Zone1 Why is evil allowed in the world?

[Monk-Eye]

" Helping Them Selves To Commercialism When A Friend In Need Is A Friend In Deed "

* Less About Santa More About The Clause *

I don't believe in luck. I believe in Divine Providence. The good Lord helps those that help themselves.

* Psychology Of When Every Thing Personified Is Miraculous *

When is metaphysical pain confused with physical pleasure ?

When is physical pleasure confused with metaphysical pain ?

When is physical pain confused with metaphysical pleasure ?

When is metaphysical pleasure confused with physical pain ?


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Always trying to figure out the difference between praying and preying , when others verbally relate that it is being done for them .

Some helping themselves to the potential of the potential load of the lorded believe the praying for enemies piles coals upon their heads , and expects events and situations to occur that correct the inconsistency .

 

[ding]

" Helping Them Selves To Commercialism When A Friend In Need Is A Friend In Deed "

* Less About Santa More About The Clause *




* Psychology Of When Every Thing Personified Is Miraculous *

When is metaphysical pain confused with physical pleasure ?

When is physical pleasure confused with metaphysical pain ?

When is physical pain confused with metaphysical pleasure ?

When is metaphysical pleasure confused with physical pain ?


* Digital Flips And Flops And Transition Of Dynamic Translation *

Always trying to figure out the difference between praying and preying , when others verbally relate that it is being done for them .

Some helping themselves to the potential of the potential load of the lorded believe the praying for enemies piles coals upon their heads , and expects events and situations to occur that correct the inconsistency .

So successful behaviors don’t naturally lead to success?

 

[Monk-Eye]

" Consequences "

* Do Good Things And Improve The Odds Of Good Things Happening *

So successful behaviors don’t naturally lead to success?

Yearn question is poorly formed , as a successful behavior would necessarily lead to success , else the behavior could not be referred to as successful .

Consider claims about those avoiding a deleterious fate - that they were saved by a miracle , and consider claims that those not avoiding a deleterious fate have suffered a tragedy rather than them not being saved by a miracle .

Why would those being saved be a miracle while those not being saved also be a miracle ?

Why would those being saved and those not being saved not both be a consequence of a miracle that determined their fate ?

 

[buttercup]

You believe human beings were alive with the dinosaurs, only a few thousand years ago? That's nonsense. Gobbledygook. You should be ashamed of yourself, for being so brainwashed and refusing to think critically.

Wow, totally putting words in my mouth of completely different topics that we haven't even begun to talk about.

Sorry dude, but you're far too emotional, angry and bitter to have a genuine civil discussion with, not to mention the dishonesty of shoving words in my mouth and then feigning outrage at something I never even said.

I'll let others deal with you.

 

[buttercup]

I asked her in an earlier post if she believed the universe is 6000 years old and she said yes.

That is a LIE! A big fat lie!

I never said yes, and anyone can go back and read my post and see that.

I told you that I don't have time to get into all sorts of other topics that you kept bringing up because it was 2 AM and I wanted to be in bed an hour before that. I told you that the last thing I want to do at 2 in the morning is argue with an angry anti-Christian.... and chase around all the balls you were throwing.

Now that I can see a pattern of dishonesty I have no interest in continuing these discussions with you, but I will say a prayer for you. Good bye and have a good life.

 

[BreezeWood]

Now that I can see a pattern of dishonesty I have no interest in continuing these discussions with you, but I will say a prayer for you.

typical ...

4th century christian - if it can't be crucified, run away.

 

[TruthNotBS]

That is a LIE! A big fat lie!

I never said yes, and anyone can go back and read my post and see that.

I told you that I don't have time to get into all sorts of other topics that you kept bringing up because it was 2 AM and I wanted to be in bed an hour before that. I told you that the last thing I want to do at 2 in the morning is argue with an angry anti-Christian.... and chase around all the balls you were throwing.

Now that I can see a pattern of dishonesty I have no interest in continuing these discussions with you, but I will say a prayer for you. Good bye and have a good life.

You said you believed it. Yes, people can go back and read the posts. It's you Christians and your religious book, that is a BIG FAT LIE! You love the lie because it gives you warm and fuzzy feelings.

You were clear, that the animals, including tyrannosaurus rex, were all herbivores:

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Until Adam and Eve were tempted by the talking snake, eating from the wrong fruit tree, that's when tyrannosaurus rex magically became a carnivore and started attacking and eating other dinosaurs and humans too. According to you, dinosaurs and humans lived together in the same era. So either you believe that the myth of the Garden of Eden happened a few thousand years ago, with dinosaurs being there (absolutely ridiculous), or you believe it happened more than 65 million years ago during the Cretaceous Period (nonsense). Your religion is a BIG FAT LIE! You love lies, don't you? Yes, you do, unfortunately.

Buttercup with her head in the sand like an ostrich.​

 

[GMCGeneral]

Lots of commonly accepted reasons why God created man. Some of those reasons are to reflect his image, rule over his creation, and produce godly offspring. Another reason would be to train others in the ways or righteousness. The main reason, however, is to know him and love him and to have fellowship with him. God wanted man to have perfect fellowship with him in a perfect world. None of those reasons require evil to exist. Certainly, God knew the suffering and damage that would be caused by evil in this world. Obviously, a Loving forgiving God could find a way to discipline those who misbehave short of subjecting them to evil. It's what parents do every day. Can you show any scripture supported reason why God was forced to allow evil into what was supposed to be a perfect world or was someone else powerful enough to make an all-powerful God abandon his plan and introduce evil into the world.

To put it simply, and this is plastered throughout Scripture, but none more than Jeremiah declares that "the (human) heart is deceitful in all ways and desperately wicked. Who can know it?" It is an Omniscient G-d who knows the true and evil nature of mankind. Left to his own devices, regardless of how much "good" he can do, it still won't pass muster with a Holy G-d as far as entering into His Kingdom. John 14:6 gives the ONLY way to G-d; "Jesus said to him; 'I am the Way, Truth, and the Life, Nobody can come to the Father, except through Me'". Jesus made it abundantly clear that He is the ONLY way to G-d. Not religion, not doing good things, not by being nice. But only through His shed blood at the Cross.

 

[TruthNotBS]

To put it simply, and this is plastered throughout Scripture, but none more than Jeremiah declares that "the (human) heart is deceitful in all ways and desperately wicked. Who can know it?" It is an Omniscient G-d who knows the true and evil nature of mankind. Left to his own devices, regardless of how much "good" he can do, it still won't pass muster with a Holy G-d as far as entering into His Kingdom. John 14:6 gives the ONLY way to G-d; "Jesus said to him; 'I am the Way, Truth, and the Life, Nobody can come to the Father, except through Me'". Jesus made it abundantly clear that He is the ONLY way to G-d. Not religion, not doing good things, not by being nice. But only through His shed blood at the Cross.

What you just described is nothing more than one of many religions. If you're claiming that this god that you believe in demands that we convert to a particular religion, then he's not omnipotent, or omniscient, nor does he possess much wisdom and compassion. Your god is essentially an immortal, almighty being that exists in absolute security, and luxury, without having to concern himself with any hazards or potential disasters, yet has the gall to judge and condemn you and I, who were born mortal, subject to poverty, pain and suffering, disease and death, of no fault of our own.

Adam and Eve supposedly ate from the wrong fruit tree after being tempted by a talking snake, and you and I are now in this hell-hole universe. Christians rather than focusing on improving themselves and their condition, in the only world and life that they have, choose to focus on an afterlife that they may never have. They end up throwing away the opportunity to perhaps achieve all of the conditions they hope to experience in heaven, right here on Earth, in the life that they actually have. THIS LIFE!

Your god-tyrant, existing in absolute safety, wealth, and health, with a golden spoon in his mouth and smooth-manicured hands and feet, is in a moral position to judge and condemn human beings who are forced to exist subject to all of the hazards and challenges of mortal, earthly life? How do you figure that? Why would you pledge your allegiance to such a wicked, despotic being, who keeps his human creation alive in a state of absolute torment in hell, for all eternity, because they didn't convert to some ridiculous religion?

Have you thought this through logically and ethically? What type of entity are you worshiping? You should pledge your allegiance to humanity, your fellow human beings, not to this heavenly Ghengis Khan, who doesn't have a clue how it is to be a real human being, living in a mortal state, without his infinite checking account and superpowers.

When you and I enter into that pitch-dark room called death, we don't know what's in there. We don't have the luxury, the comfort, of knowing we're going to raise ourselves up from the grave three days and three nights later. We don't have the memory of being in heaven as God's son, before our miraculous conception in the uterus of a virgin. We didn't spend our lives walking on water and controlling the weather with a single wave of our hand, nor did we ever raise the dead or miraculously heal the sick. etc. We had to live our lives on this planet, as genuine human beings, with all of the uncertainties and weaknesses that apply.

Yes, accepting reality on its own terms is scary, but you will develop courage and strength in the face of your uncertain fate and experience the real peace that accompanies a life committed to the truth. Question everything, and pursue the truth.

 

[SweetSue92]

Lots of commonly accepted reasons why God created man. Some of those reasons are to reflect his image, rule over his creation, and produce godly offspring. Another reason would be to train others in the ways or righteousness. The main reason, however, is to know him and love him and to have fellowship with him. God wanted man to have perfect fellowship with him in a perfect world. None of those reasons require evil to exist. Certainly, God knew the suffering and damage that would be caused by evil in this world. Obviously, a Loving forgiving God could find a way to discipline those who misbehave short of subjecting them to evil. It's what parents do every day. Can you show any scripture supported reason why God was forced to allow evil into what was supposed to be a perfect world or was someone else powerful enough to make an all-powerful God abandon his plan and introduce evil into the world.

It was worth it.

 

[buttercup]

You said you believed it. Yes, people can go back and read the posts. It's you Christians and your religious book, that is a BIG FAT LIE! You love the lie because it gives you warm and fuzzy feelings.

You were clear, that the animals, including tyrannosaurus rex, were all herbivores:

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Until Adam and Eve were tempted by the talking snake, eating from the wrong fruit tree, that's when tyrannosaurus rex magically became a carnivore and started attacking and eating other dinosaurs and humans too. According to you, dinosaurs and humans lived together in the same era. So either you believe that the myth of the Garden of Eden happened a few thousand years ago, with dinosaurs being there (absolutely ridiculous), or you believe it happened more than 65 million years ago during the Cretaceous Period (nonsense). Your religion is a BIG FAT LIE! You love lies, don't you? Yes, you do, unfortunately.

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Buttercup with her head in the sand like an ostrich.
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Wow, I can see I have to be extra extra crystal clear with you.

I'll go through this for the last time.

In post #50, what I said "yes" to is that predatory animals did not exist in the very beginning (in the Garden of Eden.) That is not just my own opinion, it is based on scripture (Genesis 1:30) not to mention common sense, if one knows the nature of God.

After that, I clearly said: "As for all the other stuff you're bringing up, I don't have time to argue with an emotional anti-Christian at 2 in the morning when - as I just said - I wanted to be in bed by an hour ago."

So any honest person who has even a modicum of reading comprehension would understand I was only saying "yes" to animals being herbivores in the very beginning --- NOT all the other off-topic crap that you tried throwing at me, even after I told Bulldog that I was about to sign off.

Let me clear about something else. One of my pet peeves is people who put words in other people's mouths, and dishonest debating.

You have shown you do those things, so I have no interest in even trying to have an actual discussion with you. You're far too angry, bitter, and anti-Christian to have an actual discussion with that would be fruitful. You were like that with your last screen name too. But like I said last night, I'll pray for you.

 

[TruthNotBS]

Wow, I can see I have to be extra extra crystal clear with you.

I'll go through this for the last time.

In post #50, what I said "yes" to is that predatory animals did not exist in the very beginning (in the Garden of Eden.) That is not just my own opinion, it is based on scripture (Genesis 1:30) not to mention common sense, if one knows the nature of God.

After that, I clearly said: "As for all the other stuff you're bringing up, I don't have time to argue with an emotional anti-Christian at 2 in the morning when - as I just said - I wanted to be in bed by an hour ago."

So any honest person who has even a modicum of reading comprehension would understand I was only saying "yes" to animals being herbivores in the very beginning --- NOT all the other off-topic crap that you tried throwing at me, even after I told Bulldog that I was about to sign off.

Let me clear about something else. One of my pet peeves is people who put words in other people's mouths, and dishonest debating.

You have shown you do those things, so I have no interest in even trying to have an actual discussion with you. You're far too angry, bitter, and anti-Christian to have an actual discussion with that would be fruitful. You were like that with your last screen name too. But like I said last night, I'll pray for you.

Wow, I can see I have to be extra extra crystal clear with you. I'll go through this for the last time.

You're so triggered and confused.

In post #50, what I said "yes" to is that predatory animals did not exist in the very beginning (in the Garden of Eden.) That is not just my own opinion, it is based on scripture (Genesis 1:30) not to mention common sense, if one knows the nature of God.

The nature of the god you conjured up in your mind? Do you actually believe that dinosaurs existed with human beings? It's absurd that you believe that tyrannosaurus rex:

Became a predator after your imaginary caveman and his wife ate from the wrong fruit tree, after being tempted by a talking snake. Before Adam and Eve ate from the "illegal tree" dinosaurs were herbivores (vegans):

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Is anyone supposed to take you seriously?

After that, I clearly said: "As for all the other stuff you're bringing up, I don't have time to argue with an emotional anti-Christian at 2 in the morning when - as I just said - I wanted to be in bed by an hour ago."

Your gas lighting and ad-hom attacks don't strengthen your case.

So any honest person who has even a modicum of reading comprehension would understand I was only saying "yes" to animals being herbivores in the very beginning --- NOT all the other off-topic crap that you tried throwing at me, even after I told Bulldog that I was about to sign off.

Any honest person with half a brain wouldn't believe your religious crap.

Let me clear about something else. One of my pet peeves is people who put words in other people's mouths, and dishonest debating.

That's all you Christians do, place words in people's mouths, that they most likely, never said. This bad Christian habit is found throughout the bible.

You have shown you do those things, so I have no interest in even trying to have an actual discussion with you. You're far too angry, bitter, and anti-Christian to have an actual discussion with that would be fruitful. You were like that with your last screen name too. But like I said last night, I'll pray for you.

You're obviously just projecting your own anger and bitterness on me. You should stop abusing yourself, filling your mind and life with all of this religious crap.

 

[theHawk]

I'm not claiming anything. It just seems odd that a loving and forgiving God would allow all the damage and pain caused by the evil he allows to exist. Why would a loving God allow an evil person to harm an innocent child? Would you let one child beat up their little sister

You are basically asking why God allows evil to exist. Before Adam and Eve and the Tree of Knowledge God had created the angels. Satan fell before man did. Why was this allowed to happen? The Bible does not give this explaination, it merely gives the account of it happening.
Ezekiel 28 gives an account of Satan before the fall. That he was a “seal of perfection, full of wisdom, perfect in beauty”. He was on the Holy mountain of God, blameless from the day he was created,
“until evil was found in you”.
“Your commerce was full of lawlessness, and you sinned. Therefore I banished your from the mountain of God.”

We can deduce that he had free will, and of course we know it was his pride that was his downfall.

Also, Satan is “the accuser” in ancient Hebrew. God allowed Satan to accuse humans of being unworthy, as we see in the Book of Job.

God gave us free will, and it is up to us to obey his commandments or let pride lead us to sin.
It could be a test to see if we are worthy.

 

[theHawk]

The bible is full of errors and contradictions. It's completely inconsistent with itself

Example?

What is your belief system? Marxism? LOL.

 

[TruthNotBS]

Example?

What is your belief system? Marxism? LOL.

Let's take a closer look at the resurrection accounts in the Gospels of Matthew and John. Here, I will provide a detailed comparison to underscore the contradictions between these two accounts.

Matthew 28:1-20:

1. Two Women at the Tomb: Mary Magdalene and "the other Mary" go to see the sepulchre.
2. Earthquake and Angel: A great earthquake occurs, and the angel of the Lord descends, rolls back the stone, and sits on it.
3. Angel's Appearance: His countenance is like lightning, and his raiment white as snow.
4. Guards' Reaction: The guards shake and become like dead men out of fear.
5. Angel's Message: The angel tells the women that Jesus has risen, shows them the empty tomb, and instructs them to inform the disciples that Jesus will meet them in Galilee.
6. Women Meet Jesus: On their way to tell the disciples, the women meet Jesus, hold his feet, and worship him.

John 20:1-18:

1. One Woman at the Tomb: Mary Magdalene comes alone to the sepulchre while it is still dark.
2. Stone Already Moved: She sees the stone already taken away from the tomb entrance.
3. Mary's Reaction: Without seeing anyone or talking to any angel, she runs to inform Simon Peter and the other disciple that Jesus' body is missing.
4. Disciples' Investigation: Peter and the other disciple run to the tomb, see the linen cloths, but do not encounter any angels or divine beings.
5. Mary's Return and Vision: Mary returns to the tomb, sees two angels sitting where Jesus' body had lain, and they ask her why she is weeping. She responds that she doesn't know where Jesus' body is.
6. Encounter with Jesus: She then turns around, sees Jesus but mistakes him for the gardener until he calls her name. Jesus tells her not to touch him because he has not yet ascended to the Father. Mary then goes to inform the disciples of what she has seen and heard.

Key Contradictions:

1. Number of Women:
   
   • Matthew: Two women (Mary Magdalene and the other Mary).
   • John: Only Mary Magdalene.
2. Time of Arrival:
   
   • Matthew: At dawn.
   • John: While it is still dark.
3. Presence of the Angel:
   
   • Matthew: Angel of the Lord descends with an earthquake, rolls back the stone, and sits on it.
   • John: No angelic descent. The stone is already moved when Mary arrives.
4. Initial Reactions:
   
   • Matthew: The women are informed by the angel that Jesus has risen and leave the tomb with joy to inform the disciples.
   • John: Mary Magdalene, seeing the stone rolled away, immediately runs to inform Peter and the other disciple that Jesus’ body is missing.
5. Angelic Interaction:
   
   • Matthew: The angel speaks to the women immediately.
   • John: Mary sees two angels only after returning to the tomb following her initial visit and the disciples' inspection.
6. Jesus’ Interaction with the Women:
   
   • Matthew: Jesus meets the women on their way to tell the disciples and allows them to touch his feet and worship him.
   • John: Jesus meets Mary Magdalene at the tomb, and she initially mistakes him for the gardener. He explicitly tells her not to touch him.
7. State of the Disciples' Knowledge:
   
   • Matthew: The women are explicitly informed by the angel and see Jesus before informing the disciples, indicating they know Jesus has risen.
   • John: Mary Magdalene initially informs the disciples that Jesus' body is missing. It’s only after her encounter with Jesus that she realizes he has risen.

These contradictions between the two accounts are glaring and cannot be harmonized without significant mental gymnastics. The differences in the number of women, the timing, the presence and actions of angels, and Jesus' interactions with the women highlight the inconsistencies. Any attempt to reconcile these discrepancies undermines the straightforward reading of the texts.

Second Error:

In the Gospel of Matthew, there is a significant contradiction regarding the reference to the "firstborn son of God" being called out of Egypt. Matthew 2:15 states:

“Out of Egypt I called my son.”

Matthew uses this to explain Jesus’ return from Egypt after the death of Herod. However, a closer examination of the original source in the book of Hosea reveals a clear discrepancy. Hosea 11:1 says:

“When Israel was a child, I loved him, and out of Egypt I called my son.”

Context in Hosea:

1. Israel as the Son: In Hosea, the “son” clearly refers to Israel, not Jesus. This passage recounts the historical event of the Israelites’ exodus from Egypt under Moses’ leadership.
2. Idolatry and Disobedience: Hosea continues in verse 2, highlighting Israel's disobedience: "The more they were called, the more they went away; they kept sacrificing to the Baals and burning offerings to idols." This indicates that the "son" who was called out of Egypt fell into idol worship, which is incompatible with the sinless nature of Jesus.

 

[TruthNotBS]

You are basically asking why God allows evil to exist. Before Adam and Eve and the Tree of Knowledge God had created the angels. Satan fell before man did. Why was this allowed to happen? The Bible does not give this explaination, it merely gives the account of it happening.
Ezekiel 28 gives an account of Satan before the fall. That he was a “seal of perfection, full of wisdom, perfect in beauty”. He was on the Holy mountain of God, blameless from the day he was created,
“until evil was found in you”.
“Your commerce was full of lawlessness, and you sinned. Therefore I banished your from the mountain of God.”

We can deduce that he had free will, and of course we know it was his pride that was his downfall.

Also, Satan is “the accuser” in ancient Hebrew. God allowed Satan to accuse humans of being unworthy, as we see in the Book of Job.

God gave us free will, and it is up to us to obey his commandments or let pride lead us to sin.
It could be a test to see if we are worthy.

Ezekiel 28 is a prophetic pronouncement against the ruler of Tyre, a prosperous city-state in ancient Phoenicia. The chapter is divided into two main sections:

1. Verses 1-10: A lamentation against the prince of Tyre.
2. Verses 11-19: A lamentation against the king of Tyre.

It has nothing to do with "Satan".

 

[buttercup]

You're so triggered and confused.



The nature of the god you conjured up in your mind? Do you actually believe that dinosaurs existed with human beings? It's absurd that you believe that tyrannosaurus rex:

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Became a predator after your imaginary caveman and his wife ate from the wrong fruit tree, after being tempted by a talking snake. Before Adam and Eve ate from the "illegal tree" dinosaurs were herbivores (vegans):

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Is anyone supposed to take you seriously?




Your gas lighting and ad-hom attacks don't strengthen your case.



Any honest person with half a brain wouldn't believe your religious crap.




That's all you Christians do, place words in people's mouths, that they most likely, never said. This bad Christian habit is found throughout the bible.



You're obviously just projecting your own anger and bitterness on me. You should stop abusing yourself, filling your mind and life with all of this religious crap.

I didn't say anything about dinosaurs or all the other off-topic crap you tried throwing at me. I made one point. Then YOU tried adding all that other crap into my one point, telling me what I believe, which is flat out dishonest.

I shouldn't even be replying to you right now, but I'm doing this for the sake of readers out there because you've put me in the position of having to clean up all your crap.

PS: Learn to use the quote feature.

 

[TruthNotBS]

I didn't say anything about dinosaurs or all the other off-topic crap you tried throwing at me. I made one point. Then YOU tried adding all that other crap into my one point, telling me what I believe, which is flat out dishonest.

I shouldn't even be replying to you right now, but I'm doing this for the sake of readers out there because you've put me in the position of having to clean up all your crap.

PS: Learn to use the quote feature.

You're spewing nonsense, on account of the fact that you said predation or predators didn't exist before Adam and Eve ate from the wrong fruit tree, after being tempted by a talking snake. That places this predator:

In the world of human beings. You're the one who is full of crap and a liar.

 

[BULLDOG]

To put it simply, and this is plastered throughout Scripture, but none more than Jeremiah declares that "the (human) heart is deceitful in all ways and desperately wicked. Who can know it?" It is an Omniscient G-d who knows the true and evil nature of mankind. Left to his own devices, regardless of how much "good" he can do, it still won't pass muster with a Holy G-d as far as entering into His Kingdom. John 14:6 gives the ONLY way to G-d; "Jesus said to him; 'I am the Way, Truth, and the Life, Nobody can come to the Father, except through Me'". Jesus made it abundantly clear that He is the ONLY way to G-d. Not religion, not doing good things, not by being nice. But only through His shed blood at the Cross.

Interesting. Considering the commonly accept purpose God created us for, what happed to make man so deceitful? Was someone so powerful as to overpower Gods design, or was God just so incompetent in creating such a flawed man? Why would God include deceitfulness as a characteristic in someone he created for his own fellowship?

 

[Meriweather]

Why would God include deceitfulness as a characteristic in someone he created for his own fellowship?

Who are we that God loves us so well?