A thought occurred to me.
Amazing!
What possible reason is there to go green?
Evereything from energy independence, global warming, and the health of the citizens of this nationb.
It used to mean that you believed in preventing hunting, farming and fishing depletion, which still are considered rational points of view.
Considered rational now, fought tooth and nail by the Conservatives of the time that did now want the government telling them what to do.
It dealt with things like pollution control like stopping 'love canals' and acid rain.
I was alive and reading the controversy on acid rain at the time the 'Cap and Trade' emissions rules were established. Same arguements that are at present being used against the 'Cap and Trade' for CO2.
And there were a bunch of people that denied that pollution had anything to do with the Love Canal medical problems.
But now... really. What does this even represent?
Consider now that Climate Change/Anthropogenic Global Warming has been shown to be the result of statistical manipulation by frauds and political opportunists, doesn't this kind of invalidate 95% of the reason for any push to be 'green'?
Consider that you have just told a lie. Whether willfully or out of profound ignorance is up to you to decide.
I have seen up close and personal, the glacial retreat and disappearing snowfields in the Cascades, Blues, Sierras, and Rocky Mountains.
The pictures of the polar ice caps are online for all to see.
Biologists are seeing species that have moved hundreds of miles further north, and south, in the southern hemisphere, than they have ever been observed before.
Even Roy Spencer's graphs show a rapidly increasing temperature over the last 50 years.
None of this is statistical manipulation. Ice caps and glaciers don't give a damn about statistics.
Oh sure, you have idiots out there who still believe we're going to run out of oil next week (set your always receding point of depletion to wherever) but find after find keeps proving them wrong too. Peak oilers just can't seem to accept that a bumblebee can fly despite why it shouldn't be able to according to their understanding.
Hell no, we will not run out of oil. As demand increases, price increases, and that makes previously expensive methods of recovery economical. However, is that the direction we want to go in?
Who controls the bulk of the oil? Not us. The only friendly nation that has major reserves is Canada. The rest of the oil we get by sending money to petro-dictators.
Why not switch to energy sources that are right here in the US? By use of wind, solar, geo-thermal, and nuclear, we can power our homes and transportation with energy we make ourselves.
So really, what sane person actually believes that there are any benefits to going green?
Anyone that is sane, and not an ideologically driven fool.
All I can see is that it is social engineering for the sake of centralized power over people's lives and to shove society on to inefficient and less successful technology than what currently exists.
All you can see is what you are spoon fed by drugged out radio jocks.
All this based on the skeleton of the corpse of rational conservation policy that was long abandoned in the 1960's for this current radicalism.
The radicalism of the 1960's finally gave our citizens of color real citizenship in our nation. Without that 'radicalism' Jim Crow would still rule in half of this nation.
Plus aren't these the same kind of people who believe that the world is overcrowded (utter crap) and we should kill off a few billion 'just to keep the balance'?
Hard to believe that there are people as ignorant as you. Yes, the world is overcrowded. There are too many people for the limited resources of this planet to give them all a reasonable standard of living.
As for your drivel about killing off a few billion of them, that is exactly what people like you are proposing to do by ignoring what the climate is trying to tell us about the level of the
GHGs.
Balance of what, we don't really know as we've shown even now we have lots of excess capacity to produce food, with the technology to allow even more people to live well on this world.
So really. Why bother going green?
It has been shown that many forms of life get along without a brain, so it is obvious that you believe it is totally unneccessary for you to use the one that you have.
Right now, we are mining water on every continent on earth, other than Antarctica. And many of the mines are about to run out, as the infilling of the aquifers is orders of magnitudes less than the withdrawal of the water for agriculture. When that water is gone, so is the agriculture.
On every continent, farmland is every day being paved over for cities, by the square mile per day. And here in the state, Conservatives fight zoning tooth and nail.
At present, the food reserves in the world are dwindling, and have been for years.
When there are no reserves, that means any kind of disaster, manmade or natural, will result in hundreds of thousands to millions starving.
I was alive and reading the controversy on acid rain at the time the 'Cap and Trade' emissions rules were established. Same arguements that are at present being used against the 'Cap and Trade' for CO2.
Name one living being that exhales Sulfur Dioxide. Not similar. There is no proof that man-made carbon dioxide is harming the environment OR causing any change to the weather. Liars and criminals are not valid sources.
Consider that you have just told a lie. Whether willfully or out of profound ignorance is up to you to decide.
Really...? And who's just been caught committing, and conspiring to commit fraud? Ohh that's right, the East Anglia University Climate Research Unit, and their allies at Penn State and NASA. Not to mention that the IPCC has admitted they neither peer reviewed sources for glacier melting and rainforest depletion AS WELL AS taking information from activists, and students using non-scientific anecdotal 'evidence' as hard science truth.
Smells like you're the one fulla shit Crocks.
The pictures of the polar ice caps are online for all to see.
Except for those showing any growth. Those are conveniently missing.
Hell no, we will not run out of oil. As demand increases, price increases, and that makes previously expensive methods of recovery economical. However, is that the direction we want to go in?
Well being a peaker is one thing I won't hold against you as well then. Is fossil fuel the direction we want to go? Yes. You need to justify the superiority of another EQUAL FUNCTIONALITY energy to be considered worthy to replace it. Change is not the default option. Improvement in civilization (bigger, better, faster, stronger) is what matters, now how you feel. Show me the numbers that a green energy source is bigger, better, faster stronger, and CHEAPER... and I'll change in a heart beat. Till then, I'm good.
BTW, prices are falling because demand has fallen thanks to your god P-BO's depression. It was just going to be W's Recession till the last budget he put out.
Biologists are seeing species that have moved hundreds of miles further north, and south, in the southern hemisphere, than they have ever been observed before.
And this is a bad thing why?
Who controls the bulk of the oil? Not us. The only friendly nation that has major reserves is Canada. The rest of the oil we get by sending money to petro-dictators.
Why not switch to energy sources that are right here in the US? By use of wind, solar, geo-thermal, and nuclear, we can power our homes and transportation with energy we make ourselves.
Canada and Mexico are Petro-dictators, eh senor? Do you KNOW where most of our oil comes from? We could produce it domestically. You willing to get the fuck out of the way and drill where we know it is in ANWR, Gulf Coast, Mountain states/Plains states and off California?
Anyone that is sane, and not an ideologically driven fool.
At least you know you're an insane ideologue. Admitting you have a problem is half the battle.
The radicalism of the 1960's finally gave our citizens of color real citizenship in our nation. Without that 'radicalism' Jim Crow would still rule in half of this nation.
BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA HAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAA!!!! >GASP< IRRELEVANT HAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!
What a fucking moron. Why not say what you really believe? Without radical commie fucks there'd still be slavery? Utter bullshit. This means nothing in this discussion. You just wanna take shots cause you're exposed as a complete idiot and your religion is based on lies.
Hard to believe that there are people as ignorant as you.
Sorry, could you put down the mirror and start talking to me and not your reflection?
Yes, the world is overcrowded. There are too many people for the limited resources of this planet to give them all a reasonable standard of living.
Ahhhh and we get to it. Kill those who disagree with you. Gotcha. Ain't you just the paragon of liberal tolerance? If there are too many people in the world, I suggest you be the bigger man and leave first. The rest of us will be along presently.
psycho.
As for your drivel about killing off a few billion of them, that is exactly what people like you are proposing to do by ignoring what the climate is trying to tell us about the level of the
Utter bullshit. Apparently you don't recall that mankind came to supremacy (if science is to be believed) during the ice ages. We thrived rather well when it was hot too. As a matter of fact, we've always done BETTER when it's been hot.
It has been shown that many forms of life get along without a brain, so it is obvious that you believe it is totally unneccessary for you to use the one that you have.
Yes, but you, sir, are a modern medical miracle. Imagine! You can survive paralyzed from the neck up!
On every continent, farmland is every day being paved over for cities, by the square mile per day. And here in the state, Conservatives fight zoning tooth and nail.
And? So? We still produce more food than ever before. Better living through chemistry and farming techniques. We used to have about 50% of our population farming. Now we get along fabulously with less than 2%. What good is fallow land?
At present, the food reserves in the world are dwindling, and have been for years.
And why perchance is that? Could it have something to do with fucking around with ethanol and bio diesel? I can't remember, if it's the right percentage or not, but 25% of all corn currently goes to energy production. And yet we can't even break 10% of our total need with it. Because of this, we don't have the corn to export anymore. Huh. I wonder if there's a connection??? Don't shit on my cupcake and tell me it's frosting.
When there are no reserves, that means any kind of disaster, manmade or natural, will result in hundreds of thousands to millions starving.
I thought in your mind that was a good thing. Ohhhh! I get it. It's only a good thing if YOU are not going to be affected. Now I gotcha.
You're an idiot, and you need to stop pretending you are an authority on climate, the environment, energy, economics or society. I am not an expert, but I understand what's going on much more than you.
Socialism!!!!!!
