Why is it always Muslims?

[JoeB131]

He's got something Muslim up his butt somewhere. Just mention the word Islam or Muslims and he's all over you, like a Mohammad on 8 year old Aisha.

NO, I've got something against little Zionists cowards trying to get us to fight their battles.

 

[Steinlight]

Islamic texts don't validate anything, except when the actual texts inspire Islamic extremists to engage in terrorism, wow what an insightful post.

Or Christian texts, for that matter. A whole bunch of people have been killed over the centuries and they used the bible to justify it.

Yea exactly, no difference between Christianity and Islam. Remind me again of when the Catholic terrorist attack on Charlie Hebdo occurred after the cartoonists insulted the Pope?

 

[JoeB131]

Yea exactly, no difference between Christianity and Islam. Remind me again of when the Catholic terrorist attack on Charlie Hebdo occurred after the cartoonists insulted the Pope?

What I remember is the pope being involved in a 50 year conspiracy to hide pedophile priests...

Obviously, what 13 guys do is not indicative of "Islam", any more than Eric Rudolf blowing up abortion clinics and gay bars is indicative of "CHristianity".

 

[toastman]

He's got something Muslim up his butt somewhere. Just mention the word Islam or Muslims and he's all over you, like a Mohammad on 8 year old Aisha.

NO, I've got something against little Zionists cowards trying to get us to fight their battles.

Funny you would lie about that, since America has never fought an Israeli war. Why do you lie so much ?

 

[JoeB131]

He's got something Muslim up his butt somewhere. Just mention the word Islam or Muslims and he's all over you, like a Mohammad on 8 year old Aisha.

NO, I've got something against little Zionists cowards trying to get us to fight their battles.

Funny you would lie about that, since America has never fought an Israeli war. Why do you lie so much ?

You mean other than taking out Saddam for them, occupying Lebanon in the 1980's for them, bombing Libya.

I mean, it always seems that whoever the Zionists are scared of always seem to find themselves on the business end of American weapons.

And just because AIPAC and Bill Krystol are out there beating the war drums for Iran right now, even though the Iranians are nowhere near a bomb according to our own intelligence estimates, we shouldn't take that seriously, either.

 

[toastman]

He's got something Muslim up his butt somewhere. Just mention the word Islam or Muslims and he's all over you, like a Mohammad on 8 year old Aisha.

NO, I've got something against little Zionists cowards trying to get us to fight their battles.

Funny you would lie about that, since America has never fought an Israeli war. Why do you lie so much ?

You mean other than taking out Saddam for them, occupying Lebanon in the 1980's for them, bombing Libya.

I mean, it always seems that whoever the Zionists are scared of always seem to find themselves on the business end of American weapons.

And just because AIPAC and Bill Krystol are out there beating the war drums for Iran right now, even though the Iranians are nowhere near a bomb according to our own intelligence estimates, we shouldn't take that seriously, either.

Iraq was not an Israeli war and neither was Libya. Oh, and America made the decision on their own to attack those two countries.

 

[Steinlight]

Yea exactly, no difference between Christianity and Islam. Remind me again of when the Catholic terrorist attack on Charlie Hebdo occurred after the cartoonists insulted the Pope?

What I remember is the pope being involved in a 50 year conspiracy to hide pedophile priests...

Obviously, what 13 guys do is not indicative of "Islam", any more than Eric Rudolf blowing up abortion clinics and gay bars is indicative of "CHristianity".

Yup, islamic fundamentalists killing cartoonists because the cartoonists insulted muhammad has nothing to do with Islam. Sound analysis there. Because yea, why don't you tell the French people and the rest of us Europeans how Radical Islam is no more a threat than Christianity. Tell us how muslim terrorism has nothing to do with Islam, and we in europe should be equally worried about some obscure american abortion clinic bomber. Why don't you see how that goes

So they killed the guys and just shouted "allah akbar" and "we have avenged the prophet" to cover their tracks. They were probably zionist undercovers or something like the Palestinian press says right?

You are more likely to get molested in a public school than at a Catholic Church.
http://www2.ed.gov/rschstat/research/pubs/misconductreview/report.pdf

I guess public schools are more of a threat than islam since in your mind christianity and islam are no different and you are more likely to get molested there than your local parish.

Yup, Christianity just as bad as Islam. Public Schools even worse, lets tear down public schools and build madrassas for the children of tomorrow!

 

[DigitalDrifter]

And Ike would have never worked to take gun rights away from Americans like you would.He was also a member of the NRA.

Back in Ike's day, the NRA wasn't a bunch of crazy people who said we needed guns to shoot "Jack booted" government employees.

In fact, back in those oldy days the NRA supported common sense gun control.

When 1966 Reagan passed a law against open carry in California, the NRA totally supported him.

You don't want civilians to have guns PERIOD ! So regardless of how the NRA was in the past, you would have been against them.

 

[JoeB131]

Iraq was not an Israeli war and neither was Libya. Oh, and America made the decision on their own to attack those two countries.

sure we did. It's not like we were lied to or that AIPAC wasn't lobbying heavily for that or all the pundits and politicians arguing for it happened to be, you know, members of a certain religion.

 

[rdean]

Why is it always Muslims?

Perhaps you should ask Republican Timothy McVeigh that question. Oh wait, you can't. He's dead.

 

[JoeB131]

You don't want civilians to have guns PERIOD ! So regardless of how the NRA was in the past, you would have been against them.

There's no reason for civilians to have guns. Not a good one. And back in Ike's day, not every civilian had them and we had common sense gun control and the government did regulate who could have them.

which is exactly my point that a lot of you don't get. When I started voting Republican in 1980, the GOP was not dominated by gun nuts, religious nuts and libertarian nuts. Republicans stood for smart, efficient government that paid its bills and took care of its obligations.

 

[JoeB131]

Yup, islamic fundamentalists killing cartoonists because the cartoonists insulted muhammad has nothing to do with Islam. Sound analysis there. Because yea, why don't you tell the French people and the rest of us Europeans how Radical Islam is no more a threat than Christianity. Tell us how muslim terrorism has nothing to do with Islam, and we in europe should be equally worried about some obscure american abortion clinic bomber. Why don't you see how that goes

I could give a fuck less what people in Europe are worried about. The argument here is why you guys think that a few extremists committing acts of violence should be taken out on a religion that involves 1.3 billion people, most of whom AREN'T shooting racist cartoonists.

Just like most Christians aren't bombing abortion clinics and gay bars.

 

[Osomir]

So....now you're bringing the Algerian independence movement from French colonists as justification and equivalent Muslims slaughtering cartoonists? Just how lame are you? That isn't even CLOSE.

March 15th 1962, a group of French Christians abduct writer Mouloud Feraoun (close former friend of French writer Albert Camus), they shoot him 12 times in the chest for the "liberalism" of his writings. His offending line: "The War in Algeria is ending. Peace to those who are dead. Peace to those who are going to survive. Let the terror cease. Vive la liberte!"

You are desperate and a fucking idiot aren't you? Algeria was a French colony 70 years ago, and there was an ongoing war to liberate it. What the fuck does that have to do with Muslims all over Western Europe attacking Western values, and freedom of artistic expression by slaughtering those who mock Islam?

Is Europe a Muslim colony, or perhaps occupied Muslim lands?

January 28th, 1962 French terrorists plant explosives into a printing press that produces political posters that offends them (posters saying "neither the suitcase nor the coffin but cooperation" - a message of peace). When opened, the press explodes and kills nineteen people and cripples two others. Dr. Jean-Claude Perez, head of the O.R.O. would call the larger mission "the last battle for White Christian civilization in the northern part of Africa."

 

[Roudy]

So....now you're bringing the Algerian independence movement from French colonists as justification and equivalent Muslims slaughtering cartoonists? Just how lame are you? That isn't even CLOSE.

March 15th 1962, a group of French Christians abduct writer Mouloud Feraoun (close former friend of French writer Albert Camus), they shoot him 12 times in the chest for the "liberalism" of his writings. His offending line: "The War in Algeria is ending. Peace to those who are dead. Peace to those who are going to survive. Let the terror cease. Vive la liberte!"

You are desperate and a fucking idiot aren't you? Algeria was a French colony 70 years ago, and there was an ongoing war to liberate it. What the fuck does that have to do with Muslims all over Western Europe attacking Western values, and freedom of artistic expression by slaughtering those who mock Islam?

Is Europe a Muslim colony, or perhaps occupied Muslim lands?

January 28th, 1962 French terrorists plant explosives into a printing press that produces political posters that offends them (posters saying "neither the suitcase nor the coffin but cooperation" - a message of peace). When opened, the press explodes and kills nineteen people and cripples two others. Dr. Jean-Claude Perez, head of the O.R.O. would call the larger mission "the last battle for White Christian civilization in the northern part of Africa."

That's the closest you can get? The Algerian independence war against the French colonial powers?

Is Europe an ex Muslim colony? Why did Muslims kill Van Gogh's son for producing an anti Islam movie, and a Sweedish cartoonist? Are Muslims in Denmark, Sweden, England, Canada, Australia and France fighting to keep their Islamic colonies?

Such a similar and relevant example you provided. But hey, that's all ya got, that's all ya got.

 

[Osomir]

The history of the world has seen many outbreaks of religious based violence, and certainly Christianity has more than it's share of murder and pillage.
BUT, around the world TODAY, the religion that is the home of the majority of terrorism, murder, and mayhem, is Islam.
And when liberals go out of their way to look past that fact, especially when their defense is always to point to past events such as the Crusades, they lose credibility.

The Lord's Resistance Army is still in operation today. But also, as I said, relying on religion as your fundamental explanatory variable for conflict often affords one a very poor understanding of the root causes of modern conflict. Mathematically Islam isn't a significant contributing factor, religion in general isn't in fact, and has been studied intensely by economists such as Paul Collier. Identity plurality within a contained population set (usually based around state lines), does show some statistical significance in explaining conflict and such identities can exist surrounding religious identity, but it is just as potent of a factors as say ethnic plurality, or rigid party identity, nor does it matter what religions make up said pluralistic identity.

I don't totally disagree with you, but in the case of Islam, in certain regions of the world this religion keeps much of the followers in a perpetual state of alienation from the modern world due to the refusal of a sizable number of the followers to let go of ancient fundamental beliefs and views.
Thus the growth of poverty and the growth of extremism and thus a more likely possibility that followers of this particular religion will turn to jihad to force their ways on others

Islam has surrounded a significant part of political and identity based violence recently, but that is more happenstance / situational than anything to do with theology. It has more to do with state evolution and the emergence of transnational identities in the face of weak domestic identities/ institutions than anything else. Many parts of the world face such issues, Europe did too when it was in that period of state building and identity, we even had two world wars (among many others) over it. With former colonial regions though we tend to see the rise, during the Cold War and their respective periods of independence, of socialist big men states. This was not unexpected. Capitalism was associated with the west who had just gotten done lording over these regions as autocratic governments that had prevented their freedom. So when many of these states developed afterward they swung in the opposite direction in Africa we saw the rise of African socialism, and in the Middle East we saw heavy secular nationalist regimes, socialist regimes, and even the emergence of some fascism.

As we know though socialism doesn't tend to wok out too well, throw on top the discord of just starting out and many of these states either collapsed or faced huge internal problems that required either regime change, or the hardining of political lines, dictatorial rule and a crackdown on civil society. We saw this all over the third world. Such state crackdowns wasn't very good for the fostering of broad political identities. Instead, opposition movements had to exist within society wherever they could survive. For many African states opposition then resorted to tribal lines and region specific areas of African states where they had bastions of resistance within a physical space. This led to a lot of civil conflict in Sub-Saharan Africa, and to the eventually the African spring of 1990. In the Middle East, which tended to have stronger centralized state structures and institutions, and where the reach of the government tended to be wider, the primary safe(ish) sector of opposition was within religious institutions. It was one of the only areas where public discourse could take place that the government had a harder time controlling. So we saw the emergence particularly in the 50s 60s and 70s of opposition groups surrounding religious dialogue during the period of late state failure. That's just where we are in the state evolutionary process. It isn't anything particularly special or unique, just the particulars have differed. Nor is it anything permanent. Islamists are likely to be poor rulers and like their dictatorial strong men and socialist governments before them, they will eventually be washed away in the state building process.

 

[irosie91]

a bunch of sophistry------the issue of institutional breakdown
does nothing to explain why young people tie bombs to their
asses

 

[Osomir]

So....now you're bringing the Algerian independence movement from French colonists as justification and equivalent Muslims slaughtering cartoonists? Just how lame are you? That isn't even CLOSE.

March 15th 1962, a group of French Christians abduct writer Mouloud Feraoun (close former friend of French writer Albert Camus), they shoot him 12 times in the chest for the "liberalism" of his writings. His offending line: "The War in Algeria is ending. Peace to those who are dead. Peace to those who are going to survive. Let the terror cease. Vive la liberte!"

You are desperate and a fucking idiot aren't you? Algeria was a French colony 70 years ago, and there was an ongoing war to liberate it. What the fuck does that have to do with Muslims all over Western Europe attacking Western values, and freedom of artistic expression by slaughtering those who mock Islam?

Is Europe a Muslim colony, or perhaps occupied Muslim lands?

January 28th, 1962 French terrorists plant explosives into a printing press that produces political posters that offends them (posters saying "neither the suitcase nor the coffin but cooperation" - a message of peace). When opened, the press explodes and kills nineteen people and cripples two others. Dr. Jean-Claude Perez, head of the O.R.O. would call the larger mission "the last battle for White Christian civilization in the northern part of Africa."

That's the closest you can get? The Algerian independence war against the French colonial powers?

Is Europe an ex Muslim colony? Why did Muslims kill Van Gogh's son for producing an anti Islam movie, and a Sweedish cartoonist? Are Muslims in Denmark, Sweden, England, Canada, Australia and France fighting to keep their Islamic colonies?

Such a similar and relevant example you provided. But hey, that's all ya got, that's all ya got.

Jan. 1962 A French terrorist known as Le Monocle orders attacks against liberal writers and speakers in Paris. In a single night 18 bombs are detonated, dubbed 'la nuit bleue' by the French press.

You keep trying to dismiss this as a war. It wasn't. It was terrorism. Besides much of the operations took place after the war was over or in direct response to open ceasefires and peace talks.

 

[Roudy]

The history of the world has seen many outbreaks of religious based violence, and certainly Christianity has more than it's share of murder and pillage.
BUT, around the world TODAY, the religion that is the home of the majority of terrorism, murder, and mayhem, is Islam.
And when liberals go out of their way to look past that fact, especially when their defense is always to point to past events such as the Crusades, they lose credibility.

The Lord's Resistance Army is still in operation today. But also, as I said, relying on religion as your fundamental explanatory variable for conflict often affords one a very poor understanding of the root causes of modern conflict. Mathematically Islam isn't a significant contributing factor, religion in general isn't in fact, and has been studied intensely by economists such as Paul Collier. Identity plurality within a contained population set (usually based around state lines), does show some statistical significance in explaining conflict and such identities can exist surrounding religious identity, but it is just as potent of a factors as say ethnic plurality, or rigid party identity, nor does it matter what religions make up said pluralistic identity.

I don't totally disagree with you, but in the case of Islam, in certain regions of the world this religion keeps much of the followers in a perpetual state of alienation from the modern world due to the refusal of a sizable number of the followers to let go of ancient fundamental beliefs and views.
Thus the growth of poverty and the growth of extremism and thus a more likely possibility that followers of this particular religion will turn to jihad to force their ways on others

Islam has surrounded a significant part of political and identity based violence recently, but that is more happenstance / situational than anything to do with theology. It has more to do with state evolution and the emergence of transnational identities in the face of weak domestic identities/ institutions than anything else. Many parts of the world face such issues, Europe did too when it was in that period of state building and identity, we even had two world wars (among many others) over it. With former colonial regions though we tend to see the rise, during the Cold War and their respective periods of independence, of socialist big men states. This was not unexpected. Capitalism was associated with the west who had just gotten done lording over these regions as autocratic governments that had prevented their freedom. So when many of these states developed afterward they swung in the opposite direction in Africa we saw the rise of African socialism, and in the Middle East we saw heavy secular nationalist regimes, socialist regimes, and even the emergence of some fascism.

As we know though socialism doesn't tend to wok out too well, throw on top the discord of just starting out and many of these states either collapsed or faced huge internal problems that required either regime change, or the hardining of political lines, dictatorial rule and a crackdown on civil society. We saw this all over the third world. Such state crackdowns wasn't very good for the fostering of broad political identities. Instead, opposition movements had to exist within society wherever they could survive. For many African states opposition then resorted to tribal lines and region specific areas of African states where they had bastions of resistance within a physical space. This led to a lot of civil conflict in Sub-Saharan Africa, and to the eventually the African spring of 1990. In the Middle East, which tended to have stronger centralized state structures and institutions, and where the reach of the government tended to be wider, the primary safe(ish) sector of opposition was within religious institutions. It was one of the only areas where public discourse could take place that the government had a harder time controlling. So we saw the emergence particularly in the 50s 60s and 70s of opposition groups surrounding religious dialogue during the period of late state failure. That's just where we are in the state evolutionary process. It isn't anything particularly special or unique, just the particulars have differed. Nor is it anything permanent. Islamists are likely to be poor rulers and like their dictatorial strong men and socialist governments before them, they will eventually be washed away in the state building process.

What are you blabbering? These are Muslim immigrating into Europe from various middle eastern countries, who are dictating to these Western style democracies, that they have no right to freedom of expression when it comes to Islam or their prophet, and they kill you for it.

There are many other immigrant groups in Europe, but it's only Muslims that do this kind of shit. That's a fact. They cannot coexist and do not accept the rules of the Western democracies they themselves immigrated to.

 

[Roudy]

So....now you're bringing the Algerian independence movement from French colonists as justification and equivalent Muslims slaughtering cartoonists? Just how lame are you? That isn't even CLOSE.

March 15th 1962, a group of French Christians abduct writer Mouloud Feraoun (close former friend of French writer Albert Camus), they shoot him 12 times in the chest for the "liberalism" of his writings. His offending line: "The War in Algeria is ending. Peace to those who are dead. Peace to those who are going to survive. Let the terror cease. Vive la liberte!"

You are desperate and a fucking idiot aren't you? Algeria was a French colony 70 years ago, and there was an ongoing war to liberate it. What the fuck does that have to do with Muslims all over Western Europe attacking Western values, and freedom of artistic expression by slaughtering those who mock Islam?

Is Europe a Muslim colony, or perhaps occupied Muslim lands?

January 28th, 1962 French terrorists plant explosives into a printing press that produces political posters that offends them (posters saying "neither the suitcase nor the coffin but cooperation" - a message of peace). When opened, the press explodes and kills nineteen people and cripples two others. Dr. Jean-Claude Perez, head of the O.R.O. would call the larger mission "the last battle for White Christian civilization in the northern part of Africa."

That's the closest you can get? The Algerian independence war against the French colonial powers?

Is Europe an ex Muslim colony? Why did Muslims kill Van Gogh's son for producing an anti Islam movie, and a Sweedish cartoonist? Are Muslims in Denmark, Sweden, England, Canada, Australia and France fighting to keep their Islamic colonies?

Such a similar and relevant example you provided. But hey, that's all ya got, that's all ya got.

Jan. 1962 A French terrorist known as Le Monocle orders attacks against liberal writers and speakers in Paris. In a single night 18 bombs are detonated, dubbed 'la nuit bleue' by the French press.

You keep trying to dismiss this as a war. It wasn't. It was terrorism. Besides much of the operations took place after the war was over or in direct response to open ceasefires and peace talks.

But that's all you got right? Some Frenchmen trying to hold on to a colony. Pretty pathetic if you ask me.

 

[JoeB131]

That's the closest you can get? The Algerian independence war against the French colonial powers?

Is Europe an ex Muslim colony? Why did Muslims kill Van Gogh's son for producing an anti Islam movie, and a Sweedish cartoonist? Are Muslims in Denmark, Sweden, England, Canada, Australia and France fighting to keep their Islamic colonies?

Such a similar and relevant example you provided. But hey, that's all ya got, that's all ya got

No, they are committing crimes, dipstick.

Just like your boy Eric Rudolf blew up abortion clinics or that guy who shot Doctor Tiller in his church.

But it's only bad when the Muslims do it.