Zone1 Why I Finally Gave Up Cows Milk

[TNHarley]

Since you're not a Christian, I don't expect you to know or understand the spiritual aspect of this topic. There are a few different interpretations of Genesis 9:3, but no matter how you slice it, the bottom line is: God allowing something to happen does not mean it's what God wants. A few verses before that He stated "every inclination of the human heart is evil from childhood." Sometimes God "gives us over" to our sinful desires, that doesn't mean that God approves of what He's giving us over to. But sometimes we need to learn things on our own, the hard way. What I focus on is God's perfect will, as opposed to God's permissive will. There's a HUGE difference.

The bible clearly states that God does not change. (Malachi 3:6, Hebrews 13:8) He is the same, yesterday, today and forever. So God did not "change his mind" in Genesis 9. His perfect will was, IS and always will be peace and harmony among all creation. No needless violence, no cruelty or exploitation. God states repeatedly throughout the Bible that what He wants from us is MERCY.

As for Jesus, there is only ONE scripture in the bible that says Jesus ate fish, but I personally don't believe He actually did. Some scholars believe that it was a purposeful mistranslation. Watch the documentary "Christspiracy".... It is excellent and it talks about all of these things we're talking about. I'm pretty sure you can watch it for free on christspiracy.com.

Ok, well you can just make shit up, and I will go by what the bible actually says. Like genesis and Leviticus.
Oh, almost forgot about the passover, and how god fed the Israelites quail.
As far as Jesus goes, Jesus served fish to his followers, he filled fishermen nets up. He also observed passover, and eating lamb was the law.
Romans 14 2.

 

[buttercup]

Jesus ate the Passover (lamb) up until his death.

That's a blatant lie. The bible does NOT state that. As you often do, you are ADDING to the bible. There is historical evidence that Jesus brother James was a vegetarian... and also evidence that a number of the disciples were vegetarian. Since the servant is not greater than the master, it's foolish to assume that Jesus was a flesh eater.

If you're going to be dishonest, I have no interest in continuing this discussion. And also, it's disappointing to see that you seem to have no interest at all in growing, learning, or changing as a Christian... which should be our default. The bible says "Be perfect therefore, as your Heavenly Father is perfect." Sadly it seems that many christians prefer the status-quo of this fallen world over God's perfect will.

 

[Woodznutz]

That's a blatant lie. The bible does NOT state that. As you often do, you are ADDING to the bible. There is historical evidence that Jesus brother James was a vegetarian... and also evidence that a number of the disciples were vegetarian. Since the servant is not greater than the master, it's foolish to assume that Jesus was a flesh eater.

If you're going to be dishonest, I have no interest in continuing this discussion. And also, it's disappointing to see that you seem to have no interest at all in growing, learning, or changing as a Christian... which should be our default. The bible says "Be perfect therefore, as your Heavenly Father is perfect." Sadly it seems that many christians prefer the status-quo of this fallen world over God's perfect will.

How do you interpret Matthew 26

:17 Now the first day of the feast of unleavened bread the disciples came to Jesus, saying unto him, Where wilt thou that we prepare for thee to eat the passover?

:18 And he said, Go into the city to such a man, and say unto him, The Master saith, My time is at hand; I will keep the passover at thy house with my disciples.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

Anyone who claims to love animals should have nothing to do with dairy. It's one of the worst industries...It's as exploitative as it gets, and cruel in so many ways.

There are actually lots of reasons to ditch dairy, but this quote eloquently explains one of the main reasons why I will never again partake in the dairy industry:

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You also have the option of animal products raised humanely. I love knowing, living around, going to church with and knowing all the farming practices of many morally responsible farmers.


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[Donald H]

, but adult humans are the only species that will drink the milk of another species.

NO! Not by a long shot!

Not that your misinformation makes any difference.

 

[buttercup]

Ok, well you can just make shit up, and I will go by what the bible actually says. Like genesis and Leviticus.
Oh, almost forgot about the passover, and how god fed the Israelites quail.
As far as Jesus goes, Jesus served fish to his followers, he filled fishermen nets up. He also observed passover, and eating lamb was the law.
Romans 14 2.

Oh my word. You couldn't have picked a worse example if you tried. When God gave the Israelites the quail, that was out of anger and it was actually a punishment because He was fed up with their complaining and them wanting flesh instead of the MANNA HE GAVE THEM TO EAT.

Read the part in bold:

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The Lord heard you when you wailed, “If only we had meat to eat! We were better off in Egypt!” Now the Lord will give you meat, and you will eat it. You will not eat it for just one day, or two days, or five, ten or twenty days, 20 but for a whole month—until it comes out of your nostrils and you loathe it​

And then afterwards He struck them down with a plague! Numbers 11:33-34

But while the meat was still between their teeth and before it could be consumed, the anger of the Lord burned against the people, and he struck them with a severe plague. Therefore the place was named Kibroth Hattaavah, because there they buried the people who had craved other food.​

If anything, that passage shows the exact opposite of what you're trying to show.

As for the other stuff you said, you don't seem to understand that I'm talking about God's perfect will, as opposed to God's permissive will. Every one of the scriptures you've brought up have to do with this being a fallen world. Christians are not supposed to be pleased by this fallen world, we're supposed to want God's PERFECT will, on earth as it is in Heaven.

I don't have time right now to continue with this, I have to eat. And it's also hard to respond when multiple people are shooting off multiple posts at me, at the same time. Hopefully Carl in Michigan will be back soon to reply to the posts I can't get to right now.

 

[luiza]

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I have a tall glass ever day....sometimes 2.

Milk is much easier to swallow however finely you grind the glass .

 

[Woodznutz]

Oh my word. You couldn't have picked a worse example if you tried. When God gave the Israelites the quail, that was out of anger and it was actually a punishment because He was fed up with their complaining and them wanting flesh instead of the MANNA HE GAVE THEM TO EAT.

Read the part in bold:

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The Lord heard you when you wailed, “If only we had meat to eat! We were better off in Egypt!” Now the Lord will give you meat, and you will eat it. You will not eat it for just one day, or two days, or five, ten or twenty days, 20 but for a whole month—until it comes out of your nostrils and you loathe it​

And then afterwards He struck them down with a plague! Numbers 11:33-34

But while the meat was still between their teeth and before it could be consumed, the anger of the Lord burned against the people, and he struck them with a severe plague. Therefore the place was named Kibroth Hattaavah, because there they buried the people who had craved other food.​

If anything, that passage shows the exact opposite of what you're trying to show.

As for the other stuff you said, you don't seem to understand that I'm talking about God's perfect will, as opposed to God's permissive will. Every one of the scriptures you've brought up have to do with this being a fallen world. Christians are not supposed to be pleased by this fallen world, we're supposed to want God's PERFECT will, on earth as it is in Heaven.

I don't have time right now to continue with this, I have to eat. And it's also hard to respond when multiple people are shooting off multiple posts at me, at the same time. Hopefully Carl in Michigan will be back soon to reply to the posts I can't get to right now.

Is it God's perfect will that you inflict your views on those who are unwilling to hear it? Why cast your pearls before us 'swine' when you know we will 'rend' you with examples from the Bible.

 

[buttercup]

Is it God's perfect will that you inflict your views on those who are unwilling to hear it? Why cast your pearls before us 'swine' when you know we will 'rend' you.

If you're unwilling to hear my view, I won't post to you anymore. Or you can skim past my posts. Or put me on ignore. Easy peasy.

Clearly you have SOME interest in this topic, since you always seem to want to argue it. But anyone who doesn't want to hear an opposing POV doesn't have to if they don't want to.

 

[Woodznutz]

If you're unwilling to hear my view, I won't post to you anymore. Or you can skim past my posts. Or put me on ignore. Easy peasy.

Clearly you have SOME interest in this topic, since you always seem to want to argue it. But anyone who doesn't want to hear an opposing POV doesn't have to if they don't want to.

You bring it up often and present as a moral challenge, and I enjoy responding to it. If you want total agreement, preach to the 'choir'.

 

[buttercup]

You bring it up often and present as a moral challenge, and I enjoy responding to it. If you want total agreement, preach to the 'choir'.

Carl brought it up, actually. And no, I'm not naive enough to think that I'll be getting agreement on a position that is obviously unpopular and controversial. In fact, I've been through this enough times to expect the exact opposite.

However, there are certain biblical truths that cannot be denied. God wanting us to be merciful is one example. And since God's mercy extends to ALL creation, (Psalm 145:9) the idea that mercy should only extend to humans is simply incorrect. Also, when we consider what mercy means....it often has to do with those we have power over. In other words, it's a vertical, as opposed to horizontal matter. God has power over us, but He is merciful to us. WE have power over the animals...we can choose to be merciful (which is God's will) or we can choose our own will.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Oh my word. You couldn't have picked a worse example if you tried. When God gave the Israelites the quail, that was out of anger and it was actually a punishment because He was fed up with their complaining and them wanting flesh instead of the MANNA HE GAVE THEM TO EAT.

Read the part in bold:

​

The Lord heard you when you wailed, “If only we had meat to eat! We were better off in Egypt!” Now the Lord will give you meat, and you will eat it. You will not eat it for just one day, or two days, or five, ten or twenty days, 20 but for a whole month—until it comes out of your nostrils and you loathe it​

And then afterwards He struck them down with a plague! Numbers 11:33-34

But while the meat was still between their teeth and before it could be consumed, the anger of the Lord burned against the people, and he struck them with a severe plague. Therefore the place was named Kibroth Hattaavah, because there they buried the people who had craved other food.​

If anything, that passage shows the exact opposite of what you're trying to show.

As for the other stuff you said, you don't seem to understand that I'm talking about God's perfect will, as opposed to God's permissive will. Every one of the scriptures you've brought up have to do with this being a fallen world. Christians are not supposed to be pleased by this fallen world, we're supposed to want God's PERFECT will, on earth as it is in Heaven.

I don't have time right now to continue with this, I have to eat. And it's also hard to respond when multiple people are shooting off multiple posts at me, at the same time. Hopefully Carl in Michigan will be back soon to reply to the posts I can't get to right now.

"God overlooked the times of this ignorance, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent."

She's right. God gave th m what they DEMANDED, but it cost them their lives

You are accountable for what you know. He will overlook ignorance, but He knows when you know better. God looks for a heart at least trying to do the right thing.

 

[Woodznutz]

Carl brought it up, actually. And no, I'm not naive enough to think that I'll be getting agreement on a position that is obviously unpopular and controversial. In fact, I've been through this enough times to expect the exact opposite.

However, there are certain biblical truths that cannot be denied. God wanting us to be merciful is one example. And since God's mercy extends to ALL creation, (Psalm 145:9) the idea that mercy should only extend to humans is simply incorrect. Also, when we consider what mercy means....it often has to do with those we have power over. In other words, it's a vertical, as opposed to horizontal matter. God has power over us, but He is merciful to us. WE have power over the animals...we can choose to be merciful (which is God's will) or we can choose our own will.

You're asking millions of Christian farmers and fishermen to give up their livelihoods. You're also asking for the extinction of all farm animals that are raised for human food. (Who's going to visit a zoo to view the animals that "we used to eat"?"

 

[Woodznutz]

"God overlooked the times of this ignorance, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent."

She's right. God gave th m what they DEMANDED, but it cost them their lives

You are accountable for what you know. He will overlook ignorance, but He knows when you know better. God looks for a heart at least trying to do the right thing.

I don't "try" to do the right thing; I just do it.

 

[buttercup]

You're asking millions of Christian farmers and fishermen to give up their livelihoods.

No, I'm not asking that. As a matter of fact, there are a number of cases where farmers or ranchers actually had a major change of heart and turned their farm or ranch into an animal sanctuary. OR turned their animal farm into a plant-based farm, which isn't giving up their livelihood, but simply changing it.


A perfect example of that change of heart is "Rowdy Girl Sanctuary." If you don't believe me, you can hear their story in the vid below:

You're also asking for the extinction of all farm animals that are raised for human food.

LOL, that is laughably false. No, I'm absolutely NOT asking for that. You seem to think that farm animals can only exist if they are "food" or "resources." We are supposed to take care of the animals, as image bearers of God....which means with love and mercy and true care, as opposed to exploitation and selfishness. Farm animals are just as worthy of love and respect as other animals. In fact, some of them are actually smarter and more advanced than other animals (like pigs, for example.) Yet they are among the worst treated animals.

(Who's going to visit a zoo to view the animals that "we used to eat"?"

Zoos are horrible. Would you want to be taken out of your natural environment and put in a cage so that people can stare at you all day or think of you as mere entertainment?

Animal sanctuaries are infinitely better than zoos.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

I don't "try" to do the right thing; I just do it.

In those days Israel had no king; all the people did whatever seemed right in their own eyes.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

You bring it up often and present as a moral challenge, and I enjoy responding to it. If you want total agreement, preach to the 'choir

You like to argue.

Some few strive to do right.

The vast majority only want to BE right. That is YOU.

And no, you've never "won" a single debate with either buttercup or myself.

You get proven wrong on one thing and you never admit you were wrong. You just jump to the next "argument " You do this over and over and over

 

[BreezeWood]

"...heaves..."?

monotheism is the fallback for the likes of moses and abraham's self indulgence the reason for their religions of servitude and denial -

all are equal in the heavens whoever they may be as the reawakening of the 1st century and message of liberation theology, self determination reclaimed by jesus as the true religion during the time of eden.

 

[BreezeWood]

-genesis 9 3
-His own "son" ate animals.

they were not, yours is the ploy of the crucifiers - no fish were ever so distributed by their telling to feed the multitude by jesus.

how evil is the slaughter of buffalo to deprive others of their livelihood - the crimes committed by the desert are the most heinous of all crimes ever committed.

 

[fncceo]

are you like that with water?...........

“I never drink water. Fish f*ck in it”

- W.C. Fields.