact that we should think of the here and now, and our fellow man, is that evil? And if so, what is evil about it? Isn't everyone equal?



How is god logical?

They must be stopped from turning america into a socialist state. Socialism leads to economic collapse which leads to families failure to thrive.

If you believe in looking at the here and now effects of policy you should study what socialism does to economies and the effects on humanity. If you're an environmentalist and believe humanity is a pox on the earth, that's your own moral failing.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Originally posted by Bullypulpit
It is a matter of belaboring the obvious for one whose myopic vision is woefully inadequate to the argument he has posed.

Your logic kicks nothing but empty air. Good night.

Socialists economies shrink or fail, and the humans under their tyranny follow close behind, led to ruin by power hungry totalitarian liberals. DO you believe in the preemptive genocide of the 'sustainable development' movement?

 

[MrMarbles]

They must be stopped from turning america into a socialist state. Socialism leads to economic collapse which leads to families failure to thrive.

Canada's economy is doing better than the American one. You can argue that we are not quite socialist, but were as close as the States will ever see.

 

[Annie]

Originally posted by MrMarbles
Canada's economy is doing better than the American one. You can argue that we are not quite socialist, but were as close as the States will ever see.

You sir, are mistaken:


http://canadianeconomy.gc.ca/english/economy/index.cfm

Unemployment rate
May 2004 7.2 %
Inflation rate
May 2004 2.5 %
Real GDP
April 2004, % change 0.1 %
Exports
1st quarter 2004, % change 1.5 %
Imports
1st quarter 2004, % change 0.1 %
Exchange rate
May 2004 - $CAN buys US$ 0.7255
Prime interest rate
May 2004 3.75 %
S&P/TSX Composite Index
May 2004 (1975=1000) 8,417.32
Federal debt
2003 - $ millions 510,576
Last modified: 2004-07-01
Source: Statistics Canada

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