Why GWB will be one of the greatest Presidents in MY LIFETIME...

[Toddsterpatriot]

And again... as I've FREQUENTLY pointed out.. This was Bush's first year. Bush ran on getting the economy going as he and Cheney KNEW in 2000 there was going to be a recession. So if any one cares to research Bush WAS AGAINST Nation-building!

"Speaking to a cheering crowd in Chattanooga, Tenn., one day before the Nov. 7, 2000, election, George W. Bush repeated a line that had by then been a standard part of the stump speech for many, many months--and one that now seems, in the face of looming U.S. military action in Iraq, quite contradictory.
"Let me tell you what else I'm worried about: I'm worried about an opponent who uses nation building and the military in the same sentence.
See, our view of the military is for our military to be properly prepared to fight and win war and, therefore, prevent war from happening in the first place."
Bush Backs Into Nation Building

WHAT CHANGED BUSH???

9/11 did! Saddam cheering in the streets as 3,000 people died! And so again.. in Bush's first 6 months NOTHING was more important then getting the economy going..until..
that fateful day... and then Bush realized.. the only way to rid terrorists was rid the states that supported it and Iraq was a terrorist supporting state!
Here are the facts how Saddam subsidized terrorists!

Primarily groups that could hurt Saddam’s regional foes. Saddam has aided the Iranian dissident group Mujahadeen-e-Khalq and the Kurdistan Workers’ Party (known by its Turkish initials, PKK), a separatist group fighting the Turkish government. Moreover, Iraq has hosted several Palestinian splinter groups that oppose peace with Israel , including the mercenary Abu Nidal Organization, whose leader, Abu Nidal, was found dead in Baghdad in August 2002. Iraq has also supported the Islamist Hamas movement and reportedly channeled money to the families of Palestinian suicide bombers. A secular dictator, however, Saddam tended to support secular terrorist groups rather than Islamist ones such as al-Qaeda, experts say.
Terrorism Havens: Iraq - Council on Foreign Relations
And Saddam did support al-Qaeda.

Bullshit. But your desperation is duly noted. Hussein had Abu Nidal killed. That's your idea of supporting Al-Qaeda??? And there was no link between Hamas and Al-Qaeda, so that doesn't benefit your failed position either.

There was a relationship between Iraq and Saddam and al-Qaida,” Bush told reporters after meeting with his Cabinet at the White House. “This administration never said that the 9/11 attacks were orchestrated between Saddam and al-Qaida. We did say there were numerous contacts between Saddam and al-Qaida.”

Bush added: “Saddam Hussein was a threat. He was a threat because he had used weapons of mass destruction against his own people. He was a threat because he was a sworn enemy of the United States of America, just like al-Qaida. He was a threat because he had terrorist connections.
Osama-Saddam links 9-11 commission missed

Bullshit...

"Well, what we now have that’s developed since you and I last talked, Tim, of course, was that report that’s been pretty well confirmed, that he did go to Prague and he did meet with a senior official of the Iraqi intelligence service in Czechoslovakia last April, several months before the attack. Now, what the purpose of that was, what transpired between them, we simply don’t know at this point. But that’s clearly an avenue that we want to pursue." - Dick Cheney

Hussein had Abu Nidal killed.

It would be a bad idea to let us capture Nidal and question him, he might tell us more about Saddam's support for terrorists, Al Qaeda or otherwise.

 

[JWBooth]

Well then IF you criticize Bush for free 28 million people and keeping 2.9 million kids from starving that must mean you approved of Saddam's policies!
If you were in favor of NOT freeing the 28 million and keep from starvation 2.9 millions you ARE defending Saddam because THAT's the FACTS JACK!!!
Didn't take me long to find YOU a defender of Saddam!

So, what have we established?
Two things:
First, reading comprehension is not your strong suit &
Second, you have just a single well rehearsed, if logically unsound point, and when it it shot full of holes, by golly it is time to nail down the caps lock key.

 

[Faun]

Pre-9/11 memo to Bush made public - World - CBC News
was told that al-Qaeda cells were in his country and that hijackings were a possibility, according to a previously classified document released by the White House Saturday.

But the memo, given to Bush Aug. 6, 2001, does not mention the use of planes as weapons, and does not include any specific dates or sites of possible attacks.

It also didn't provide the seat numbers of the terrorists or their names, you forgot about that. At any rate, had Bush taken some action, perhaps 9.11 could have been thwarted. Taking no action whatsoever, as Bush did, had no chance at preventing the attack.

But then, being a miserable failure was the hallmark of Bush's presidency.

What action should he have taken?

He could have had airport security raised in the northeast where the suspicious activity was taking place. If for no other reason than to try to prevent the highjacking he was warned of.

 

[healthmyths]

Well then IF you criticize Bush for free 28 million people and keeping 2.9 million kids from starving that must mean you approved of Saddam's policies!
If you were in favor of NOT freeing the 28 million and keep from starvation 2.9 millions you ARE defending Saddam because THAT's the FACTS JACK!!!
Didn't take me long to find YOU a defender of Saddam!

So, what have we established?
Two things:
First, reading comprehension is not your strong suit &
Second, you have just a single well rehearsed, if logically unsound point, and when it it shot full of holes, by golly it is time to nail down the caps lock key.

First explain why reading comprehension is not my strong suit according to you as I don't comprehend how anyone could fault Bush for freeing 28 million people and
keeping 2.9 million kids from starving BY removing the dictator that caused it!
Either you agree that was a positive value or it wasn't. I don't comprehend how it could be otherwise unless YOU are so calloused and were such a bush basher you'd
rather 28 million people stayed under Saddam's rule a 2.9 million children starved? That's what I comprehend.

Well if it well rehearsed it's only because it appears a very simple logical conclusion i.e. Bush destroyed a dictator that enslaved 28 million and would have starved 2.9 million
children. Can't get more simple then that so tell me where it is "shot full of holes"???

Were 28 million people enslaved by a Dictator that well here.. refute these stories..

Ahmad was Uday's chief executioner. Last week, as Iraqis celebrated the death of his former boss and his equally savage younger brother Qusay, he nervously revealed a hideous story. His instructions that day in 1999 were to arrest the two 19-year-olds on the campus of Baghdad's Academy of Fine Arts and deliver them at Radwaniyah. On arrival at the sprawling compound, he was directed to a farm where he found a large cage. Inside, two lions waited. They belonged to Uday. Guards took the two young men from the car and opened the cage door. One of the victims collapsed in terror as they were dragged, screaming and shouting, to meet their fate. Ahmad watched as the students frantically looked for a way of escape. There was none. The lions pounced. 'I saw the head of the first student literally come off his body with the first bite and then had to stand and watch the animals devour the two young men. By the time they were finished there was little left but for the bones and bits and pieces of unwanted flesh,' he recalled last week."
-- Sunday Times, London, July 27, 2003

"Ali would then draw out a pair of pliers and a sharp knife. Gripping the tongue with pliers, he would slice it up with the knife, tossing severed pieces into the street. "'Those punished were too terrified to move, even though they knew I was about to chop off their tongue,' said Ali in his matter-of-fact voice. 'They would just stand there, often praying and calling out for Saddam and Allah to spare them. By then it was too late.

"'I would read them out the verdict and cut off their tongue without any form of anaesthetic. There was always a lot of blood. Some offenders passed out. Others screamed in pain. They would then be given basic medical assistance in an ambulance which would always come with us on such punishment runs. Then they would be thrown in jail.'"

-- Fedayeen Saddam member interviewed in The Sunday Times (London), April 20, 2003
Saddam has reduced his people to abject poverty.
He wiped out families, villages, cities and cultures, and drove four million people into exile.
He killed between 100,000 and 200,000 Kurds. He killed as many as 300,000 Shiites in the uprising after the Persian Gulf war.
He killed or displaced 200,000 of the 250,000 marsh Arabs who had created a unique, centuries-old culture in the south. He drained the marshes, an environmental treasure, and turned them into a desert.

In a recent Frontline documentary, a woman who fled Iraq recounted how she and others had been forced
to witness the public beheadings of 15 women who had been rounded up for prostitution and other crimes against the state. One of the women was a doctor who had been misreported as speaking against the regime.
"They put her head in a trash can," she said.


And you as a Bush Basher didn't want this dictator removed? Right?

 

[Faun]

And again... as I've FREQUENTLY pointed out.. This was Bush's first year. Bush ran on getting the economy going as he and Cheney KNEW in 2000 there was going to be a recession. So if any one cares to research Bush WAS AGAINST Nation-building!

"Speaking to a cheering crowd in Chattanooga, Tenn., one day before the Nov. 7, 2000, election, George W. Bush repeated a line that had by then been a standard part of the stump speech for many, many months--and one that now seems, in the face of looming U.S. military action in Iraq, quite contradictory.
"Let me tell you what else I'm worried about: I'm worried about an opponent who uses nation building and the military in the same sentence.
See, our view of the military is for our military to be properly prepared to fight and win war and, therefore, prevent war from happening in the first place."
Bush Backs Into Nation Building

WHAT CHANGED BUSH???

9/11 did! Saddam cheering in the streets as 3,000 people died! And so again.. in Bush's first 6 months NOTHING was more important then getting the economy going..until..
that fateful day... and then Bush realized.. the only way to rid terrorists was rid the states that supported it and Iraq was a terrorist supporting state!
Here are the facts how Saddam subsidized terrorists!

Primarily groups that could hurt Saddam’s regional foes. Saddam has aided the Iranian dissident group Mujahadeen-e-Khalq and the Kurdistan Workers’ Party (known by its Turkish initials, PKK), a separatist group fighting the Turkish government. Moreover, Iraq has hosted several Palestinian splinter groups that oppose peace with Israel , including the mercenary Abu Nidal Organization, whose leader, Abu Nidal, was found dead in Baghdad in August 2002. Iraq has also supported the Islamist Hamas movement and reportedly channeled money to the families of Palestinian suicide bombers. A secular dictator, however, Saddam tended to support secular terrorist groups rather than Islamist ones such as al-Qaeda, experts say.
Terrorism Havens: Iraq - Council on Foreign Relations
And Saddam did support al-Qaeda.

Bullshit. But your desperation is duly noted. Hussein had Abu Nidal killed. That's your idea of supporting Al-Qaeda??? And there was no link between Hamas and Al-Qaeda, so that doesn't benefit your failed position either.

There was a relationship between Iraq and Saddam and al-Qaida,” Bush told reporters after meeting with his Cabinet at the White House. “This administration never said that the 9/11 attacks were orchestrated between Saddam and al-Qaida. We did say there were numerous contacts between Saddam and al-Qaida.”

Bush added: “Saddam Hussein was a threat. He was a threat because he had used weapons of mass destruction against his own people. He was a threat because he was a sworn enemy of the United States of America, just like al-Qaida. He was a threat because he had terrorist connections.
Osama-Saddam links 9-11 commission missed

Bullshit...

"Well, what we now have that’s developed since you and I last talked, Tim, of course, was that report that’s been pretty well confirmed, that he did go to Prague and he did meet with a senior official of the Iraqi intelligence service in Czechoslovakia last April, several months before the attack. Now, what the purpose of that was, what transpired between them, we simply don’t know at this point. But that’s clearly an avenue that we want to pursue." - Dick Cheney

Hussein had Abu Nidal killed.

It would be a bad idea to let us capture Nidal and question him, he might tell us more about Saddam's support for terrorists, Al Qaeda or otherwise.

We'll likely never know Hussein's motives for killing him; but regardless, Hussein was clearly not working with Al-Qaeda if the only connection you can find is where Hussein killed one of their operatives.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

It also didn't provide the seat numbers of the terrorists or their names, you forgot about that. At any rate, had Bush taken some action, perhaps 9.11 could have been thwarted. Taking no action whatsoever, as Bush did, had no chance at preventing the attack.

But then, being a miserable failure was the hallmark of Bush's presidency.

What action should he have taken?

He could have had airport security raised in the northeast where the suspicious activity was taking place. If for no other reason than to try to prevent the highjacking he was warned of.

Raised security how?
Maybe singling out Muslim men?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Bullshit. But your desperation is duly noted. Hussein had Abu Nidal killed. That's your idea of supporting Al-Qaeda??? And there was no link between Hamas and Al-Qaeda, so that doesn't benefit your failed position either.


Bullshit...

"Well, what we now have that’s developed since you and I last talked, Tim, of course, was that report that’s been pretty well confirmed, that he did go to Prague and he did meet with a senior official of the Iraqi intelligence service in Czechoslovakia last April, several months before the attack. Now, what the purpose of that was, what transpired between them, we simply don’t know at this point. But that’s clearly an avenue that we want to pursue." - Dick Cheney

Hussein had Abu Nidal killed.

It would be a bad idea to let us capture Nidal and question him, he might tell us more about Saddam's support for terrorists, Al Qaeda or otherwise.

We'll likely never know Hussein's motives for killing him; but regardless, Hussein was clearly not working with Al-Qaeda if the only connection you can find is where Hussein killed one of their operatives.

The only connection? What about letting him live in Iraq?
Wasn't that a connection?

 

[Faun]

Hussein had Abu Nidal killed.

It would be a bad idea to let us capture Nidal and question him, he might tell us more about Saddam's support for terrorists, Al Qaeda or otherwise.

We'll likely never know Hussein's motives for killing him; but regardless, Hussein was clearly not working with Al-Qaeda if the only connection you can find is where Hussein killed one of their operatives.

The only connection? What about letting him live in Iraq?
Wasn't that a connection?

How is letting him live a "connection?" Did they ever meet? Did they ever do "business?"

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

We'll likely never know Hussein's motives for killing him; but regardless, Hussein was clearly not working with Al-Qaeda if the only connection you can find is where Hussein killed one of their operatives.

The only connection? What about letting him live in Iraq?
Wasn't that a connection?

How is letting him live a "connection?" Did they ever meet? Did they ever do "business?"

Are you saying he moved into Iraq, and Saddam didn't know he was there?
Saddam didn't let him in?

 

[Faun]

What action should he have taken?

He could have had airport security raised in the northeast where the suspicious activity was taking place. If for no other reason than to try to prevent the highjacking he was warned of.

Raised security how?
Maybe singling out Muslim men?

Being on the alert of everyone. Making sure security policies (at that time) were being enforced. Being mindful of suspicious activity (such as someone buying a one-way ticket with no luggage). In general, just being more alert.

We'll never know, that may have been enough to prevent the attack.

Bush doing nothing had no hope of preventing the attack.

 

[Faun]

The only connection? What about letting him live in Iraq?
Wasn't that a connection?

How is letting him live a "connection?" Did they ever meet? Did they ever do "business?"

Are you saying he moved into Iraq, and Saddam didn't know he was there?
Saddam didn't let him in?

Reports were that he snuck in. At some point, it's clear that Hussein knew he was in the country. And at some point after that, he had him killed.

Expand on their "connection".......

 

[healthmyths]

He could have had airport security raised in the northeast where the suspicious activity was taking place. If for no other reason than to try to prevent the highjacking he was warned of.

Raised security how?
Maybe singling out Muslim men?

Being on the alert of everyone. Making sure security policies (at that time) were being enforced. Being mindful of suspicious activity (such as someone buying a one-way ticket with no luggage). In general, just being more alert.

We'll never know, that may have been enough to prevent the attack.

Bush doing nothing had no hope of preventing the attack.

Boy you really have GREAT 20/20 hindsight! HOW does that monday morning quarterback chair fit you???

So "making sure security policies" enforced.. buying one-way ticket no luggage..."
Wow you really are naive aren't you regarding how airline terminals work.. how airlines work.. really really naive!

“We didn’t have thousands of federal air marshals that we do today,” said TSA Spokesperson Nico Melendez. “We didn’t have pilots with guns in the cockpit as we do today.”
Ten years ago, Nico’s employer, the Transportation Security Administration didn’t even exist.
“In that first year of the TSA we had to hire 55,000 people and put technology in 450 airports,” said Melendez while standing near the security checkpoint at Sky Harbor.

How airport security was before 9/11

NOW WAIT... weren't you the one complained about Bush spending like a drunken sailor???
55,000 people at $40,000 a year is for them $2.2 billion more a year ADDED to Bush's drunken sailor spending!

After 9/11, the U.S. Congress created the Department of Homeland Security and the Transportation Security Administration.
Nearly $8 trillion was spent on what is called "security," Chris Hellman of the National Priorities Project estimates.
After 9/11, the Senate voted 100 to zero to federalize airport security. was that BUSH that PUSHED 100 senators??? WOW what power for being such an idiot!
Has Our Security Since 9/11 Been Worth $8 Trillion? | Fox News

BUT if we had ONLY LISTENED to YOU!!
watch out for one way ticket buyers no luggage...GEEZ your expertise would have SAVED billions!
One question... IF the solution was simply watching one way ticket buyers.. who would do the watching? What would be done? Who would be notified?
What charges would hold the one way ticket buyer on? didn't have the Patriot Act did we!!!

 

[Faun]

Raised security how?
Maybe singling out Muslim men?

Being on the alert of everyone. Making sure security policies (at that time) were being enforced. Being mindful of suspicious activity (such as someone buying a one-way ticket with no luggage). In general, just being more alert.

We'll never know, that may have been enough to prevent the attack.

Bush doing nothing had no hope of preventing the attack.

Boy you really have GREAT 20/20 hindsight! HOW does that monday morning quarterback chair fit you???

So "making sure security policies" enforced.. buying one-way ticket no luggage..."
Wow you really are naive aren't you regarding how airline terminals work.. how airlines work.. really really naive!

“We didn’t have thousands of federal air marshals that we do today,” said TSA Spokesperson Nico Melendez. “We didn’t have pilots with guns in the cockpit as we do today.”
Ten years ago, Nico’s employer, the Transportation Security Administration didn’t even exist.
“In that first year of the TSA we had to hire 55,000 people and put technology in 450 airports,” said Melendez while standing near the security checkpoint at Sky Harbor.

How airport security was before 9/11

NOW WAIT... weren't you the one complained about Bush spending like a drunken sailor???
55,000 people at $40,000 a year is for them $2.2 billion more a year ADDED to Bush's drunken sailor spending!

After 9/11, the U.S. Congress created the Department of Homeland Security and the Transportation Security Administration.
Nearly $8 trillion was spent on what is called "security," Chris Hellman of the National Priorities Project estimates.
After 9/11, the Senate voted 100 to zero to federalize airport security. was that BUSH that PUSHED 100 senators??? WOW what power for being such an idiot!
Has Our Security Since 9/11 Been Worth $8 Trillion? | Fox News

BUT if we had ONLY LISTENED to YOU!!
watch out for one way ticket buyers no luggage...GEEZ your expertise would have SAVED billions!
One question... IF the solution was simply watching one way ticket buyers.. who would do the watching? What would be done? Who would be notified?
What charges would hold the one way ticket buyer on? didn't have the Patriot Act did we!!!

Just think ... that $2.2 billion per year was spent in just one week in Iraq. That $2.2 billion would have been a drop in the bucket if it could have prevented an attack.

At any rate, who knows where you came up with the figure of 55,000 employees. My suggestion was to beef up security in the areas around the northeast where the threats seemed viable. And I would not have recommended keeping them in place indefinitely; only until the threat passed. So the actual cost would have been far less than your overinflated figure of $2.2 billion.

The answer to your question is the folks who already worked at the airport. There were already many security policies in place before 9.11; but due to complacency, many were ignored. Raising airport security would have raised alertness to the people working at the airports who weren't really paying attention to anything suspicious.

 

[healthmyths]

Being on the alert of everyone. Making sure security policies (at that time) were being enforced. Being mindful of suspicious activity (such as someone buying a one-way ticket with no luggage). In general, just being more alert.

We'll never know, that may have been enough to prevent the attack.

Bush doing nothing had no hope of preventing the attack.

Boy you really have GREAT 20/20 hindsight! HOW does that monday morning quarterback chair fit you???

So "making sure security policies" enforced.. buying one-way ticket no luggage..."
Wow you really are naive aren't you regarding how airline terminals work.. how airlines work.. really really naive!

“We didn’t have thousands of federal air marshals that we do today,” said TSA Spokesperson Nico Melendez. “We didn’t have pilots with guns in the cockpit as we do today.”
Ten years ago, Nico’s employer, the Transportation Security Administration didn’t even exist.
“In that first year of the TSA we had to hire 55,000 people and put technology in 450 airports,” said Melendez while standing near the security checkpoint at Sky Harbor.

How airport security was before 9/11

NOW WAIT... weren't you the one complained about Bush spending like a drunken sailor???
55,000 people at $40,000 a year is for them $2.2 billion more a year ADDED to Bush's drunken sailor spending!

After 9/11, the U.S. Congress created the Department of Homeland Security and the Transportation Security Administration.
Nearly $8 trillion was spent on what is called "security," Chris Hellman of the National Priorities Project estimates.
After 9/11, the Senate voted 100 to zero to federalize airport security. was that BUSH that PUSHED 100 senators??? WOW what power for being such an idiot!
Has Our Security Since 9/11 Been Worth $8 Trillion? | Fox News

BUT if we had ONLY LISTENED to YOU!!
watch out for one way ticket buyers no luggage...GEEZ your expertise would have SAVED billions!
One question... IF the solution was simply watching one way ticket buyers.. who would do the watching? What would be done? Who would be notified?
What charges would hold the one way ticket buyer on? didn't have the Patriot Act did we!!!

Just think ... that $2.2 billion per year was spent in just one week in Iraq. That $2.2 billion would have been a drop in the bucket if it could have prevented an attack.

At any rate, who knows where you came up with the figure of 55,000 employees. My suggestion was to beef up security in the areas around the northeast where the threats seemed viable. And I would not have recommended keeping them in place indefinitely; only until the threat passed. So the actual cost would have been far less than your overinflated figure of $2.2 billion.

The answer to your question is the folks who already worked at the airport. There were already many security policies in place before 9.11; but due to complacency, many were ignored. Raising airport security would have raised alertness to the people working at the airports who weren't really paying attention to anything suspicious.

Right... It was just too expensive to free 28 million people and keep 2.9 children from starvation.
That money should have never been spent and Saddam should be in power today doing what these 32 democrat quotes insisted including Al Gore who said:
in 1992.`He,'' meaning Saddam Hussein, ``had already launched poison gas attacks repeatedly, and Bush looked the other way.
He had already conducted extensive terrorism activities, and Bush looked the other way.
He was already deeply involved in the efforts to obtain nuclear weapons and other weapons of mass destruction.
Bush knew it, but he looked the other way.
Congressional Chronicle - C-SPAN Video Library

"..deny Iraq the capacity to develop WMD".Bill Clinton,1998
"..most brutal dictators of Century", Biden,1998
"Iraq compliance with Resolution 687 becomes shell game"..Daschle 1998
"He will use those WMDs again,as he has ten times since 1983" ..Berger Clinton Ntl. Secur. Advr 1998
"posed by Iraq's refusal to end its WMD programs" Levin 1998
"Saddam has been engaged in development of WMDs which is a threat.."Pelosi 1998 WHERE'D SHE GET THIS INFORMATION BEFORE BUSH?
"Hussein has chosen to spend his money on building WMDS.."Albright 1999
"Saddam to refine delivery systems, that will threaten the US..."Graham 2001
"Saddam has ignored the mandate of the UN and is building WMDs and the means to deliver.." Levin 2002
"Iraq's search for WMDs ...will continue as long as Saddam's in power"..Gore 2002
"Saddam retains stockpiles of WMDS.."Byrd 2002
"..give President authority to use force..to disarm Saddam because an arsenal of WMDs..threat our security"..Kerry 2002
"..Unmistakable evidence Saddam developing nuclear weapons next 5 years.."Rockefeller 2002
"Violated over 11 years every UN resolution demanding disarming WMDs.."Waxman 2002
"He's given aid,comfort & sanctuary to al Qaeda members..and keep developing WMDs"..Hillary 2002
"Compelling evidence Saddam has WMDs production storage capacity.." Graham 2002
"Without a question, we need to disarm Saddam. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime .... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction .... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real ...."Kerry , Jan. 23. 2003.

 

[Faun]

Boy you really have GREAT 20/20 hindsight! HOW does that monday morning quarterback chair fit you???

So "making sure security policies" enforced.. buying one-way ticket no luggage..."
Wow you really are naive aren't you regarding how airline terminals work.. how airlines work.. really really naive!

“We didn’t have thousands of federal air marshals that we do today,” said TSA Spokesperson Nico Melendez. “We didn’t have pilots with guns in the cockpit as we do today.”
Ten years ago, Nico’s employer, the Transportation Security Administration didn’t even exist.
“In that first year of the TSA we had to hire 55,000 people and put technology in 450 airports,” said Melendez while standing near the security checkpoint at Sky Harbor.

How airport security was before 9/11

NOW WAIT... weren't you the one complained about Bush spending like a drunken sailor???
55,000 people at $40,000 a year is for them $2.2 billion more a year ADDED to Bush's drunken sailor spending!

After 9/11, the U.S. Congress created the Department of Homeland Security and the Transportation Security Administration.
Nearly $8 trillion was spent on what is called "security," Chris Hellman of the National Priorities Project estimates.
After 9/11, the Senate voted 100 to zero to federalize airport security. was that BUSH that PUSHED 100 senators??? WOW what power for being such an idiot!
Has Our Security Since 9/11 Been Worth $8 Trillion? | Fox News

BUT if we had ONLY LISTENED to YOU!!
watch out for one way ticket buyers no luggage...GEEZ your expertise would have SAVED billions!
One question... IF the solution was simply watching one way ticket buyers.. who would do the watching? What would be done? Who would be notified?
What charges would hold the one way ticket buyer on? didn't have the Patriot Act did we!!!

Just think ... that $2.2 billion per year was spent in just one week in Iraq. That $2.2 billion would have been a drop in the bucket if it could have prevented an attack.

At any rate, who knows where you came up with the figure of 55,000 employees. My suggestion was to beef up security in the areas around the northeast where the threats seemed viable. And I would not have recommended keeping them in place indefinitely; only until the threat passed. So the actual cost would have been far less than your overinflated figure of $2.2 billion.

The answer to your question is the folks who already worked at the airport. There were already many security policies in place before 9.11; but due to complacency, many were ignored. Raising airport security would have raised alertness to the people working at the airports who weren't really paying attention to anything suspicious.

Right... It was just too expensive to free 28 million people and keep 2.9 children from starvation.
That money should have never been spent and Saddam should be in power today doing what these 32 democrat quotes insisted including Al Gore who said:
in 1992.`He,'' meaning Saddam Hussein, ``had already launched poison gas attacks repeatedly, and Bush looked the other way.
He had already conducted extensive terrorism activities, and Bush looked the other way.
He was already deeply involved in the efforts to obtain nuclear weapons and other weapons of mass destruction.
Bush knew it, but he looked the other way.
Congressional Chronicle - C-SPAN Video Library

"..deny Iraq the capacity to develop WMD".Bill Clinton,1998
"..most brutal dictators of Century", Biden,1998
"Iraq compliance with Resolution 687 becomes shell game"..Daschle 1998
"He will use those WMDs again,as he has ten times since 1983" ..Berger Clinton Ntl. Secur. Advr 1998
"posed by Iraq's refusal to end its WMD programs" Levin 1998
"Saddam has been engaged in development of WMDs which is a threat.."Pelosi 1998 WHERE'D SHE GET THIS INFORMATION BEFORE BUSH?
"Hussein has chosen to spend his money on building WMDS.."Albright 1999
"Saddam to refine delivery systems, that will threaten the US..."Graham 2001
"Saddam has ignored the mandate of the UN and is building WMDs and the means to deliver.." Levin 2002
"Iraq's search for WMDs ...will continue as long as Saddam's in power"..Gore 2002
"Saddam retains stockpiles of WMDS.."Byrd 2002
"..give President authority to use force..to disarm Saddam because an arsenal of WMDs..threat our security"..Kerry 2002
"..Unmistakable evidence Saddam developing nuclear weapons next 5 years.."Rockefeller 2002
"Violated over 11 years every UN resolution demanding disarming WMDs.."Waxman 2002
"He's given aid,comfort & sanctuary to al Qaeda members..and keep developing WMDs"..Hillary 2002
"Compelling evidence Saddam has WMDs production storage capacity.." Graham 2002
"Without a question, we need to disarm Saddam. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime .... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction .... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real ...."Kerry , Jan. 23. 2003.

There are millions of children dying from starvation every year in Africa ...

Aid For Starving Children - Formerly known as African American Self Help Foundation, Dayton, OH - Home

.. what are you doing about it ... ?

 

[healthmyths]

Just think ... that $2.2 billion per year was spent in just one week in Iraq. That $2.2 billion would have been a drop in the bucket if it could have prevented an attack.

At any rate, who knows where you came up with the figure of 55,000 employees. My suggestion was to beef up security in the areas around the northeast where the threats seemed viable. And I would not have recommended keeping them in place indefinitely; only until the threat passed. So the actual cost would have been far less than your overinflated figure of $2.2 billion.

The answer to your question is the folks who already worked at the airport. There were already many security policies in place before 9.11; but due to complacency, many were ignored. Raising airport security would have raised alertness to the people working at the airports who weren't really paying attention to anything suspicious.

Right... It was just too expensive to free 28 million people and keep 2.9 children from starvation.
That money should have never been spent and Saddam should be in power today doing what these 32 democrat quotes insisted including Al Gore who said:
in 1992.`He,'' meaning Saddam Hussein, ``had already launched poison gas attacks repeatedly, and Bush looked the other way.
He had already conducted extensive terrorism activities, and Bush looked the other way.
He was already deeply involved in the efforts to obtain nuclear weapons and other weapons of mass destruction.
Bush knew it, but he looked the other way.
Congressional Chronicle - C-SPAN Video Library

"..deny Iraq the capacity to develop WMD".Bill Clinton,1998
"..most brutal dictators of Century", Biden,1998
"Iraq compliance with Resolution 687 becomes shell game"..Daschle 1998
"He will use those WMDs again,as he has ten times since 1983" ..Berger Clinton Ntl. Secur. Advr 1998
"posed by Iraq's refusal to end its WMD programs" Levin 1998
"Saddam has been engaged in development of WMDs which is a threat.."Pelosi 1998 WHERE'D SHE GET THIS INFORMATION BEFORE BUSH?
"Hussein has chosen to spend his money on building WMDS.."Albright 1999
"Saddam to refine delivery systems, that will threaten the US..."Graham 2001
"Saddam has ignored the mandate of the UN and is building WMDs and the means to deliver.." Levin 2002
"Iraq's search for WMDs ...will continue as long as Saddam's in power"..Gore 2002
"Saddam retains stockpiles of WMDS.."Byrd 2002
"..give President authority to use force..to disarm Saddam because an arsenal of WMDs..threat our security"..Kerry 2002
"..Unmistakable evidence Saddam developing nuclear weapons next 5 years.."Rockefeller 2002
"Violated over 11 years every UN resolution demanding disarming WMDs.."Waxman 2002
"He's given aid,comfort & sanctuary to al Qaeda members..and keep developing WMDs"..Hillary 2002
"Compelling evidence Saddam has WMDs production storage capacity.." Graham 2002
"Without a question, we need to disarm Saddam. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime .... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction .... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real ...."Kerry , Jan. 23. 2003.

There are millions of children dying from starvation every year in Africa ...

Aid For Starving Children - Formerly known as African American Self Help Foundation, Dayton, OH - Home

.. what are you doing about it ... ?

Well for one thing I'm NOT BASHING anyone that is helping like you Bush BASHERS that forget 2.9 million kids would have STARVED if your hero were still in power in Iraq! Another thing I don't bash any President that helped 28 million raise their per capita over 1,290% since Saddam was removed.. but again
you don't WANT people to succeed or be free right? It is a waste!
Under Saddam Iraqi per person was $518! Today it is over $7,200! a 1,290% increase !
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/iz.html

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

He could have had airport security raised in the northeast where the suspicious activity was taking place. If for no other reason than to try to prevent the highjacking he was warned of.

Raised security how?
Maybe singling out Muslim men?

Being on the alert of everyone. Making sure security policies (at that time) were being enforced. Being mindful of suspicious activity (such as someone buying a one-way ticket with no luggage). In general, just being more alert.

We'll never know, that may have been enough to prevent the attack.

Bush doing nothing had no hope of preventing the attack.

At the time, you could carry box cutters and fly without luggage, even if you were a Muslim male.

I'm in favor of giving Muslim males an extra going over, but back then, liberals would have wet their pants over that. They still would today.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Being on the alert of everyone. Making sure security policies (at that time) were being enforced. Being mindful of suspicious activity (such as someone buying a one-way ticket with no luggage). In general, just being more alert.

We'll never know, that may have been enough to prevent the attack.

Bush doing nothing had no hope of preventing the attack.

Boy you really have GREAT 20/20 hindsight! HOW does that monday morning quarterback chair fit you???

So "making sure security policies" enforced.. buying one-way ticket no luggage..."
Wow you really are naive aren't you regarding how airline terminals work.. how airlines work.. really really naive!

“We didn’t have thousands of federal air marshals that we do today,” said TSA Spokesperson Nico Melendez. “We didn’t have pilots with guns in the cockpit as we do today.”
Ten years ago, Nico’s employer, the Transportation Security Administration didn’t even exist.
“In that first year of the TSA we had to hire 55,000 people and put technology in 450 airports,” said Melendez while standing near the security checkpoint at Sky Harbor.

How airport security was before 9/11

NOW WAIT... weren't you the one complained about Bush spending like a drunken sailor???
55,000 people at $40,000 a year is for them $2.2 billion more a year ADDED to Bush's drunken sailor spending!

After 9/11, the U.S. Congress created the Department of Homeland Security and the Transportation Security Administration.
Nearly $8 trillion was spent on what is called "security," Chris Hellman of the National Priorities Project estimates.
After 9/11, the Senate voted 100 to zero to federalize airport security. was that BUSH that PUSHED 100 senators??? WOW what power for being such an idiot!
Has Our Security Since 9/11 Been Worth $8 Trillion? | Fox News

BUT if we had ONLY LISTENED to YOU!!
watch out for one way ticket buyers no luggage...GEEZ your expertise would have SAVED billions!
One question... IF the solution was simply watching one way ticket buyers.. who would do the watching? What would be done? Who would be notified?
What charges would hold the one way ticket buyer on? didn't have the Patriot Act did we!!!

Just think ... that $2.2 billion per year was spent in just one week in Iraq. That $2.2 billion would have been a drop in the bucket if it could have prevented an attack.

At any rate, who knows where you came up with the figure of 55,000 employees. My suggestion was to beef up security in the areas around the northeast where the threats seemed viable. And I would not have recommended keeping them in place indefinitely; only until the threat passed. So the actual cost would have been far less than your overinflated figure of $2.2 billion.

The answer to your question is the folks who already worked at the airport. There were already many security policies in place before 9.11; but due to complacency, many were ignored. Raising airport security would have raised alertness to the people working at the airports who weren't really paying attention to anything suspicious.

My suggestion was to beef up security in the areas around the northeast where the threats seemed viable.

Why were threats only viable in the northeast?
Couldn't a plane be highjacked anywhere and flown to the northeast?

And I would not have recommended keeping them in place indefinitely; only until the threat passed.

As long as there are Muslims who think killing infidels earns virgins in paradise, there will be a threat.

 

[healthmyths]

Boy you really have GREAT 20/20 hindsight! HOW does that monday morning quarterback chair fit you???

So "making sure security policies" enforced.. buying one-way ticket no luggage..."
Wow you really are naive aren't you regarding how airline terminals work.. how airlines work.. really really naive!

“We didn’t have thousands of federal air marshals that we do today,” said TSA Spokesperson Nico Melendez. “We didn’t have pilots with guns in the cockpit as we do today.”
Ten years ago, Nico’s employer, the Transportation Security Administration didn’t even exist.
“In that first year of the TSA we had to hire 55,000 people and put technology in 450 airports,” said Melendez while standing near the security checkpoint at Sky Harbor.

How airport security was before 9/11

NOW WAIT... weren't you the one complained about Bush spending like a drunken sailor???
55,000 people at $40,000 a year is for them $2.2 billion more a year ADDED to Bush's drunken sailor spending!

After 9/11, the U.S. Congress created the Department of Homeland Security and the Transportation Security Administration.
Nearly $8 trillion was spent on what is called "security," Chris Hellman of the National Priorities Project estimates.
After 9/11, the Senate voted 100 to zero to federalize airport security. was that BUSH that PUSHED 100 senators??? WOW what power for being such an idiot!
Has Our Security Since 9/11 Been Worth $8 Trillion? | Fox News

BUT if we had ONLY LISTENED to YOU!!
watch out for one way ticket buyers no luggage...GEEZ your expertise would have SAVED billions!
One question... IF the solution was simply watching one way ticket buyers.. who would do the watching? What would be done? Who would be notified?
What charges would hold the one way ticket buyer on? didn't have the Patriot Act did we!!!

Just think ... that $2.2 billion per year was spent in just one week in Iraq. That $2.2 billion would have been a drop in the bucket if it could have prevented an attack.

At any rate, who knows where you came up with the figure of 55,000 employees. My suggestion was to beef up security in the areas around the northeast where the threats seemed viable. And I would not have recommended keeping them in place indefinitely; only until the threat passed. So the actual cost would have been far less than your overinflated figure of $2.2 billion.

The answer to your question is the folks who already worked at the airport. There were already many security policies in place before 9.11; but due to complacency, many were ignored. Raising airport security would have raised alertness to the people working at the airports who weren't really paying attention to anything suspicious.

My suggestion was to beef up security in the areas around the northeast where the threats seemed viable.

Why were threats only viable in the northeast?
Couldn't a plane be highjacked anywhere and flown to the northeast?

And I would not have recommended keeping them in place indefinitely; only until the threat passed.

As long as there are Muslims who think killing infidels earns virgins in paradise, there will be a threat.

All good suggestions. My point though is Bush never intended to have to deal with what NO OTHER President has EVER faced, i.e. an attack on the USA.
As I mentioned he had his hands full with trying to get the economy back on track after the recession that started BEFORE he was president.
He also much like Obama has had the dot.com bust fall into his lap. So these two gigantic events were overshadowing other issues.. i.e. Saddam etc...
But when he had what no other President has ever had an attack on USA mainland with 3,000 deaths, airlines not flying..wall street closed for 10 days...
SOMETHING was needed to get the country out of this very dangerous mind set, i.e. anthrax attacks (which no one seems to remember) the economy, etc. all
scaring the shit out of ALL of us!
And then with democrats harping about Saddam and WMDs and NOW the fear terrorists would get nukes from Saddam.. what would you do???

And then the earth started shaking.. i.e worst hurricanes in history...

MY point on this thread was simple... IN spite of all these major events none of which ANY President has ever seen in one administration, GWB at least kept the
economy going. People employed. People flying again. AND all the while we have the MSM tearing at GWB... remember Thomas editor newsweek our job to BASH BUSH!!"

So while your suggestions are absolute great ... in hind sight.. If all these things are going on around you may be Bush just had his hands full.
Remember unlike our current President who complained Bush couldn't walk and chew gum at the same time... our current president is the Messiah.. a golfer but nevertheless
our Messiah!!

 

[depotoo]

Just think ... that $2.2 billion per year was spent in just one week in Iraq. That $2.2 billion would have been a drop in the bucket if it could have prevented an attack.

At any rate, who knows where you came up with the figure of 55,000 employees. My suggestion was to beef up security in the areas around the northeast where the threats seemed viable. And I would not have recommended keeping them in place indefinitely; only until the threat passed. So the actual cost would have been far less than your overinflated figure of $2.2 billion.

The answer to your question is the folks who already worked at the airport. There were already many security policies in place before 9.11; but due to complacency, many were ignored. Raising airport security would have raised alertness to the people working at the airports who weren't really paying attention to anything suspicious.

My suggestion was to beef up security in the areas around the northeast where the threats seemed viable.

Why were threats only viable in the northeast?
Couldn't a plane be highjacked anywhere and flown to the northeast?

And I would not have recommended keeping them in place indefinitely; only until the threat passed.

As long as there are Muslims who think killing infidels earns virgins in paradise, there will be a threat.

All good suggestions. My point though is Bush never intended to have to deal with what NO OTHER President has EVER faced, i.e. an attack on the USA.
As I mentioned he had his hands full with trying to get the economy back on track after the recession that started BEFORE he was president.
He also much like Obama has had the dot.com bust fall into his lap. So these two gigantic events were overshadowing other issues.. i.e. Saddam etc...
But when he had what no other President has ever had an attack on USA mainland with 3,000 deaths, airlines not flying..wall street closed for 10 days...
SOMETHING was needed to get the country out of this very dangerous mind set, i.e. anthrax attacks (which no one seems to remember) the economy, etc. all
scaring the shit out of ALL of us!
And then with democrats harping about Saddam and WMDs and NOW the fear terrorists would get nukes from Saddam.. what would you do???

And then the earth started shaking.. i.e worst hurricanes in history...

MY point on this thread was simple... IN spite of all these major events none of which ANY President has ever seen in one administration, GWB at least kept the
economy going. People employed. People flying again. AND all the while we have the MSM tearing at GWB... remember Thomas editor newsweek our job to BASH BUSH!!"

So while your suggestions are absolute great ... in hind sight.. If all these things are going on around you may be Bush just had his hands full.
Remember unlike our current President who complained Bush couldn't walk and chew gum at the same time... our current president is the Messiah.. a golfer but nevertheless
our Messiah!!

There was another event. Remember the Hainan Island incident where 24 US Navy crew members were taken hostage by China.