Why Liberals Hate Free Speech

[danielpalos]

I believe in the equality of women coming right up to us and informing us it is our turn.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Proof of the title of this thread- Liberals Hate Free Speech

"Mizzou Student VP: 1st Amendment Creates ‘Hostile and Unsafe Learning Environment’
...the school’s student body vice president had a blunt response for journalists who claimed their first amendment rights were being violated.

Mizzou student body VP Brenda Smith-Lezama spoke with MSNBC ...

Complaints against these student-led protests noted that colleges were seemingly becoming “places of censor and prohibition.” Mizzou’s student body VP was blatantly honest in her response.

“I personally am tired of hearing that First Amendment rights protect students when they are creating a hostile and unsafe learning environment for myself and for other students here.”
Mizzou Student VP: 1st Amendment Creates ‘Hostile and Unsafe Learning Environment’



I have often equated Liberalism with fascism, communism, Nazism....

....and here is the proof that the 'education industry,' a wholly owned subsidiary of Liberalism, Inc......turns out that product: little fascists with no understanding of America nor American values.

 

[danielpalos]

I agree to "blame the Right" for not insisting on the morality of True Witness bearing.

 

[PoliticalChic]

"ANTALYA, Turkey (AP) -- President Barack Obama is sending a message to critics he says "pop off" with their opinions about the U.S. campaign against the Islamic State."
News from The Associated Press


A President of the United States who opposes free speech?????

 

[PaintMyHouse]

"ANTALYA, Turkey (AP) -- President Barack Obama is sending a message to critics he says "pop off" with their opinions about the U.S. campaign against the Islamic State."
News from The Associated Press


A President of the United States who opposes free speech?????

That's not opposing free speech, that's telling them to do more than bitch.

 

[PoliticalChic]

"ANTALYA, Turkey (AP) -- President Barack Obama is sending a message to critics he says "pop off" with their opinions about the U.S. campaign against the Islamic State."
News from The Associated Press


A President of the United States who opposes free speech?????

That's not opposing free speech, that's telling them to do more than bitch.

Jeeezzzz....you fascists are all the same.

Why is it his business what people say?


The chill on free speech goes back further:

"There is a lot of disinformation about health insurancereform out there, spanning from control of personal finances to end of life care. These rumors often travel just below the surface via chain emails or through casual conversation. Since we can’t keep track of all of them here at the White House, we’re asking for your help. If you get an email or see something on the web about health insurance reform that seems fishy, send it toflag@whitehouse.gov."


He neglected to say that the snitches should close with "Sieg Heil"

 

[American_Jihad]

The True Test of One's Belief in Free Speech
Are Americans becoming too hostile to the idea of personal liberty?
November 24, 2015
Walter Williams

Recent events at the University of Missouri, Yale University and some other colleges demonstrate an ongoing ignorance and/or contempt for the principles of free speech. So let's examine some of those principles by asking: What is the true test of one's commitment to free speech?

Contrary to the widespread belief of tyrants among college students, professors and administrators, the true test of one's commitment to free speech does not come when one permits people to be free to express those ideas that he finds acceptable. The true test of one's commitment to free speech comes when he permits others to say those things that he finds deeply offensive. In a word, free speech is absolute, or nearly so.

No doubt a campus pseudo-intellectual, particularly in a law school, will chime in suggesting that free speech is not absolute, bringing up the canard that you can't shout "fire" in a crowded theater. Shouting "fire" in a crowded theater is not a free speech issue. A person who shouts "fire" violates the implied contract that theatergoers have to watch a performance undisturbed. Of course, if all patrons were informed when they purchased tickets that someone would falsely shout "fire" during the performance, there would be little problem.

Then there is speech called defamation, which is defined as the action of making a false spoken or written statement damaging to a person's reputation. Defamation is criminalized, but should it be? That question might be best answered by asking: Does your reputation belong to you? In other words, are the thoughts that other people have about you your property?

The principles that apply to one's commitment to free speech also apply to one's commitment to freedom of association. Like the true test of one's commitment to free speech, the true test of one's commitment to freedom of association does not come when he permits people to associate in ways he deems acceptable.

The true test of one's commitment to freedom of association comes when he permits people to be free to associate — or not to associate — in ways he deems offensive.

...

The True Test of One's Belief in Free Speech

 

[PaintMyHouse]

The True Test of One's Belief in Free Speech
Are Americans becoming too hostile to the idea of personal liberty?
November 24, 2015
Walter Williams

Recent events at the University of Missouri, Yale University and some other colleges demonstrate an ongoing ignorance and/or contempt for the principles of free speech. So let's examine some of those principles by asking: What is the true test of one's commitment to free speech?

Contrary to the widespread belief of tyrants among college students, professors and administrators, the true test of one's commitment to free speech does not come when one permits people to be free to express those ideas that he finds acceptable. The true test of one's commitment to free speech comes when he permits others to say those things that he finds deeply offensive. In a word, free speech is absolute, or nearly so.

No doubt a campus pseudo-intellectual, particularly in a law school, will chime in suggesting that free speech is not absolute, bringing up the canard that you can't shout "fire" in a crowded theater. Shouting "fire" in a crowded theater is not a free speech issue. A person who shouts "fire" violates the implied contract that theatergoers have to watch a performance undisturbed. Of course, if all patrons were informed when they purchased tickets that someone would falsely shout "fire" during the performance, there would be little problem.

Then there is speech called defamation, which is defined as the action of making a false spoken or written statement damaging to a person's reputation. Defamation is criminalized, but should it be? That question might be best answered by asking: Does your reputation belong to you? In other words, are the thoughts that other people have about you your property?

The principles that apply to one's commitment to free speech also apply to one's commitment to freedom of association. Like the true test of one's commitment to free speech, the true test of one's commitment to freedom of association does not come when he permits people to associate in ways he deems acceptable.

The true test of one's commitment to freedom of association comes when he permits people to be free to associate — or not to associate — in ways he deems offensive.

...

The True Test of One's Belief in Free Speech

Talk it up, boys, but if you get knocked flat on your ass for not knowing that speech like life has a time and a place, that's on you.

 

[Vigilante]

The True Test of One's Belief in Free Speech
Are Americans becoming too hostile to the idea of personal liberty?
November 24, 2015
Walter Williams

Recent events at the University of Missouri, Yale University and some other colleges demonstrate an ongoing ignorance and/or contempt for the principles of free speech. So let's examine some of those principles by asking: What is the true test of one's commitment to free speech?

Contrary to the widespread belief of tyrants among college students, professors and administrators, the true test of one's commitment to free speech does not come when one permits people to be free to express those ideas that he finds acceptable. The true test of one's commitment to free speech comes when he permits others to say those things that he finds deeply offensive. In a word, free speech is absolute, or nearly so.

No doubt a campus pseudo-intellectual, particularly in a law school, will chime in suggesting that free speech is not absolute, bringing up the canard that you can't shout "fire" in a crowded theater. Shouting "fire" in a crowded theater is not a free speech issue. A person who shouts "fire" violates the implied contract that theatergoers have to watch a performance undisturbed. Of course, if all patrons were informed when they purchased tickets that someone would falsely shout "fire" during the performance, there would be little problem.

Then there is speech called defamation, which is defined as the action of making a false spoken or written statement damaging to a person's reputation. Defamation is criminalized, but should it be? That question might be best answered by asking: Does your reputation belong to you? In other words, are the thoughts that other people have about you your property?

The principles that apply to one's commitment to free speech also apply to one's commitment to freedom of association. Like the true test of one's commitment to free speech, the true test of one's commitment to freedom of association does not come when he permits people to associate in ways he deems acceptable.

The true test of one's commitment to freedom of association comes when he permits people to be free to associate — or not to associate — in ways he deems offensive.

...

The True Test of One's Belief in Free Speech

Talk it up, boys, but if you get knocked flat on your ass for not knowing that speech like life has a time and a place, that's on you.

 

[ScienceRocks]

I love free speech! I use it all the time on this message board!!!

 

[Billo_Really]

I'm for free speech.

Oh you are?

What was your position on the Mosque at Ground Zero? Does free speech include Muslims?

During those town hall meetings on health care a few years ago, it wasn't liberals shouting down people, preventing them from having their voices heard.

Anytime someone criticizes Israel, it's not the left that vilifies them and try's to destroy their career.

And when George Bush had town hall meetings, anyone who had a different political philosophy, was corralled blocks away and surrounded by cops, preventing them from taking part in the meeting.

How many times has Hannity shouted someone down? Or Limbaugh? Or Beck? Or Savage?

BTW, arguing against global warming, is as stupid as arguing gravity plays no role in plane crashes.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I'm for free speech.

Oh you are?

What was your position on the Mosque at Ground Zero? Does free speech include Muslims?

During those town hall meetings on health care a few years ago, it wasn't liberals shouting down people, preventing them from having their voices heard.

Anytime someone criticizes Israel, it's not the left that vilifies them and try's to destroy their career.

And when George Bush had town hall meetings, anyone who had a different political philosophy, was corralled blocks away and surrounded by cops, preventing them from taking part in the meeting.

How many times has Hannity shouted someone down? Or Limbaugh? Or Beck? Or Savage?

BTW, arguing against global warming, is as stupid as arguing gravity plays no role in plane crashes.

"What was your position on the Mosque at Ground Zero? Does free speech include Muslims?"

As a conservative, I have positions based on individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.
Free speech is part of same.


As to the Mosque at Ground Zero....I stated at the time that if those individuals owned the property they could do whatever building codes in the area allowed.



In your face, boyyyeeeeee.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

As to the Mosque at Ground Zero....I stated at the time that if those individuals owned the property they could do whatever building codes in the area allowed.

Good, we agree, and you are no conservative. There aren't any anymore.

 

[Billo_Really]

"What was your position on the Mosque at Ground Zero? Does free speech include Muslims?"

As a conservative, I have positions based on individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.
Free speech is part of same.


As to the Mosque at Ground Zero....I stated at the time that if those individuals owned the property they could do whatever building codes in the area allowed.



In your face, boyyyeeeeee.

Now hold on, twisted sister, your initial claim (as stated in the OP), was that liberals are against free speech. What group put the most pressure on preventing that mosque from being built?

It wasn't liberals.

You also said liberals were fascists. Well, fascists don't allow an alternative point of view and if you dare to present one, they go after you.

When anyone criticizes Israel, they get vilified. And not by the left.

 

[PoliticalChic]

"What was your position on the Mosque at Ground Zero? Does free speech include Muslims?"

As a conservative, I have positions based on individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.
Free speech is part of same.


As to the Mosque at Ground Zero....I stated at the time that if those individuals owned the property they could do whatever building codes in the area allowed.



In your face, boyyyeeeeee.

Now hold on, twisted sister, your initial claim (as stated in the OP), was that liberals are against free speech. What group put the most pressure on preventing that mosque from being built?

It wasn't liberals.

You also said liberals were fascists. Well, fascists don't allow an alternative point of view and if you dare to present one, they go after you.

When anyone criticizes Israel, they get vilified. And not by the left.

Wasn't this your request?

"What was your position on the Mosque at Ground Zero? Does free speech include Muslims?"


Didn't I answer it, and leave you with egg on your face?

 

[PoliticalChic]

"What was your position on the Mosque at Ground Zero? Does free speech include Muslims?"

As a conservative, I have positions based on individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.
Free speech is part of same.


As to the Mosque at Ground Zero....I stated at the time that if those individuals owned the property they could do whatever building codes in the area allowed.



In your face, boyyyeeeeee.

Now hold on, twisted sister, your initial claim (as stated in the OP), was that liberals are against free speech. What group put the most pressure on preventing that mosque from being built?

It wasn't liberals.

You also said liberals were fascists. Well, fascists don't allow an alternative point of view and if you dare to present one, they go after you.

When anyone criticizes Israel, they get vilified. And not by the left.

"You also said liberals were fascists. Well, fascists don't allow an alternative point of view and if you dare to present one, they go after you."

Crying out for the education you missed in government school?

Sure.

Let's begin with definitions.
Nazism, communism, socialism..Liberalism, Progressivism,.and fascism....

1. Which stem from the works of Karl Marx?
2. Which is a form of command and control big government?
3. Which has no problem with genocide, actual or figurative, as an accepted procedure on its political enemies?
4. Which is based on the collective over the individual?
5. Which oppresses and/or slaughters its own citizens as pro forma (including depriving them of a living)....?
6. Which represents totalitarian governance?
7. Which believes that mandating/dictating every aspect of their citizen's lives is their prerogative?
8. Which aims for an all-encompassing state that centralizes power to perfect human nature by controlling every aspect of life

9. Which restricts free speech and thought?

10. Which can be summed up in Hegel's “The state says … you must obey …. The state has rights against the individual; its members have obligations, among them that of obeying without protest”



And, of course, they all are do...they are all consubstantial.

Nazism

Communism

Socialism

Fascism

Progressivism

Liberalism






How about pointing out which of them are defenders of religious, political, and economic freedom, and recognize the individual as the most important element of society?
Right....none of 'em.
Only right wing philosophies...i.e., conservatism.

 

[RWNJ]

"What was your position on the Mosque at Ground Zero? Does free speech include Muslims?"

As a conservative, I have positions based on individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.
Free speech is part of same.


As to the Mosque at Ground Zero....I stated at the time that if those individuals owned the property they could do whatever building codes in the area allowed.



In your face, boyyyeeeeee.

Now hold on, twisted sister, your initial claim (as stated in the OP), was that liberals are against free speech. What group put the most pressure on preventing that mosque from being built?

It wasn't liberals.

You also said liberals were fascists. Well, fascists don't allow an alternative point of view and if you dare to present one, they go after you.

When anyone criticizes Israel, they get vilified. And not by the left.

You can't expect anyone to believe that you don't realize they wanted to put that mosque there to add insult to injury. It was Islam that brought down the towers, and you expect us to let them to build a monument to their success? Are you really that stupid? You really don't need to answer. It's painfully obvious.

 

[Billo_Really]

You can't expect anyone to believe that you don't realize they wanted to put that mosque there to add insult to injury. It was Islam that brought down the towers, and you expect us to let them to build a monument to their success? Are you really that stupid? You really don't need to answer. It's painfully obvious.

The person who was going to be the Imam of that mosque, was on George Bush's counter-terrorism task force. That mosque had nothing to do with 9/11. I guess you prefer the hookers and strip bars that are in that location, rather than something that brings the community together.

And no, Islam did not take down the towers. The hijackers were not even Muslims.

So I guess what you're saying is, freedom of speech is not for everyone. It's only "agreeable" freedom of speech.

 

[Billo_Really]

"You also said liberals were fascists. Well, fascists don't allow an alternative point of view and if you dare to present one, they go after you."

Crying out for the education you missed in government school?

Sure.

Let's begin with definitions.
Nazism, communism, socialism..Liberalism, Progressivism,.and fascism....

1. Which stem from the works of Karl Marx?
2. Which is a form of command and control big government?
3. Which has no problem with genocide, actual or figurative, as an accepted procedure on its political enemies?
4. Which is based on the collective over the individual?
5. Which oppresses and/or slaughters its own citizens as pro forma (including depriving them of a living)....?
6. Which represents totalitarian governance?
7. Which believes that mandating/dictating every aspect of their citizen's lives is their prerogative?
8. Which aims for an all-encompassing state that centralizes power to perfect human nature by controlling every aspect of life

9. Which restricts free speech and thought?

10. Which can be summed up in Hegel's “The state says … you must obey …. The state has rights against the individual; its members have obligations, among them that of obeying without protest”



And, of course, they all are do...they are all consubstantial.

Nazism

Communism

Socialism

Fascism

Progressivism

Liberalism






How about pointing out which of them are defenders of religious, political, and economic freedom, and recognize the individual as the most important element of society?
Right....none of 'em.
Only right wing philosophies...i.e., conservatism.

Why don't you just address the point I made, instead of this pontificating data dump?

 

[Billo_Really]

Wasn't this your request?

"What was your position on the Mosque at Ground Zero? Does free speech include Muslims?"


Didn't I answer it, and leave you with egg on your face?

It was only a half-answer. I made 3 points and you only addressed half of the first one.

As far as what's on my face, I'm pretty sure God wouldn't give you eggs that work so no, I don't have any bird fetus on my face.