Why Is The GOP Against Reauthorizing The VAWA?

[GuyPinestra]

You must be a complete moron. I provided a quote by Senator Patty Murray, and you believe that I should back it up? No, shit for brains, it's your job to refute it. You sound like Daveman's brother. You both seem to think a winning tactic is to demand that someone else do your research. You're both lazy, both physically and intellectually.

So, your typical standard of proof... is that someone 'said' it, so it must be true.

Then by your standard, my current sig is true.

No moron, my standard is to accept people at their word. If the claim smells like bullshit, I'll research it to see if it's false. I have yet to find any evidence that Senator Murray's claim is false. Your lazy assed standard is that someone else must prove a third party claim true. I guess you're unable to refute the good Senator's statement.

Her claim has already been refuted in this thread, yet you cling to it like it was the government tit! The chart posted by SeaWytch proves that the greatest drop in DV cases occurred BEFORE the VAWA ever saw the light of day!

Idiot!

 

[Papageorgio]

The significant change was that law enforcement asked them to increase the number of temporary visas, so they could prosecute scumbag abusers. Republicans are making tin foil claims that this would lead to fraud, without any real evidence. Yeah, let them stand on that lie and use that excuse with their constituents. Why not just send victims and witnesses home if their visa expires or were here undocumented. Better to let those who prey on women go free than someone stays in this country too long.

Do you really believe this lame excuse is going to work?

Wrong! There are already provisions for special visa's it is part of the law, it is the part that Republicans will renew without issue. You are either dishonest or very ignorant on the subject and are reacting out of emotion.

And law enforcement asked that the number be raised from 10,000 to 15,000 annually, to help assist in prosecution. The Republicans are using some tin foil theory to claim that this would result in major immigration fraud. Sorry, but that's a lame excuse.

There is no cap on victims of abuse, the law states that as long as the cooperate with authorities, they are allowed to stay. So the exemption really doesn't help, nice try.

 

[Dick Tuck]

domestic violence law









so a domestic violence law pertains only to women? that's probably why the GOP wants to block it.

By a wide margin, women are the most likely victims, but also men. The public law also protects male victims of domestic and sexual abuse.

 

[Meister]

domestic violence law









so a domestic violence law pertains only to women? that's probably why the GOP wants to block it.

By a wide margin, women are the most likely victims, but also men. The public law also protects male victims of domestic and sexual abuse.

Are we talking state or federal law? I get so confused

 

[Dick Tuck]

Wrong! There are already provisions for special visa's it is part of the law, it is the part that Republicans will renew without issue. You are either dishonest or very ignorant on the subject and are reacting out of emotion.

And law enforcement asked that the number be raised from 10,000 to 15,000 annually, to help assist in prosecution. The Republicans are using some tin foil theory to claim that this would result in major immigration fraud. Sorry, but that's a lame excuse.

There is no cap on victims of abuse, the law states that as long as the cooperate with authorities, they are allowed to stay. So the exemption really doesn't help, nice try.

Wrong. There is a cap on the number of visas made available, and law enforcement requested that number be increased.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

You must be a complete moron. I provided a quote by Senator Patty Murray, and you believe that I should back it up? No, shit for brains, it's your job to refute it. You sound like Daveman's brother. You both seem to think a winning tactic is to demand that someone else do your research. You're both lazy, both physically and intellectually.

So, your typical standard of proof... is that someone 'said' it, so it must be true.

Then by your standard, my current sig is true.

No moron, my standard is to accept people at their word. If the claim smells like bullshit, I'll research it to see if it's false. I have yet to find any evidence that Senator Murray's claim is false. Your lazy assed standard is that someone else must prove a third party claim true. I guess you're unable to refute the good Senator's statement.

So, in your little world Patty Murray quotes are factual evidence?

 

[daveman]

Excellent editorial in today's San Jose Mercury News, that I'm sure you'll all enjoy.

Memo to Congress: Get off the soapbox and renew domestic violence law

I thought this part sums up the lame excuses of the male Senate Republicans pretty well:

If domestic violence is going down, why does the act need to be expanded?

because the Dems need more voters.

And of course, that's the entire purpose. They're scoring political points with the base, and blaming the GOP for blocking unnecessary changes.

 

[daveman]

Excellent editorial in today's San Jose Mercury News, that I'm sure you'll all enjoy.

Memo to Congress: Get off the soapbox and renew domestic violence law

I thought this part sums up the lame excuses of the male Senate Republicans pretty well:

You have utterly refused to prove the 53% decline figured you declared is a fact.

You must be a complete moron. I provided a quote by Senator Patty Murray, and you believe that I should back it up? No, shit for brains, it's your job to refute it. You sound like Daveman's brother. You both seem to think a winning tactic is to demand that someone else do your research. You're both lazy, both physically and intellectually.

You didn't do any research. You quoted a Democrat.

Normal people need more than that.

 

[Papageorgio]

And law enforcement asked that the number be raised from 10,000 to 15,000 annually, to help assist in prosecution. The Republicans are using some tin foil theory to claim that this would result in major immigration fraud. Sorry, but that's a lame excuse.

There is no cap on victims of abuse, the law states that as long as the cooperate with authorities, they are allowed to stay. So the exemption really doesn't help, nice try.

Wrong. There is a cap on the number of visas made available, and law enforcement requested that number be increased.

http://http://www.huffingtonpost.com/nancy-kaufman/violence-against-women-act-2012_b_1339525.html
FTA:

Immigrant women without legal status are especially vulnerable to abuse, since going to the authorities carries with it the risk of deportation while the abuser may go free. Since 2000, VAWA has offered victims of domestic violence and sexual assault protection against deportation when they aid in the investigation and prosecution of crimes. Immigrant victims can apply for a special visa, but only if law enforcement certifies that they have been cooperative. This new version of VAWA seeks to renew this very successful program, at the request of law enforcement agencies and advocates across the country.

 

[Dick Tuck]

There is no cap on victims of abuse, the law states that as long as the cooperate with authorities, they are allowed to stay. So the exemption really doesn't help, nice try.

Wrong. There is a cap on the number of visas made available, and law enforcement requested that number be increased.

http://http://www.huffingtonpost.com/nancy-kaufman/violence-against-women-act-2012_b_1339525.html
FTA:

Immigrant women without legal status are especially vulnerable to abuse, since going to the authorities carries with it the risk of deportation while the abuser may go free. Since 2000, VAWA has offered victims of domestic violence and sexual assault protection against deportation when they aid in the investigation and prosecution of crimes. Immigrant victims can apply for a special visa, but only if law enforcement certifies that they have been cooperative. This new version of VAWA seeks to renew this very successful program, at the request of law enforcement agencies and advocates across the country.

There's still a cap:

GOP opposes Violence Against Women Act

Furthermore, it would expand the availability of visas for undocumented immigrants who have been victims of domestic violence and may be reluctant to come forward because of the risk of deportation.

VAWA has always protected this group of individuals, but the reauthorization would raise the cap on visas for battered women and sexual assault victims from 10,000 to 15,000. The additional visas would come from recaptured visas in previous years, which haven't been utilized.

 

[Dick Tuck]

You have utterly refused to prove the 53% decline figured you declared is a fact.

You must be a complete moron. I provided a quote by Senator Patty Murray, and you believe that I should back it up? No, shit for brains, it's your job to refute it. You sound like Daveman's brother. You both seem to think a winning tactic is to demand that someone else do your research. You're both lazy, both physically and intellectually.

You didn't do any research. You quoted a Democrat.

Normal people need more than that.

So what did your research turn up? Are you still afraid to open up pdf files?

 

[daveman]

You must be a complete moron. I provided a quote by Senator Patty Murray, and you believe that I should back it up? No, shit for brains, it's your job to refute it. You sound like Daveman's brother. You both seem to think a winning tactic is to demand that someone else do your research. You're both lazy, both physically and intellectually.

You didn't do any research. You quoted a Democrat.

Normal people need more than that.

So what did your research turn up? Are you still afraid to open up pdf files?

Why haven't you responded to the posts that show your claim is wrong?

Do you really think that ignoring them means they're not there?

 

[Dick Tuck]

Could this be the reason that the GOP is trying to sink this legislation?

Senate Dems and Republicans Square Off Over New Violence Against Women Act

“I think it designed to fit in with the narrative that there is a war against women, when nothing could be further from the truth,” said Janice Crouse, of the Concerned Women for America. Crouse signed a letter from a coalition of 23 conservative groups opposing the bill, which they called “nice-sounding but deceitful because it destroys the family by obscuring real violence to advance the feminist agenda.”

“If you follow the money, this bill is a boondoggle for feminist organizations,” she said, pointing to funding for social-work organizations and programs that provide counseling and training services. More broadly, “It has created a climate where all men are suspect and all women are considered victims.”

God forbid a battered wife be taken out of the house and given shelter, or be given help taking out a restraining order. After all, we should keep families together at any cost, and what's a little collateral damage.

 

[Conservative]

You must be a complete moron. I provided a quote by Senator Patty Murray, and you believe that I should back it up? No, shit for brains, it's your job to refute it. You sound like Daveman's brother. You both seem to think a winning tactic is to demand that someone else do your research. You're both lazy, both physically and intellectually.

You didn't do any research. You quoted a Democrat.

Normal people need more than that.

So what did your research turn up? Are you still afraid to open up pdf files?

Why are WE required to do research, provide links to facts instead of statements... and you are not?

 

[Conservative]

You must be a complete moron. I provided a quote by Senator Patty Murray, and you believe that I should back it up? No, shit for brains, it's your job to refute it. You sound like Daveman's brother. You both seem to think a winning tactic is to demand that someone else do your research. You're both lazy, both physically and intellectually.

So, your typical standard of proof... is that someone 'said' it, so it must be true.

Then by your standard, my current sig is true.

No moron, my standard is to accept people at their word. If the claim smells like bullshit, I'll research it to see if it's false. I have yet to find any evidence that Senator Murray's claim is false. Your lazy assed standard is that someone else must prove a third party claim true. I guess you're unable to refute the good Senator's statement.

You have yet to provide any evidence at all, one way or the other. All you've done is quote her, and take it as Gospel.

Obama said there are 57 states. You gonna believe that? I said you beat women. Since you take people at their word, you must believe me.

You really do suck at this.

 

[Liability]

Dick Tuckeduphisass doesn't JUST have penis envy.

He is such a fail, he even envies women with larger than standard size clits.

True story.

D.T. your obligation (as per your own version of logic) is to disprove that claim.

Best of luck, ya hapless dickless fuckwit.

 

[Dick Tuck]

Dick Tuckeduphisass doesn't JUST have penis envy.

He is such a fail, he even envies women with larger than standard size clits.

True story.

D.T. your obligation (as per your own version of logic) is to disprove that claim.

Best of luck, ya hapless dickless fuckwit.

Except you made the statement, not some third party with standing. You defend your statement. I don't have to defend Senator Murray's. Are you too slow on the uptake to see the difference?

Now get back to your reach around with Daveman and Conservative, they're starting to feel a draft.

 

[GuyPinestra]

Dick Tuckeduphisass doesn't JUST have penis envy.

He is such a fail, he even envies women with larger than standard size clits.

True story.

D.T. your obligation (as per your own version of logic) is to disprove that claim.

Best of luck, ya hapless dickless fuckwit.

Except you made the statement, not some third party with standing. You defend your statement. I don't have to defend Senator Murray's. Are you too slow on the uptake to see the difference?

Now get back to your reach around with Daveman and Conservative, they're starting to feel a draft.

There have been several posts made with cites that dispute what your vaunted Senator has said. At this point it is YOUR obligation to provide cites that strengthen YOUR argument.

Think you can handle that? Go ahead, I'm sure you can...

 

[daveman]

Dick Tuckeduphisass doesn't JUST have penis envy.

He is such a fail, he even envies women with larger than standard size clits.

True story.

D.T. your obligation (as per your own version of logic) is to disprove that claim.

Best of luck, ya hapless dickless fuckwit.

Except you made the statement, not some third party with standing. You defend your statement. I don't have to defend Senator Murray's. Are you too slow on the uptake to see the difference?

Now get back to your reach around with Daveman and Conservative, they're starting to feel a draft.

It's funny when leftists use homosexuality as an insult and then insist it doesn't mean they hate gays.

 

[The T]

Dick Tuckeduphisass doesn't JUST have penis envy.

He is such a fail, he even envies women with larger than standard size clits.

True story.

D.T. your obligation (as per your own version of logic) is to disprove that claim.

Best of luck, ya hapless dickless fuckwit.

Except you made the statement, not some third party with standing. You defend your statement. I don't have to defend Senator Murray's. Are you too slow on the uptake to see the difference?

Now get back to your reach around with Daveman and Conservative, they're starting to feel a draft.

It's funny when leftists use homosexuality as an insult and then insist it doesn't mean they hate gays.

They use is as a shield...they hope by accusing YOU of it YOU will go away and leave them alone.

Intimidation 101 lefty style.