Zone1 Why is it not politically correct to be critical of religions other than Christianity?

You choose to ignore what anyone says so that you can keep your beliefs. Instead of refuting what I say, you engage in diversions intended to steer the topic away from what I was saying. What Jesus said to his alleged apostles that was written decades later, by the way and no one knows what he said, is irrelevant. IF the story of the money changers is true, then it is logical the Jews wanted him gone. He was tried for sedition because the Romans were told he was a threat to their authority. You know this. Why do you ignore it. Sedition was a hanging offense.

To create a religion, people concocted a story that he sacrificed for us and rose from the dead, none of which there is any evidence of outside the bible.
It doesn't work to tell me what I am "really doing." I ignore all that you invent. Look in the mirror. You divert from scripture, and like with me, you tell us what scripture "really says" or what that "really is" is meaningless and irrelevant. Religion is not "created". The etymology is from the word meaning to bond with the divine. As you have never experienced such a bond, and just like you invent what people are "really doing", what scripture "really says" and what religion "really is" you have created your own imaginary world--basically accusing people of faith what you are doing. This is why I recommend you look in the mirror. When it comes to faith/religion you are so far out in left field, we are not even in the same ballpark. You are playing a different game.
 
Paul lied. Like Schiff. I don't have to prove he lied. The story is preposterous. A vision of Jesus. Yeah, rigggghhht.
That is a personal assessment. You (and perhaps some others) say Paul lied. That's fine, and it means we have nothing to discuss because I (and many others) believe Paul truthfully related his personal experience. It changed his life.
 
Had to come back because one of your comments is annoying, which is to use the abuse my mother took from my father and you apparently think this is what made me rebel. That wasn't it at all. It was the fact that the story itself is preposterous beyond belief. Rising humans, a sacrifice that isn't, heaven, hell, the devil, the church as a go between, robes, incense, candles, statuary and the fact that Christianity plagiarized all religions before it to make a god badder and more powerful and then commanded people to not believe in any other god before him.

To me, it's a very bad and contrived novel written by controlling white males to keep women and the populace under their collective thumbs. My parents were just following the edicts of the church which you now ignore because now after centuries they say "Oh, just forget all that stuff about slavery, homosexuals, women are inferior and property. We reached a deeper understanding now that we are losing people right and left. The beliefs and morals of secular people are cool with us now.
Again, the above is your personal opinion that some share. The reason I (and others) do not is because we have incorporated scripture into our own lives and discovered truth, which we live to the best of our abilities. Plus, we never made the mistake of thinking all of scripture was about us personally.
 
Had to come back because one of your comments is annoying, which is to use the abuse my mother took from my father and you apparently think this is what made me rebel. That wasn't it at all. It was the fact that the story itself is preposterous beyond belief. Rising humans, a sacrifice that isn't, heaven, hell, the devil, the church as a go between, robes, incense, candles, statuary and the fact that Christianity plagiarized all religions before it to make a god badder and more powerful and then commanded people to not believe in any other god before him.

To me, it's a very bad and contrived novel written by controlling white males to keep women and the populace under their collective thumbs. My parents were just following the edicts of the church which you now ignore because now after centuries they say "Oh, just forget all that stuff about slavery, homosexuals, women are inferior and property. We reached a deeper understanding now that we are losing people right and left. The beliefs and morals of secular people are cool with us now.
The God of the Bible should be credited with stopping human sacrifice.

The more archeologists discover the remains of ancient religions, the more they realize just how common human sacrifice was in ancient times to pagan gods. Many, like probably yourself, are appalled at the story of God telling Abraham to sacrifice his son to him on an alter. However, for Abraham, this would not have seemed odd considering all of the pagan religions around him did the same. God then stopping Abraham from going through with it, sent a message to future followers of the God of the Bible, which was that the God of the Bible was not like other pagan gods that required a human sacrifice. In fact, God thought of it as an abomination. God then removed all of the peoples in the Holy Land that did sacrifice their children to pagan gods like Molech. I realize you find the command to only worship the one true God as trivial and arrogant, but the reality is when they did not this is the sort of behavior they devolved into. Unfortunately, when we disconnect from God this is the sort of behavior we all tend to devolve into.

As for slavery, the slavery of the Bible was in no way like the slavery of the Deep South in the US back in the 1800's. The slavery in the US was a con game of convincing the populace that the slaves were nothing more than glorified apes, all so they could have indefinite free labor along with their offspring. It was a never-ending supply of free labor and oppression. That was the purpose. However, the slavery in the Bible that was allowed was not like this. First of all, they rested on the Sabbath. Secondly, they could only be slaves for about 7 years at which time they were given their freedom to get a new start on life. Thirdly, there was no underlying notion of them being racially or intellectually inferior to the rest of the populace. It was merely a way for them to survive when they were having hard economic times. Moses freeing the Hebrews from Egyptian slavery, which was more in line with the US slavery in the 1800's, is message enough from the God of the Bible that slavery was not the ideal goal from man. Christ even mentioned that people became a slave to sin, which was what he came to set us free from. So, I think you are not being intellectually honest in your harsh assessment regarding the Bible and slavery.

As for women, women were treated very well in ancient times from a Biblical perspective. Back then, women had zero rights as it was survival of the fittest and the strongest. However, in the Biblical narrative we have women for the first time being held in high regard, whether it be Miriam who was the sister of Moses who was a prophetess, or Debrah who was a military commander of the Hebrew people, or two holy books that were exclusively about women of the Hebrew people, one of which ended up saving the entire Jewish race in the books of Ruth and Ester. And as Jesus mentioned when we die there will be no distinction between men and women, thus being equals.
 
It doesn't work to tell me what I am "really doing." I ignore all that you invent. Look in the mirror. You divert from scripture, and like with me, you tell us what scripture "really says" or what that "really is" is meaningless and irrelevant. Religion is not "created". The etymology is from the word meaning to bond with the divine. As you have never experienced such a bond, and just like you invent what people are "really doing", what scripture "really says" and what religion "really is" you have created your own imaginary world--basically accusing people of faith what you are doing. This is why I recommend you look in the mirror. When it comes to faith/religion you are so far out in left field, we are not even in the same ballpark. You are playing a different game.
It doesn't really matter to me what some unknown people wrote 2000 years or so ago. More like 60-120 years after the events. You choose to believe that somehow those words are all inspired by God. You think that is perfectly rational and when asked for proof you ignore it.
 
That is a personal assessment. You (and perhaps some others) say Paul lied. That's fine, and it means we have nothing to discuss because I (and many others) believe Paul truthfully related his personal experience. It changed his life.
That is right. Paul is the only one who we have some reasonable certainty he wrote SOME of the bible. Many scholars say half of what he wrote was not his writings, meaning I guess your God inspired some OTHER unknown writer(s).

In a day and age when visions were claimed by many, Paul made claims of a vision. No one corroborated what he said., But you choose to ignore all that because you have to have the story be true.
 
Again, the above is your personal opinion that some share. The reason I (and others) do not is because we have incorporated scripture into our own lives and discovered truth, which we live to the best of our abilities. Plus, we never made the mistake of thinking all of scripture was about us personally.
I incorporated nonbelief and freedom in mine. I am better and happier for it.
 
Which part was I not using?
Here is your post:
How do you even know that the money changer incident happened? You cling to that but throw out the rest?

Interesting.

Hitler also loved the money changer story and said that this was his favorite part of the Bible and the only one that was true, only because he hated Jews and believed them all to be thieves.


I had no clue Hitler "loved the money changer story" If he did that's news tome because my post wasn't about Jews. It was about the probability that the money changers were extremely angry and plotted to have him killed for it in the same way that Obama, Clinton, Comey, Brennan, Clapper, Weissman, and Perkins Coie plotted to "kill" Trump (virtually) because he was a threat to their power.

I don't know the money changer story didn't happen and said if it did that is a perfect reason to want Jesus killed.
 
God then stopping Abraham from going through with it ...

abraham altered the plan himself and sacrificed an innocent lamb instead ... losing all credibility from within the heavens and their thoughtful neighbors.
 
Here is your post:
How do you even know that the money changer incident happened? You cling to that but throw out the rest?

Interesting.

Hitler also loved the money changer story and said that this was his favorite part of the Bible and the only one that was true, only because he hated Jews and believed them all to be thieves.


I had no clue Hitler "loved the money changer story" If he did that's news tome because my post wasn't about Jews. It was about the probability that the money changers were extremely angry and plotted to have him killed for it in the same way that Obama, Clinton, Comey, Brennan, Clapper, Weissman, and Perkins Coie plotted to "kill" Trump (virtually) because he was a threat to their power.

I don't know the money changer story didn't happen and said if it did that is a perfect reason to want Jesus killed.
My point was that Hitler wanted to believe Jews were evil, so he incorporated his view on the event into his belief system through the Biblical story.

You have done the same by not wanting to believe that Jesus proclaimed to be God in the flesh, because you don't want to believe he is the only Son of God through whom only salvation can come.

Both of you have taken the story out of the same book neither one of you can corroborate nor prove false, and all based on what you want to believe while ignoring the rest.
 
My point was that Hitler wanted to believe Jews were evil, so he incorporated his view on the event into his belief system through the Biblical story.

You have done the same by not wanting to believe that Jesus proclaimed to be God in the flesh, because you don't want to believe he is the only Son of God through whom only salvation can come.

Both of you have taken the story out of the same book neither one of you can corroborate nor prove false, and all based on what you want to believe while ignoring the rest.
All claims.
 
We should be critical of all religions, and many people are.

The reason Christianity gets the most criticism is because this is an American message board and Christianity is clearly the biggest religion in this country.

Furthermore, when religion tries to breach into our politics, it’s always Christians responsible for it. It’s not the Scientologists, as crazy as they are, who went after the teaching of evolution. It’s not the Muslims, as crazy as they are, who are passing laws that allow only their religious text to be placed in all classrooms. I don’t see the Satanists declaring that this is a Satanist nation and that their holy book is more important than our Constitution.
 
We should be critical of all religions, and many people are.

The reason Christianity gets the most criticism is because this is an American message board and Christianity is clearly the biggest religion in this country.

Furthermore, when religion tries to breach into our politics, it’s always Christians responsible for it. It’s not the Scientologists, as crazy as they are, who went after the teaching of evolution. It’s not the Muslims, as crazy as they are, who are passing laws that allow only their religious text to be placed in all classrooms. I don’t see the Satanists declaring that this is a Satanist nation and that their holy book is more important than our Constitution.
Will you just listen to yourself for a second?

You just said that Muslims, as crazy as they are, only pass laws their religion allows and is taught in their class rooms, and in the same breath, you say that Christians are the only ones that intermingle Christianity with politics?

I'm sorry, children in the US can't even mention the word God in school without fear of people like yourself getting all bent out of shape over it, let alone teach anything Christian in those classrooms. Also, the US is where abortion and gay marriage are the laws of the land. Yea, if Christians own the US political system, they are doing a lousy job of it.

Try again.
 
We should be critical of all religions, and many people are.

The reason Christianity gets the most criticism is because this is an American message board and Christianity is clearly the biggest religion in this country.

Furthermore, when religion tries to breach into our politics, it’s always Christians responsible for it. It’s not the Scientologists, as crazy as they are, who went after the teaching of evolution. It’s not the Muslims, as crazy as they are, who are passing laws that allow only their religious text to be placed in all classrooms. I don’t see the Satanists declaring that this is a Satanist nation and that their holy book is more important than our Constitution.
Thats because Christians were and are in a huge majority and therefore have clout. I imagine in Iran it is the reverse.
 
Thats because Christians were and are in a huge majority and therefore have clout. I imagine in Iran it is the reverse.
How much clout do Christians have in the US?

Kids continue to undergo genital mutilation via Left wing indoctrination that not even Trump can stop and Christians can't even put up the Ten Commandments in a court room for God's sake.

Ridiculous.

As for the children in Iran, just know they are indoctrinated about how evil Jews are, just like children continue to be indoctrinated at Left wing Universities around the US today, and yes, even with Trump in charge

I'm sorry, what was that about Christians, who are the majority, having so much political power along with Adolf Trump?

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You just said that Muslims, as crazy as they are, only pass laws their religion allows and is taught in their class rooms, and in the same breath, you say that Christians are the only ones that intermingle Christianity with politics?

No.

“It’s not the Muslims, as crazy as they are, who are passing laws that allow only their religious text to be placed in all classrooms.”
 
No.

“It’s not the Muslims, as crazy as they are, who are passing laws that allow only their religious text to be placed in all classrooms.”
You have to come to terms with the fact that no other religious or political entity has more propaganda power and political power over the populace than does the Left.

They own you and the country, even with Trump in power.

I have even seen churches shift to the Left on many issues.

It is noteworthy that people like Paradoxical seems to be a Trump supporter but continues to be blinded by Left wing propaganda that Christianity is the biggest threat to US politics in terms of power and influence. Very telling
 
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You have to come to terms with the fact that no other religious or political entity has more propaganda power and political power over the populace than does the Left.

They own you and the country, even with Trump in power.

I have even seen churches shift to the Left on many issues.

It is noteworthy that people like Paradoxical seems to be a Trump supporter but continues to be blinded by Left wing propaganda that Christianity is the biggest threat to US politics in terms of power and influence. Very telling
That’s debatable. And “the left” isn’t a religion, which is what I was talking about and thought you were referring to.
 
You have to come to terms with the fact that no other religious or political entity has more propaganda power and political power over the populace than does the Left.

They own you and the country, even with Trump in power.

I have even seen churches shift to the Left on many issues.

It is noteworthy that people like Paradoxical seems to be a Trump supporter but continues to be blinded by Left wing propaganda that Christianity is the biggest threat to US politics in terms of power and influence. Very telling
It is impossible for me to lay out my beliefs in just a post or two. That you said, "Paradoxical seems to be a Trump supporter but continues to be blinded by Left wing propaganda that Christianity is the biggest threat to US politics in terms of power and influence. Very telling" is what is telling. That is because as a Trump supporter and staunch conservative, you and many of your tribal members (Christians) think that I automatically should be a Christian because that is expected. In this regard, your use of the words "Very telling" is an automatic-ingrained response used by your elders in the past to make people conform to THEIR belief systems and because of that you inherited those genes or memes (memories). The slur is a way to keep tribal purity and a reminder to any other Christian that starts questioning their Christian beliefs to not dare do that lest the tribe would scorn and deride them.

That is why I brought up Iran. If you were born there, you would have been taught that Islam is the way and the truth and the light and anytime you dared stray from the beliefs passed down over the centuries as being sent by Allah himself you would be reprimanded by your elders and that would have become an ingrained belief in you to where you would do the same in adulthood by telling someone who is a Muslim that it is "Very telling" if he asserted that he doesn't believe women should be made to wear burkas. Beliefs are with us because of tribal conditioning. Just for you and other Christians, my next post will be a blog I wrote today on this topic.
 
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