Zone1 Why I Finally Gave Up Cows Milk

[Carl in Michigan]

 

[BreezeWood]

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what are you trying to accomplish ... if anything with hope to put an end to life's genocide on planet earth find something other than a desert bible as what they are used for.

Then they said, “Let us make life in our image, in our likeness, the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky the livestock and all the wild animals, and all the creatures that move along the ground.”

try the original religion of eden, taught by jesus during the 1st century events ... or certainly never hope to see the heavens - ever.

 

[Woodznutz]

No, I'm not asking that. As a matter of fact, there are a number of cases where farmers or ranchers actually had a major change of heart and turned their farm or ranch into an animal sanctuary. OR turned their animal farm into a plant-based farm, which isn't giving up their livelihood, but simply changing it.


A perfect example of that change of heart is "Rowdy Girl Sanctuary." If you don't believe me, you can hear their story in the vid below:






LOL, that is laughably false. No, I'm absolutely NOT asking for that. You seem to think that farm animals can only exist if they are "food" or "resources." We are supposed to take care of the animals, as image bearers of God....which means with love and mercy and true care, as opposed to exploitation and selfishness. Farm animals are just as worthy of love and respect as other animals. In fact, some of them are actually smarter and more advanced than other animals (like pigs, for example.) Yet they are among the worst treated animals.



Zoos are horrible. Would you want to be taken out of your natural environment and put in a cage so that people can stare at you all day or think of you as mere entertainment?

Animal sanctuaries are infinitely better than zoos.

Are those animals allowed to breed?

The small number of animals indicates a 'hobby farm', not a full-time cattle ranch operation.

 

[Woodznutz]

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Same for large fields of row crops that vegans depend on for food.

 

[Woodznutz]

No, I'm not asking that. As a matter of fact, there are a number of cases where farmers or ranchers actually had a major change of heart and turned their farm or ranch into an animal sanctuary. OR turned their animal farm into a plant-based farm, which isn't giving up their livelihood, but simply changing it.


A perfect example of that change of heart is "Rowdy Girl Sanctuary." If you don't believe me, you can hear their story in the vid below:






LOL, that is laughably false. No, I'm absolutely NOT asking for that. You seem to think that farm animals can only exist if they are "food" or "resources." We are supposed to take care of the animals, as image bearers of God....which means with love and mercy and true care, as opposed to exploitation and selfishness. Farm animals are just as worthy of love and respect as other animals. In fact, some of them are actually smarter and more advanced than other animals (like pigs, for example.) Yet they are among the worst treated animals.



Zoos are horrible. Would you want to be taken out of your natural environment and put in a cage so that people can stare at you all day or think of you as mere entertainment?

Animal sanctuaries are infinitely better than zoos.

Do you have a plan for the billions of animals being raised for food at this time?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

The Amish (or Minorite, I'm not sure which) around here, sell milk at the Farmer's Market on Saturday morning in deposit returnable glass bottles, like th old days, when it was delivered to the back door. It is posturized, but has a much higher cream/butter fat content than what you can buy at the stores. It is absolutely fantastic, along with their chocolate milk, butter, cream and ice cream.

A what???

 

[Woodznutz]

In those days Israel had no king; all the people did whatever seemed right in their own eyes.

Israel has a king, and the people still do whatever seems right in their own eyes.

 

[Woodznutz]

You like to argue.

Some few strive to do right.

The vast majority only want to BE right. That is YOU.

And no, you've never "won" a single debate with either buttercup or myself.

You get proven wrong on one thing and you never admit you were wrong. You just jump to the next "argument " You do this over and over and over

Do you think I've 'lost' because I don't accept your argument? In this case I have proven scripturally that eating meat is ok, even meat offered to idols. If you and Buttercup want to abstain that's ok too, just don't beat everyone else over the head with your 'morality'.

Romans 14
1 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations (useless arguments).

2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.

3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.

 

[Woodznutz]

Animal sanctuaries are infinitely better than zoos.

Are those animals allowed to reproduce?

 

[ding]

Milk is nutritious, filled with so many good things for the body, but adult humans are the only species that will drink the milk of another species.

But did you know "casein" is highly addictive? It is the protein we use in all forms of cheese.

But it took a lifetime to learn exactly what goes on in a modern dairy farm.

I use to laugh at these people, but now I know the truth.

This information is for those who might not know. Now you do.

BTW, "culled" means killed -- aborted, simply because they are male. This AI explaination sanitizes what actually happens for your refreshing glass of milk

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To live is to consume. If consuming is wrong, then so is living.

 

[ding]

Some few strive to do right.

Won't we all be judged by how we judge others?

 

[Papageorgio]

That’s a stretch, I don’t drink milk, I do use cream in coffee at times and eat cheese however I don’t covet them.

 

[Woodznutz]

You like to argue.

That's what happens on these forums.

Some few strive to do right.

I don't have to strive to do right.

The vast majority only want to BE right. That is YOU

Everyone has room for improvement. But on the whole I believe I'm an asset to the community.

 

[White 6]

A what???

Minonnite

 

[BreezeWood]

Romans 14

2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.

3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.

nothing of value, enriching themselves using heavenly personification for their deception where there is none.

- as for the contradiction, the garden fruit, only clarifies more clearly the distortions throughout their bibles.

 

[Woodznutz]

nothing of value, enriching themselves using heavenly personification for their deception where there is none.

- as for the contradiction, the garden fruit, only clarifies more clearly the distortions throughout their bibles.

In English, please.

 

[buttercup]

That’s a stretch, I don’t drink milk, I do use cream in coffee at times and eat cheese however I don’t covet them.

Well, the main reason I posted that to Woodnutz was for the funny part of the video, the answer to the question "How do you know milk is for you?" The guy said, if you say anything other than "Mooooooo" then cow's milk is not for you.

But in response to what you just said....Here's the way I see it. If one learns about how totally exploitative and cruel the Dairy industry is...for something that is completely unnecessary....but still wants that for themself (which means a baby cow will be taken away from his mother and not get the milk intended for HIM) then I believe that covetousness actually is involved.

Btw, earlier on the thread Woodnutz said something that was false, but I never replied to that specific point. He said something about there being enough milk for both us AND the baby cow. So I want to respond to that right now.

That's just not how it works out, in reality. As was stated earlier, baby calves are forcibly taken away from their mother, usually on Day One. And no, most of the time they are NOT given her breast milk, they are bottle-fed a milk replacer. So not only do they not get their mother (which is extremely cruel and goes against nature) but they don't even get to taste their mother's milk, in most cases.

And also in response to something Woodnutz said a couple days ago... God does not "bless us" by exploiting and harming other beings that He also loves. So no, cow's milk is not a "blessing." If anything, it has been shown to cause health problems, certain types of cancer.... and participating in it definitely supports cruelty, whether one realizes that or not.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Minonnite

Try again! Mennonite.

 

[buttercup]

To live is to consume. If consuming is wrong, then so is living.

That's an oversimplification that dodges the actual point.

No one is saying that "consuming" is wrong. But paying someone to exploit, abuse, torture and needlessly kill is what is wrong, because it goes against numerous commands from God.

Why participate in something that is diabolical, when you don't have to?

 

[buttercup]

Are those animals allowed to reproduce?

I can't speak for every single animal sanctuary out there...There are thousands. My guess would be, in most cases, no. Why? Because there are ALWAYS other animals in dire need of rescue and a safe home. And since most animal sanctuaries can only have a limited number of animals, they probably don't want the animals to breed, so that they can save room for bringing in other animals who are rescued out of terrible situations. Why do you ask?