Why Evolution is a Fairytale for Grown-Ups

[ReinyDays]

Selective breeding doesn't demonstrate evolution.

That's not an alternate theory ... and selective breeding is exactly how evolution works ...

 

[progressive hunter]

Never said it does. However, as you look at older and older rocks, you'll find that a some point there are no ants to be found. If they didn't evolve, where did they come from? Be brave and say what you believe.

try expanding beyond ants,,

how did cows become whales??
or dinosaurs become birds when all the dinos died??
or what gave birth to the first human??
there are others and you know it,,

 

[progressive hunter]

That's not an alternate theory ... and selective breeding is exactly how evolution works ...

breeding is what it say it is,, "BREEDING"

thats not evolution,,

 

[ReinyDays]

Exactly.

Now, demonstrate evolution for the class.

Flying developed among the dinosaurs producing birds ... separately it developed in the insects ... and most recently developed in mammals ...

We obverse the flying ... we measure the flying ... and flying evolved multiple times in unrelated lineages ... q.e.d. ...

 

[Woodznutz]

Any question asked by a creationist about evolution has already been asked and answered by evolutionary scientists.

Hardly. Science has never presented the step-by-step changes needed. They just present giant leaps; none of the billions of changes at the atomic and molecular level needed.

 

[alang1216]

lack of an alternative doesnt make evolution correct,,

and you using that shows you know evolution cant stand on its own merits,,

Evolution works just fine on its own merits, it completely explains what we see as no other theory does.

You are found in a locked room with a knife in your hand standing over the body of a man who killed your child, and he is bleeding from stab wounds. You may be the most unlucky innocent man ever but, if you can't offer an alternative narrative, any jury would find you guilty. That evidence would stand up in court DukeU.

 

[progressive hunter]

Evolution works just fine on its own merits, it completely explains what we see as no other theory does.

You are found in a locked room with a knife in your hand standing over the body of a man who killed your child, and he is bleeding from stab wounds. You may be the most unlucky innocent man ever but, if you can't offer an alternative narrative, any jury would find you guilty. That evidence would stand up in court DukeU.

then answer my questions,,

 

[DukeU]

Fossils generally come with timestamps, sometimes absolute, sometimes relative.

I don't even know how to respond to that statement.

Besides, you lie.

SMH

 

[ReinyDays]

breeding is what it say it is,, "BREEDING"

thats not evolution,,

Yes it is ... "inherited traits" are inherited through breeding ... [giggle] ... maybe ask your mommy or daddy about "the birds and the bees" someday ...

Small changes ... gene by gene ... generation by generation ... the evolution of a species ... or is this a "Young Earth" argument? ...

 

[alang1216]

Hardly. Science has never presented the step-by-step changes needed. They just present giant leaps; none of the billions of changes at the atomic and molecular level needed.

That is not a question.

 

[Woodznutz]

That's not an alternate theory ... and selective breeding is exactly how evolution works ...

Are you saying that there are no limits regarding the variety of new species that can be created via selective breeding?

 

[Woodznutz]

That is not a question.

That's my question.

 

[Robert W]

lack of an alternative doesnt make evolution correct,,

and you using that shows you know evolution cant stand on its own merits,,

This topic is controversial. And the reason is a good bit can't be explained as evolutionists appear to believe.

 

[alang1216]

try expanding beyond ants,,

how did cows become whales??
or dinosaurs become birds when all the dinos died??
or what gave birth to the first human??
there are others and you know it,,

You ask me a lot of questions but don't answer my questions.

Try this one: are zebras, donkeys, and horses the same species?

 

[DukeU]

and flying evolved multiple times in unrelated lineages ... q.e.d. ...

Observable, demonstrable, and repeatable?!?

 

[alang1216]

That's my question.

Who have you asked? Science has never presented the step-by-step changes needed or have you not even bothered to look it up?

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Evolutionary changes at the atomic and molecular level primarily involve alterations in DNA nucleotide sequences, which are the building blocks of genes. These changes, known as mutations, can range from single base pair substitutions to large-scale genome rearrangements. Other key molecular mechanisms include recombination, gene conversion, gene duplication, and new gene creation. These changes lead to variations in protein sequences, which in turn can affect their function and structure.

Here's a more detailed look at the key molecular mechanisms:

• Mutations:
  Errors during DNA replication, repair, or recombination can introduce changes in the nucleotide sequence. These changes can be subtle, like a single base pair substitution (point mutation), or more extensive, involving deletions, duplications, or inversions of DNA segments.
  
  
• Recombination:
  The exchange of genetic material between chromosomes during meiosis can lead to new combinations of genes and alleles.
  
  
• Gene Conversion:
  A process where one DNA sequence is replaced by a similar sequence, often leading to homogenization of gene sequences.
  
  
• Gene Duplication:
  The creation of extra copies of genes, which can then diverge in function over time.
  
  
• New Gene Creation:
  In rare cases, entirely new genes can arise through various mechanisms, such as transposon insertion, gene fusion, or other novel mechanisms.
  
  
• Protein Evolution:
  Changes in gene sequences translate into changes in protein sequences, potentially affecting their function, structure, and interactions. Natural selection can favor proteins with advantageous new functions or structures.
  

These molecular changes, driven by mutation, recombination, and other mechanisms, provide the raw material for evolution, and natural selection acts upon these variations to shape the genetic makeup of populations over time.

 

[alang1216]

This topic is controversial. And the reason is a good bit can't be explained as evolutionists appear to believe.

The topic may be controversial, the science is not.

 

[ReinyDays]

Are you saying that there are no limits regarding the variety of new species that can be created via selective breeding?

Given enough generations ... then yes ... selective breeding humans over a hundred trillion generations could produce a banana tree ... half the DNA is already in place ...

100,000 times the current age of the universe is a long time my friend ... nature produced a banana tree from bacteria in less than 2 billion years ... humans aren't that smart ...

 

[Robert W]

Never said it does. However, as you look at older and older rocks, you'll find that a some point there are no ants to be found. If they didn't evolve, where did they come from? Be brave and say what you believe.

A very good book about abiogenesis is in print and I read every bit of it.

The professor teaches at UCLA as I recall him.
Cradle of Life is the book

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Professor J. William Schopf is the author of several books focused on the origins of life, paleobiology, and evolution. His most well-known works include "Cradle of Life: The Discovery of Earth's Earliest Fossils", "Life's Origin: The Beginnings of Biological Evolution", and "Earth's Earliest Biosphere: Its Origin and Evolution". He has also co-authored and edited numerous other volumes on these topics.

He has been consulted by NASA to examine meteors found on earth that various scientists wanted him to examine as a source of life. The time I recall he did examine them and told Scientists there was no evidence to prove life was in it.
Why his book. He exposes the reader to very vital science and the book has photos and other scientific material to back up his book. You will learn that the first life came from the ocean off the coast of Australia. It was Cyanobacteria.

I have this book also by Professor Schopf, coming to me.
Life's Origin.
Always a controversial and compelling topic, the origin of life on Earth was considered taboo as an area of inquiry for science as recently as the 1950s. Since then, however, scientists working in this area have made remarkable progress, and an overall picture of how life emerged is coming more clearly into focus. We now know, for example, that the story of life's origin begins not on Earth, but in the interiors of distant stars. This book brings a summary of current research and ideas on life's origin to a wide audience. The contributors, all of whom received the Oparin/Urey Gold Medal of the International Society for the Study of the Origin of Life, are luminaries in the fields of chemistry, paleobiology, and astrobiology, and in these chapters they discuss their life's work: understanding the what, when, and how of the early evolution of life on Earth. Presented in nontechnical language and including a useful glossary of scientific terms, Life's Origin gives a state-of-the-art encapsulation of the fascinating work now being done by scientists as they begin to characterize life as a natural outcome of the evolution of cosmic matter.

 

[progressive hunter]

Yes it is ... "inherited traits" are inherited through breeding ... [giggle] ... maybe ask your mommy or daddy about "the birds and the bees" someday ...

Small changes ... gene by gene ... generation by generation ... the evolution of a species ... or is this a "Young Earth" argument? ...

in the end you still have a dog,,

its called breeding for a reason,, if it were evolution it would be called evolution..

and please stop with the religion deflection,, either evo can stand on its own merits or it cant,,