Why don't you want to tax the rich?

[dblack]

It provides Congress wide latitude in doing what needs to be done for We the People

Nope. It doesn't. You, and your statist friends, can pretend otherwise. But you're lying.

 

[dblack]

General Welfare

General. As in benefiting everyone. Not special interest groups. It's a limitation on the taxation power. Not an "implied power" to spend money wily nily. Congress is still constrained to the enumerated powers.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Can you identify the government functions you want to cut?

I did already

 

[rightwinger]

General. As in benefiting everyone. Not special interest groups. It's a limitation on the taxation power. Not an "implied power" to spend money wily nily. Congress is still constrained to the enumerated powers.

No legislation benefits everyone equally
Congress can operate in the interests of General Welfare

 

[dblack]

No legislation benefits everyone equally
Congress can operate in the interests of General Welfare

Fingers in your ears? GENERAL, not just for your buddies or corporate lobbyists. But cling to your lies. That's the only way you're going to get your fantasy of totalitarian government.

 

[rightwinger]

Fingers in your ears? GENERAL, not just for your buddies or corporate lobbyists. But cling to your lies. That's the only way you're going to get your fantasy of totalitarian government.

General means the country as a whole is better off

That can mean helping the poor, helping the rich, helping old people, helping minors

 

[dblack]

General means the country as a whole is better off

That can mean helping the poor, helping the rich, helping old people, helping minors

The general welfare clause is not an implied power to spend money on the welfare of the people. It's a limitation on the taxation power. Pretend otherwise all you.

 

[Nostra]

General means the country as a whole is better off

That can mean helping the poor, helping the rich, helping old people, helping minors

Enumerationist View: James Madison championed this, arguing the "general welfare" referred only to the specific enumerated powers (like defense, commerce, borrowing) that followed the Clause, making it a preamble to those specific powers, not a separate grant

 

[rightwinger]

The general welfare clause is not an implied power to spend money on the welfare of the people. It's a limitation on the taxation power. Pretend otherwise all you.

If it meant taxation it would say so
General Welfare is used twice to describe the powers of Congress

Basically
Do what needs doing

 

[BrokeLoser]

Basically
Do what needs doing

How sad…that actually makes sense to you.

 

[rightwinger]

How sad…that actually makes sense to you.

Yup

Congress doing what is best for the country makes sense to me

 

[hadit]

If it meant taxation it would say so
General Welfare is used twice to describe the powers of Congress

Basically
Do what needs doing

How did the people who wrote that define it? I could define the right to keep and bear arms to mean I can only buy one gun a month and have to pay a $5/bullet tax on ammo, but that's not what the writers meant, and their intent is what we go by.

 

[dblack]

If it meant taxation it would say so
General Welfare is used twice to describe the powers of Congress

Basically
Do what needs doing

Nope. That's an excuse for those of you who want government to do anything and everything.

 

[dblack]

How did the people who wrote that define it? I could define the right to keep and bear arms to mean I can only buy one gun a month and have to pay a $5/bullet tax on ammo, but that's not what the writers meant, and their intent is what we go by.

It's not how they define "general welfare" that's the point. The conceit of Hamilton (post Federalist Papers) was his flip flop on whether the clause constitutes an "implied power" to spend. It does not. It's merely a modifier to the taxation power. The Federalist Papers make this quite clear.

 

[task0778]

Yup

Congress doing what is best for the country makes sense to me

Just one little thing: who the **** is going to pay for doing everything for everybody?

 

[rightwinger]

Just one little thing: who the **** is going to pay for doing everything for everybody?

We the People

 

[rightwinger]

Nope. That's an excuse for those of you who want government to do anything and everything.

We expect our elected officials to do what is needed
If they fail, we don’t vote for them

 

[leftwinger]

These big mouthed Stain pay $2K-$5K federal income tax per year over 40 years is $100K or $200K for a better job.

One property tax bill for the rich exceeds that and the rich may buy 2 or more houses. Please make them stop Chirping all of 2026. Please?

 

[Nostra]

If it meant taxation it would say so
General Welfare is used twice to describe the powers of Congress

Basically
Do what needs doing

General Welfare:

Enumerationist View: James Madison championed this, arguing the "general welfare" referred only to the specific enumerated powers (like defense, commerce, borrowing) that followed the Clause, making it a preamble to those specific powers, not a separate grant

 

[Robert W]

We expect our elected officials to do what is needed
If they fail, we don’t vote for them

Should Congress send to Trump a new tax law designed to end the deficits and pay off national debt, by taxing millions of Americans who are not rich, sufficient amounts since they have for decades escaped paying a fair share to the Feds?