Why Is No One Clamoring for more ABMs to be built?

[Vrenn]

And? The test was successful, you claimed otherwise.

It's a technology still in development because for over 30 years we were bound by the terms of the ABM treaty which prevented us from developing it.

Russia broke the treaty so we got back in full bore but you can't just snap your fingers and make it happen overnight.

We cheated. One of the biggest military mistakes done in the history going back to Midway and beyond.

 

[Vrenn]

We're not anywhere close to heading into a nuclear war, that kind of fearmongering is precisely why we're in the shape we are today.

Putin's an evil bastard but he's not stupid nor is he crazy, he knows that using nukes means the end of Russia, his friends, his family and himself.

He just thought the nuclear blackmail was going to work again and finally the Euro's are calling his bluff.

As a result we've watched him destroy his own army, prove how ineffective they are, and he's drained his war stocks badly of vehicles including aircraft, armor, ordinance, ammunition and everything else he'd need in a real war.

The sanctions will bankrupt him personally, and send his nation into a deep, deep, recession they won't be able to recover from for years and that means he won't be able to rebuild his military.

One of his biggest exports is weapons and their failures to take Ukraine militarily are going to badly hurt those arms sales and the Euro's are taking away his ability to blackmail them with threats of turning off the gas in the winter.

Biden is responsible for this invasion as much as Putin with a good share going to his former boss with both of them refusing to provide Ukraine with what they needed to prevent Russia from being willing to attempt it.

Only after his poll numbers hit their lowest point yet after the invasion began did someone in the WH kick him in the ass and convince him that if he wanted to save his presidency he'd better get off the fence and start sending whatever we could to at least give the pretense the US still has a leadership role in the world and that we're willing to stand up with smaller nations when totalitarian bullies want to engage in wars of conquest.

Trump on the other hand spent four years warning all of Europe this day would come if they did not divorce themselves from their dependency on Russian Energy imports. They laughed at him of course.

Who's laughing now?

Trump was the devil for daring to tell the Euro's that the US could no longer be the financier and primary force in NATO so they'd better start living up to their obligations and they were all insulted and all but chased him out of the room, then openly derided him behind his back.

Who's laughing now?

Trump was labeled a warmonger who would star WWIII standing up to Putin and Kim, Solemani, and Al Baghdadi.

Yet when we directly confronted Russia in Syria and bombed the shit out of their base and assets used to deploy chemical weapons on civilians he was labeled a fool and dangerous.

Yet Putin did nothing because he knew he could not win.

When a battalion of Russian Troops started an attack on our own troops in Syria , Trump gave them the greenlight to take whatever actions they deemed necessary to stop that threat.

Two hours later, that threat had been completely eliminated.

What did Putin do?

We'll be fine.

Once again, you give Rump credit when no credit is due. When they attacked, there was no time to ask permission. A method much older than you are came into play. It's better to ask for forgiveness than permission. When fired on, always fire back. And unless you have other orders, win. The attacked because they believed their own crap. In under 2 hours, they lost over 300 Russian Soldiers and the US did not move an inch forward or backward. Instead of owning up to it, the Russians then claimed it was mercenaries.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

Once again, you give Rump credit when no credit is due. When they attacked, there was no time to ask permission. A method much older than you are came into play. It's better to ask for forgiveness than permission. When fired on, always fire back. And unless you have other orders, win. The attacked because they believed their own crap. In under 2 hours, they lost over 300 Russian Soldiers and the US did not move an inch forward or backward. Instead of owning up to it, the Russians then claimed it was mercenaries.

Now you're just proving yourself to be an idiot. I ran missions for 13 years so I kinda know how it's done.

If not for the weapons and training provided by the last administration they would have been able to take Kyiv in under a week and it would have then been over.

As for Syria, you're completely wrong, the call went up as soon as the attack was launched and they got a direct presidential authority to use whatever force was necessary.

That took under 5 minutes.

The Russians use supposed "mercenaries" regularly for insurgent missions, just as they did in Ukraine in 2013-14. They literally just took the flags off of their uniforms and dumped their dog tags and moved into Donbas driving Russian armored vehicles that had their identifying numbers painted over.

 

[Vrenn]

Now you're just proving yourself to be an idiot. I ran missions for 13 years so I kinda know how it's done.

If not for the weapons and training provided by the last administration they would have been able to take Kyiv in under a week and it would have then been over.

As for Syria, you're completely wrong, the call went up as soon as the attack was launched and they got a direct presidential authority to use whatever force was necessary.

That took under 5 minutes.

The Russians use supposed "mercenaries" regularly for insurgent missions, just as they did in Ukraine in 2013-14. They literally just took the flags off of their uniforms and dumped their dog tags and moved into Donbas driving Russian armored vehicles that had their identifying numbers painted over.

That 5 minutes is 5 minutes AFTER fire is returned. That's called "Asking for forgiveness". And I will guarentee you that no one can get an answer out of Rump in 5 minutes. Stop making shit up.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

That 5 minutes is 5 minutes AFTER fire is returned. That's called "Asking for forgiveness". And I will guarentee you that no one can get an answer out of Rump in 5 minutes. Stop making shit up.

Your guarantees are worthless, the only person making anything up is yourself.

Even in my era we could get direct presidential authority when needed in a few minutes and on several occasions we did.

That was my life for over 13 years.

 

[Vrenn]

Your guarantees are worthless, the only person making anything up is yourself.

Even in my era we could get direct presidential authority when needed in a few minutes and on several occasions we did.

That was my life for over 13 years.

Maybe in Russia, Comrade where you need Presidential authority to fart but in the US, we don't need that authority.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

Maybe in Russia, Comrade where you need Presidential authority to fart but in the US, we don't need that authority.

You are clueless. Our forces were specifically instructed not to engage the Russians without a direct order to do so.

Trump gave the commander in the field complete discretion to do whatever was necessary to that end by any means at his disposal.

 

[Vrenn]

You are clueless. Our forces were specifically instructed not to engage the Russians without a direct order to do so.

Trump gave the commander in the field complete discretion to do whatever was necessary to that end by any means at his disposal.

Once again, you are give Rump credit for something he had absolutely nothing to do with. I know you believe he is a Deity but he isn't Omnipotent.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

Once again, you are give Rump credit for something he had absolutely nothing to do with. I know you believe he is a Deity but he isn't Omnipotent.

You continue making assumptions making a complete ass of yourself. I didn't even vote for Trump.

This isn't about Trump it's about what happens when you kick a bully in the nuts and knock his teeth out instead of attempting to appease them hoping they'll be nice.

 

[Vrenn]

You continue making assumptions making a complete ass of yourself. I didn't even vote for Trump.

This isn't about Trump it's about what happens when you kick a bully in the nuts and knock his teeth out instead of attempting to appease them hoping they'll be nice.

You keep bullying away and I'll keep kicking. Feel the burn, Feel the Burn.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

You keep bullying away and I'll keep kicking. Feel the burn, Feel the Burn.

Bullying?

You're the one that came in leading with your chin all puffed up like Chesty Puller making a fool of yourself.

 

[Vrenn]

Bullying?

You're the one that came in leading with your chin all puffed up like Chesty Puller making a fool of yourself.

Keep swinging, putz.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

Keep swinging, putz.

Nobody but yourself can make a fool of you. All I can do is keep giving you the opportunity.

 

[Likkmee]

Ever since the Russians invaded Ukraine we've had people talking about the possibility of the U.S.(and NATO) getting involved in a shooting war with the Russians and how that would inevitably lead to a strategic nuclear exchange.

If people really believe that then why aren't they clamoring for the U.S. to deploy thousands of more ABMs? I know most ABMs do not successfully intercept their targets but then again most missiles fired at airborne targets don't hit them. Still even at current interception rates if you launch 10 ABMs at an incoming missile the odds are you will stop it.

So why is no one mentioning ABMs?

I damn sure am. I have to drive 12 km just go get to one.
The Chinese dude that owns the pulperia here is working with the bank to have one installed.

 

[Vrenn]

Nobody but yourself can make a fool of you. All I can do is keep giving you the opportunity.

And you can do it quieter. Say goodnight Gracie.

 

[DudleySmith]

I think it's because they don't REALLY believe their own rhetoric about Putin resorting to nukes. IMO, he is FULLY capable of taking the step of using a low-yield device to flip the field in Russia's favor IF NATO came into the picture against Russia. In fact, he has been crystal clear in his statements of when and how he would deploy nukes. He sees them as a viable part of his conventional force posture. Just imagine a 5 or 10 KT airburst over a NATO airbase like Incirlik in Turkey.

The fallout would be negligible, the base would be removed, totally, and NATO would be left with the choice of escalating to the use of their own nukes, OR deciding to take a step back and freeze the conflict in place to keep things from spiraling out of control.

He has pushed this option for many years now and has a 10:1 advantage in such low-yield, tactical nukes.

The first time he uses one his entire country disappears. He knows the threat only works against weak leaders and other criminal syndicates like Biden and Democrats.

 

[Mushroom]

Actually, there were thousands of nuclear bursts since 1945. Nothing bad happened.

I have seen that video many times, and each time I am reminded of the ending of "War Games".

How about a nice game of chess?

 

[Mushroom]

Underground nuclear tests don't make fallout and reactor failures don't cause nuclear explosions.

We and the Russians and Chinese all agreed to cease above ground testing because of the damaging fallout.

After over 500 surface tests were conducted.

 

[Dayton3]

Trick question.

Technically, I can think of at least 92.

Every single Ticonderoga class cruiser, every Burke class destroyer, and the two GBM-GBI systems in Alaska and California.

The Burkes and Ticonderga's have other vital missions (fleet defense) and will not always be around to defend U.S. cities and territory against nuclear missile attack.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

After over 500 surface tests were conducted.

And all of them done in very carefully selected location and under weather/atmospheric conditions that would prevent anything serious from happening.