Why is it to threat to Democracy to say 2020 was stolen, but not a threat to Democracy to say 2016 was stolen?

[Marener]

You mean widely incorrect things like real wages are higher under Biden or that crime is lower(after leaving out high crime large cities) or that GDP growth under Biden is good despite still 1/10 lower than under Trump, despite COVID, or that Democrats have any interest in securing our border?

Median real wages are actually doing pretty good when comparing to pre-pandemic wages, we are up.

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Crime was not left out of large cities. This is a false story from the right wing. Crime in 2023 was down and it'll decrease again in 2024.

https://www.axios.com/2024/08/12/violent-crime-harris-trump-election

GDP growth under Biden is quite good. Our economy has grown about 10% since the pre-pandemic high. That's better than anyone else in the G7 and something to be proud of. Trump had good economic growth too. It wasn't as good as he said it would be, not by a long shot But it was still good enough. Obama had good economic growth too. They're all good. Not great. Just good.

Whether inflation is getting worse or not is irrelevant. The damage has been done. Year over year inflation under Trump was 1.9%. It is 5.2% under Biden. That is second only to Ford and Carter. The inflation rate was 2.4% for the year ending in Sept. That is still .5% higher than Trump's year over year inflation rate. Goods and service are much, much higher in 2024 than they were in 2021 and they won't come back down. Intelligent, informed, heck, just observant people, recognize this.

I don't know many that believe that unemployment is historically high, but many do question the calculations.

Again, I don't think many believe that GDP low, just ok, not great, in fact, still lower than Trump's average.

Inflation isn't relevant? Since when? Jesus, that's like the number one issue in the country. We had inflation because of COVID and because of what we all did during COVID. Comparing Biden's inflation numbers to Trump's pre-COVID inflation is the kind of shallow analysis you'd get out of someone who operates off of low information. '

Yes, I agree with you that the costs aren't coming back down. You should tell your low information MAGA base who think that Trump is going to do just that.

GDP growth over the last 3 years from 2020 to 2023 was about 11%. GDP growth over the last 3 years of Trump was 3%.

Republicans are out of touch with reality.

Majority of Americans wrongly believe US is in recession – and most blame Biden

Exclusive Harris poll for the Guardian shows 55% believe economy is shrinking, in troubling sign for president’s re-election bid

www.theguardian.com

The poll highlighted many misconceptions people have about the economy, including:

• 55% believe the economy is shrinking, and 56% think the US is experiencing a recession, though the broadest measure of the economy, gross domestic product (GDP), has been growing.
• 49% believe the S&P 500 stock market index is down for the year, though the index went up about 24% in 2023 and is up more than 12% this year.
• 49% believe that unemployment is at a 50-year high, though the unemployment rate has been under 4%, a near 50-year low.

 

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That seems UNDEMOCRATIC.

Say, did the DNC fuck over Bernie Sanders twice when it was apparent he was going to win the nomination?

Did Bernie supporters lose in court because the DNC claimed they are a private organization and they can pick whomever they want to run? The primaries are just a show…..AND THEY WON THE CASE?

YES.


THAT HAPPENED. THE DNC ADMITTED THEY RIG PRIMARIES.

Can not speak for others, BUT Sanders leaned a little to far left for me, and age was a factor.

 

[SweetTea]

Median real wages are actually doing pretty good when comparing to pre-pandemic wages, we are up.

It all depends on when you start your measurement, pre or post COVID. Democrats spin one way and Republicans another.

Crime was not left out of large cities. This is a false story from the right wing. Crime in 2023 was down and it'll decrease again in 2024.

Crime rates were misreported. That is a fact.

Axios is a left-wing nut site, but I guess those are the sources you choose to read. If you can post Axios, I can post Washington Examiner, or do you deem your left-wing sources more credible?

Bad data from the FBI mislead about crime - Washington Examiner

GDP growth under Biden is quite good. Our economy has grown about 10% since the pre-pandemic high. That's better than anyone else in the G7 and something to be proud of. Trump had good economic growth too. It wasn't as good as he said it would be, not by a long shot But it was still good enough. Obama had good economic growth too. They're all good. Not great. Just good.

GDP under Biden is just a touch under Trump's average. I would argue that it would have picked up speed under Trump had COVID not come into play.

GDP growth over the last 3 years from 2020 to 2023 was about 11%. GDP growth over the last 3 years of Trump was 3%.

What did you expect coming out of a pandemic? This has nothing to do with Biden.

Republicans are out of touch with reality.

Reagan put it best.

“It isn't so much that liberals are ignorant. It's just that they know so many things that aren't so.”​

 

[Marener]

It all depends on when you start your measurement, pre or post COVID. Democrats spin one way and Republicans another.

I specifically stated pre-pandemic and the pandemic has a pretty clear cut start in March of 2020. Real median wages are higher now than Q4 2019 and even Q1 2020. I don’t know what you mean by “it depends”. Wages during the pandemic spiked because of government spending. I don’t think anyone would consider that relevant data.

GDP under Biden is just a touch under Trump's average. I would argue that it would have picked up speed under Trump had COVID not come into play.

I don’t think you’re using the language very well. GDP is not lower than under Trump. Suspect you mean something like real GDP growth. In which case Trump’s average was like 1%. Even without the pandemic it was like 2.5%. Remember Trump was saying that GDP growth under 3% was abysmal. He was saying it was going to go to 4 or even 6%. By his own projections he’s a failure and his tax cuts did not deliver. 2020 was looking at possibly going into a recession. The Fed already had to cut interest rates and GDP growth dropped.

Crime rates were misreported. That is a fact.

Axios is a left-wing nut site, but I guess those are the sources you choose to read. If you can post Axios, I can post Washington Examiner, or do you deem your left-wing sources more credible?

I like how the Examiner complains that Baltimore’s murder were higher when reported by the city at 262 for 2023. Sounds bad. But it fails to mention that in 2022 it was 333 and had been over 300 per year for quite a few years. 2024 is going to be even better.

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The nice thing about homicide is that you don’t really have to argue about rates of reporting.

It’s falling.

What did you expect coming out of a pandemic? This has nothing to do with Biden.

What do you expect coming out of a pandemic? Inflation. Yet you’re going to blame Biden almost exclusively for that. I don’t know. Seems like you have a double standard here.

Reagan put it best.

“It isn't so much that liberals are ignorant. It's just that they know so many things that aren't so.”​

You’ve yet to show any of my data is incorrect. But we clearly know that large swaths of the electorate, especially Republicans have false beliefs of the state of the economy.

 

[SweetTea]

I specifically stated pre-pandemic and the pandemic has a pretty clear cut start in March of 2020. Real median wages are higher now than Q4 2019 and even Q1 2020. I don’t know what you mean by “it depends”. Wages during the pandemic spiked because of government spending. I don’t think anyone would consider that relevant data.



I don’t think you’re using the language very well. GDP is not lower than under Trump. Suspect you mean something like real GDP growth. In which case Trump’s average was like 1%. Even without the pandemic it was like 2.5%. Remember Trump was saying that GDP growth under 3% was abysmal. He was saying it was going to go to 4 or even 6%. By his own projections he’s a failure and his tax cuts did not deliver. 2020 was looking at possibly going into a recession. The Fed already had to cut interest rates and GDP growth dropped.


I like how the Examiner complains that Baltimore’s murder were higher when reported by the city at 262 for 2023. Sounds bad. But it fails to mention that in 2022 it was 333 and had been over 300 per year for quite a few years. 2024 is going to be even better.

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The nice thing about homicide is that you don’t really have to argue about rates of reporting.

It’s falling.



What do you expect coming out of a pandemic? Inflation. Yet you’re going to blame Biden almost exclusively for that. I don’t know. Seems like you have a double standard here.


You’ve yet to show any of my data is incorrect. But we clearly know that large swaths of the electorate, especially Republicans have false beliefs of the state of the economy.

Has it ever occurred to you that any inaccurate beliefs that people might have about the economy is the result of the fact that they don't have as much money to spend now is they did under Trump? Democrats are trying their darndest to make people believe that their pocketbook is lying to them. Whether it's real wage growth, GDP, unemployment or inflation doesn't really matter. Life was better for most people under Trump. That's the bottom line.

 

[FA_Q2]

Has it ever occurred to you that any inaccurate beliefs that people might have about the economy is the result of the fact that they don't have as much money to spend now is they did under Trump? Democrats are trying their darndest to make people believe that their pocketbook is lying to them. Whether it's real wage growth, GDP, unemployment or inflation doesn't really matter. Life was better for most people under Trump. That's the bottom line.

When all the data disagrees with you, then it must be the data that is wrong.

This is the new right.

 

[Marener]

Has it ever occurred to you that any inaccurate beliefs that people might have about the economy is the result of the fact that they don't have as much money to spend now is they did under Trump? Democrats are trying their darndest to make people believe that their pocketbook is lying to them. Whether it's real wage growth, GDP, unemployment or inflation doesn't really matter. Life was better for most people under Trump. That's the bottom line.

Then why do people mostly say they’re doing okay but the economy is doing terrible?

If everyone were truly so much worse off, we’d see their purchasing habits change but we haven’t.

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

I don’t have a problem saying life was better before COVID. It has nothing to do with Trump.

 

[Papageorgio]

He’s running for president. He’s on the ballot. Just like Harris.

Didn’t win a primary.

Of course that’s okay with the right. Undoubtedly.

He dropped out long ago

 

[Marener]

He dropped out long ago

Did he drop out because he never won a single primary? Is he off all the ballots?

Nope. Nope.

Didn’t bother any of you hacks before.

 

[DukeU]

I mean, why else would so many Republicans think inflation is getting worse, unemployment is historically high, GDP is falling and that we are in a recession? They're not hearing it from left wing media.

Because they have jobs and collect paychecks and use their pay to spend on maintaining their lifestyle?!?

Just a guess though.

 

[Slyhunter]

When all the data disagrees with you, then it must be the data that is wrong.

This is the new right.

You mean left.
Remember the time when a lot of their climate change temperature readings were on the backside of Air Conditioners.

 

[IM2]

In 2016 the Democratic candidate got the most votes. In 2020 the Republicn candidate lost by 7 million votes then tried to stage a coup. Try not using false equivalences to whine Republicans.

 

[Marener]

Because they have jobs and collect paychecks and use their pay to spend on maintaining their lifestyle?!?

Just a guess though.

The vast majority of people say their financial status is good or better.

 

[SweetTea]

When all the data disagrees with you, then it must be the data that is wrong.

This is the new right.

I never said the data disagrees with me. The point is that obviously there are data points that are contributing to people being less well off. You figure it out instead of letting the media tell you that it isn't happening.

 

[SweetTea]

The vast majority of people say their financial status is good or better.

Wrong. Let me guess, some axios poll.

 

[SweetTea]

Because they have jobs and collect paychecks and use their pay to spend on maintaining their lifestyle?!?

Just a guess though.

Honestly, these people are too brainwashed to have any common sense.

 

[Marener]

Wrong. Let me guess, some axios poll.

From the federal reserve.

Let me guess. They’re communist democrats who are falsifying the data to push their liberal agenda.

 

[Papageorgio]

You are fortunate to have a skill that pays well. Me too. But during the Bush 2000's, no one was paid well. In fact, from 1978 to today, WE have only got a 18% raise. THEY have gotten as much as a 1322% raise. Yes, some CEO pay has gone up that much.

The opposite of WOKE is asleep

Celebrity brings excitement. And a lot of people respect Beyonce/Bruce/Taylor

Very true and under Obama and Biden were the greatest separation of middle class and the rich

 

[DukeU]

The vast majority of people say their financial status is good or better.

Why is the homeless population growing?

 

[Marener]

Why is the homeless population growing?

What percentage of the country is homeless?