Zone1 Why I Finally Gave Up Cows Milk

Btw, earlier on the thread Woodnutz said something that was false, but I never replied to that specific point. He said something about there being enough milk for both us AND the baby cow. So I want to respond to that right now.

That's just not how it works out, in reality. As was stated earlier, baby calves are forcibly taken away from their mother, usually on Day One. And no, most of the time they are NOT given her breast milk, they are bottle-fed a milk replacer. So not only do they not get their mother (which is extremely cruel and goes against nature) but they don't even get to taste their mother's milk, in most cases.
Cows produce more milk than their calf can consume.

"Modern dairy cattle produce almost 7 times the amount of milk that a calf needs, so even when farmers allow the calf to suckle naturally in the post-colostrum period, the cows will be milked anyway, although the milk may be preserved for the calves and not introduced."

Newborn calves are allowed to suckle for up to two weeks. The first milk, colostrum, isn't fit for human consumption but provides lots of benefits for the newborn calf.

"Cows can be milked almost immediately after giving birth, however in many cases the farmer chooses to let the calf suckle naturally for the first few days. This is because cows produce a special milk called colostrum in the few days after calving, which contains nutrients and antibodies that are essential for keeping the calf healthy."

 
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That's an oversimplification that dodges the actual point.

No one is saying that "consuming" is wrong. But paying someone to exploit, abuse, torture and needlessly kill is what is wrong, because it goes against numerous commands from God.

Why participate in something that is diabolical, when you don't have to?
You know buttercup, if my OP was about how I used regularly send a donation to Planned Parenthood, or an abortion clinic, but one day came to the realization of what goes on in these places and stopped supporting them, it would be the very same people arguing in this thread who would be applauding me.

But I can't post my journey or evolution on THIS topic without endless arguments.

I knew it would go this way when I posted it. Still I see how suddenly they become pro-choice converts.

It's not enough to simply accept MY choice, I must be attacked for making that choice.

But if it were a human baby they would understand the moral principle. But if I say needlessly killing an innocent animal is IMMORAL, I must be attacked.

Funny how dishonest the human heart really is
 
I can't speak for every single animal sanctuary out there...There are thousands. My guess would be, in most cases, no. Why? Because there are ALWAYS other animals in dire need of rescue and a safe home. And since most animal sanctuaries can only have a limited number of animals, they probably don't want the animals to breed, so that they can save room for bringing in other animals who are rescued out of terrible situations. Why do you ask?
Reproducing is natural and it would be cruel to deprive animals of their natural drive to reproduce.
 
That's an oversimplification that dodges the actual point.

No one is saying that "consuming" is wrong. But paying someone to exploit, abuse, torture and needlessly kill is what is wrong, because it goes against numerous commands from God.

Why participate in something that is diabolical, when you don't have to?
Because I am selfish?
 
You know buttercup, if my OP was about how I used regularly send a donation to Planned Parenthood, or an abortion clinic, but one day came to the realization of what goes on in these places and stopped supporting them, it would be the very same people arguing in this thread who would be applauding me.

But I can't post my journey or evolution on THIS topic without endless arguments.

I knew it would go this way when I posted it. Still I see how suddenly they become pro-choice converts.

It's not enough to simply accept MY choice, I must be attacked for making that choice.

But if it were a human baby they would understand the moral principle. But if I say needlessly killing an innocent animal is IMMORAL, I must be attacked.

Funny how dishonest the human heart really is
Which of the posts in your thread were "attacks"?
 
No one is saying that "consuming" is wrong. But paying someone to exploit, abuse, torture and needlessly kill is what is wrong, because it goes against numerous commands from God.

the heavens - plural ...

life's habitat is being purged on garden earth ...

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in all cases by desert dwellers - is that what is taught in the 1st century by jesus or the desert bibles - you are one confused person.
 
Try again! Mennonite.
Guilty again.:mad: They took me off the new daily meds today, a 45-day course of statins, to control my cholesterol. Between the inability to concentrate, the light headedness when ever standing up, tightness and pain in the calves of both legs, developing Achilles tendonitis in the right ankle that force me to limp, and generally walk like a stove up old man, and the constant fatigue. Atorvastin has been progressively kicking my ass worse daily.
 
You know buttercup, if my OP was about how I used regularly send a donation to Planned Parenthood, or an abortion clinic, but one day came to the realization of what goes on in these places and stopped supporting them, it would be the very same people arguing in this thread who would be applauding me.

But I can't post my journey or evolution on THIS topic without endless arguments.

I knew it would go this way when I posted it. Still I see how suddenly they become pro-choice converts.

It's not enough to simply accept MY choice, I must be attacked for making that choice.

But if it were a human baby they would understand the moral principle. But if I say needlessly killing an innocent animal is IMMORAL, I must be attacked.

Funny how dishonest the human heart really is

It really IS bizarre. I have some thoughts on why people react with such intense anger and defensiveness whenever the topic comes up. (This thread has been very tame, but you've seen how it has gone on other threads.) But maybe I shouldn't say it out loud, because it would surely piss off about 98% of the site. :lol:
 
Guilty again.:mad: They took me off the new daily meds today, a 45-day course of statins, to control my cholesterol ... Atorvastin has been progressively kicking my ass worse daily.

seriously, your cholesterol is that big an issue - might consider another doctor there are other medications to use.
 
seriously, your cholesterol is that big an issue - might consider another doctor there are other medications to use.
Yep. They called back today, after taking me off it, yesterday morning, after having started me med-high dose Atorvastatin (generic Lipitor) a more than fair trial, but seeing my general health, physical and mental condition declining and pick up speed at declining, and reporting the effects it was having, on my and my day-to-day activities and general health, that I simply will not trade for supposed longevity as one of the aged, inactive set. The wanted to put me on a medium dosage of Rosuvastatin (generic Crestor). I studied up, last night. It has many of the same drawbacks as the Atorvastin, and again, wanting start me on a medium dose. I let them know, I would try the drug, but only at the minimal 5mg dose as a starting point, and that I would not be using a local pharmacy, but order through Express scripts, in order to give my body time to clear the Atorvastin from my system, so I have a baseline of comparison on the new drug, such as I had on their last medication recommendation. She said, she would have to call the doctor back to do the lower dose, but understood my thinking. She called back half an hour later, and said the doctor understood and would go with the minimum dosage, I was willing to try.

Make no mistake, I am not anti-modern medicine and science, but am very pro-White 6. This is not the Army, whose medical services were directed at keeping me active, strong and available for deployment. I suspect these are more at keeping the patient alive and under continued treatment looking at simple longevity, as an ultimate goal. I am more into being able to maintain normal vigorous, at times demanding physical performance, so that I can continue to enjoy my active retired lifestyle, as I did not retire to sit around and watch TV, fading away slowly. Fck that. I still want to have fun. I still have trails to trek, rivers to kayak and mountains to ski, on my own, if necessary.
 
It really IS bizarre. I have some thoughts on why people react with such intense anger and defensiveness whenever the topic comes up. (This thread has been very tame, but you've seen how it has gone on other threads.) But maybe I shouldn't say it out loud, because it would surely piss off about 98% of the site. :lol:
Veganism is destructive to human health, soil health, and the economy. Let's talk about that.
 
During the study period 29,277 new cancer cases were recorded, with the highest rate being for lung cancer (6,282 cases), followed by female breast (2,582 cases), stomach (3,577 cases), colorectal (3,350 cases) and liver cancer (3,191 cases).
• People who consumed dairy products regularly had significantly greater risks of developing liver and breast cancer. For each 50g/day intake, the risk increased by 12% and 17% respectively.
• Regular dairy consumption was associated with an increased risk of lymphoma (though this was not statistically significant).

 
During the study period 29,277 new cancer cases were recorded, with the highest rate being for lung cancer (6,282 cases), followed by female breast (2,582 cases), stomach (3,577 cases), colorectal (3,350 cases) and liver cancer (3,191 cases).
• People who consumed dairy products regularly had significantly greater risks of developing liver and breast cancer. For each 50g/day intake, the risk increased by 12% and 17% respectively.
• Regular dairy consumption was associated with an increased risk of lymphoma (though this was not statistically significant).

The alternative is much worse. Soils dying from chemical fertilization, leading to declining health.

 

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