Zone1 Why is evil allowed in the world?

You are basically asking why God allows evil to exist. Before Adam and Eve and the Tree of Knowledge God had created the angels. Satan fell before man did. Why was this allowed to happen? The Bible does not give this explaination, it merely gives the account of it happening.
Ezekiel 28 gives an account of Satan before the fall. That he was a “seal of perfection, full of wisdom, perfect in beauty”. He was on the Holy mountain of God, blameless from the day he was created,
“until evil was found in you”.
“Your commerce was full of lawlessness, and you sinned. Therefore I banished your from the mountain of God.”

We can deduce that he had free will, and of course we know it was his pride that was his downfall.

Also, Satan is “the accuser” in ancient Hebrew. God allowed Satan to accuse humans of being unworthy, as we see in the Book of Job.

God gave us free will, and it is up to us to obey his commandments or let pride lead us to sin.
It could be a test to see if we are worthy.
Now, that's an angle I haven't considered before. So, man's deceitful nature is just QUALITY CONTROL to cull the defective units in his humankind manufacturing process. I guess quality control is important, but I wouldn't expect a perfect creator to need quality control.
 
Who are we that God loves us so well?
No. More like why is blaming us for his own incompetent design when he continues to create people with the same flaw? That is the behavior of an incompetent creator.
 
Now, that's an angle I haven't considered before. So, man's deceitful nature is just QUALITY CONTROL to cull the defective units in his humankind manufacturing process. I guess quality control is important, but I wouldn't expect a perfect creator to need quality control.
Anyone of us who have created anything learn that creation is a process. If it is not perfect, the creation is not yet finished until that final, perfect touch.
 
Anyone of us who have created anything learn that creation is a process. If it is not perfect, the creation is not yet finished until that final, perfect touch.
So, God's creation skills are flawed? I know lots of religious folks that would disagree with you.
 
So, God's creation skills are flawed? I know lots of religious folks that would disagree with you.
Something that is still a work in process is not flawed.

Why do you find it impossible to love anything that is not perfect? Or not finished?
 
Lots of commonly accepted reasons why God created man. Some of those reasons are to reflect his image, rule over his creation, and produce godly offspring. Another reason would be to train others in the ways or righteousness. The main reason, however, is to know him and love him and to have fellowship with him. God wanted man to have perfect fellowship with him in a perfect world. None of those reasons require evil to exist. Certainly, God knew the suffering and damage that would be caused by evil in this world. Obviously, a Loving forgiving God could find a way to discipline those who misbehave short of subjecting them to evil. It's what parents do every day. Can you show any scripture supported reason why God was forced to allow evil into what was supposed to be a perfect world or was someone else powerful enough to make an all-powerful God abandon his plan and introduce evil into the world.
You can't truly have free will if the consequences of doing evil are never allowed to be experienced. IOW, do I really have the free will to jump off the roof of a tall building if every time I do, I float gently to the ground instead of plummeting to my death, killing anyone walking beneath me? Do I truly have free will if, every time I attempt to kill my neighbor, my attempt is thwarted, and he/she survives? God gave us free will and did not create us as robots, unable to disobey Him. We, as a result, suffer the consequences.
 
He is not. His love is the most amazing feat we will ever experience.
An all-knowing god creates babies that he knows are destined for hell, yet he doesn't modify the next batch of babies to correct the flaw that will cause them eternal suffering. Sounds kinda sadistic to me.
 
For humans, perceptions only function by contrast. No "up", no "down", etc.
 
An all-knowing god creates babies that he knows are destined for hell, yet he doesn't modify the next batch of babies to correct the flaw that will cause them eternal suffering. Sounds kinda sadistic to me.
Our destiny is heaven....But no one will be frog-marched into the presence of God. We all have a choice.
 
An all-knowing god creates babies that he knows are destined for hell, yet he doesn't modify the next batch of babies to correct the flaw that will cause them eternal suffering. Sounds kinda sadistic to me.
Or, a typically unsophisticated concept of what anything nearly like a "creator of all and everything" would actually have to be like. This is the problem, as well, with every religion. They are at best very poor indicators toward something they know they don't understand and at worst straight up blasphemy.
 
More assured speech about an entirely uncertain topic.
Ahhh. An assured conclusion about me by someone who doesn't even know me. ;)

Actually, it is a given that God is beyond human comprehension, but we still all seek a fuller understanding all the same. The one thing I know with certainty is that God is love and goodness. The best analogy I have is that just as darkness cannot exist in light, nor can hate exist where there is love, nor evil where there is goodness. If the destiny is light, why choose darkness; if the destiny is goodness, why choose evil; if the destiny is love, why choose anything but love?
 
An all-knowing god creates babies that he knows are destined for hell, yet he doesn't modify the next batch of babies to correct the flaw that will cause them eternal suffering. Sounds kinda sadistic to me.
You're right BULLDOG, because you're allowing your conscience to guide you. If there's a God, that's where you'll encounter him/her, in your mind and heart. Religions distract from and conceal the truth.
 
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Most Christians don't agree with you. You're like a new-age Christian. An eclectic.
Studying the Bible and the Early Church Fathers, I suspect I am more like an old-age Christian. I suspect most Catholics do agree with me, as the Catholic faith and its roots in Judaism are the sources of my studies. (Judaism and Rabbis for the Old Testament.)
 
Something that is still a work in process is not flawed.

Why do you find it impossible to love anything that is not perfect? Or not finished?
A work in progress? You have no idea how many times I've heard trite "memorized" remarks like that in my search for evidence of God. How many babies do you think have been born since Cain was born? Each and every one of those babies was a chance to correct the flaw that could destine them to eternal damnation.
 
Ahhh. An assured conclusion about me by someone who doesn't even know me. ;)

Actually, it is a given that God is beyond human comprehension, but we still all seek a fuller understanding all the same. The one thing I know with certainty is that God is love and goodness. The best analogy I have is that just as darkness cannot exist in light, nor can hate exist where there is love, nor evil where there is goodness. If the destiny is light, why choose darkness; if the destiny is goodness, why choose evil; if the destiny is love, why choose anything but love?
Another poster who reads what he wants to see, not what is there. No conclusion about a person was made, simple an observation about a phrase concerning an utterly vague subject.
 
You can't truly have free will if the consequences of doing evil are never allowed to be experienced. IOW, do I really have the free will to jump off the roof of a tall building if every time I do, I float gently to the ground instead of plummeting to my death, killing anyone walking beneath me? Do I truly have free will if, every time I attempt to kill my neighbor, my attempt is thwarted, and he/she survives? God gave us free will and did not create us as robots, unable to disobey Him. We, as a result, suffer the consequences.
Ok. Let's put this in realistic terms. All parents want their children to obey them of their own free will. He sees his kid playing in the street. Does that loving parent get the kid out of the street, or does he just stand back and watch a car run over his child? Do parents love their kids more than God loves us?
 
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