Why doesn't meat help meat eaters be healthy?

[buttercup]

I know the truth. I worked in a slaughterhouse. I still love animals, and I eat animals, and I'm not nuts.

You can't love animals while simultaneously paying for their suffering, abuse and unnecessary killing while they're still pretty much babies.

 

[buttercup]

Of course, the meat industry needs improving but you don't throw the baby out with the wash water. What you are suggesting is more than that however. You are suggesting a wholesale change in human nature. Only God can do that.

Blues Man is not even a believer and obviously he had that change of heart on this issue.

While it's true that a wholesale change in human nature can only happen by God, when we become born again.... it's not true that people can't have a change of heart on a single issue. Tons of people have, on this particular issue, both believers and non-believers alike.

 

[buttercup]

I still love animals, and I eat animals, and I'm not nuts.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Blues Man is not even a believer and obviously he had that change of heart on this issue.

While it's true that a wholesale change in human nature can only happen by God, when we become born again.... it's not true that people can't have a change of heart on a single issue. Tons of people have, on this particular issue, both believers and non-believers alike.

He's saying he's not capable of making compassionate choices. He's not capable of mercy. He's fine with actual animal abuse.

He's saying -- AS A "CHRISTIAN" -- "It's GOD'S fault

 

[Woodznutz]

You can't love animals while simultaneously paying for their suffering, abuse and unnecessary killing while they're still pretty much babies.

My neighbors aren't animals.

 

[braalian]

Every society on earth raises livestock for human consumption in one form or another.

That’s never going to change.

Plus, meat is tasty and is important to building muscle and maintaining testosterone.

(And no need to post some pic of some vegan bodybuilder with his prettyboy muscles)

 

[Woodznutz]

Although doctors say that meat is healthy, I do not know anyone who would benefit from meat-eating to be healthy. For example, my neighbor, a meat-eater, has disgusting skin, cellulite, and hardly climbs to the 3rd floor, and she is only 30. Plus she smells like dog.
Maybe she is affected by ptomaine in her intestines? Why can't meat eaters be healthy even though they have a "healthy diet"?

What Are the Positive Health Effects of Eating Meat?

Meat provides protein as well as several micronutrients such as iron, and B complex vitamins.

www.news-medical.net

 

[braalian]

Although doctors say that meat is healthy, I do not know anyone who would benefit from meat-eating to be healthy. For example, my neighbor, a meat-eater, has disgusting skin, cellulite, and hardly climbs to the 3rd floor, and she is only 30. Plus she smells like dog.
Maybe she is affected by ptomaine in her intestines? Why can't meat eaters be healthy even though they have a "healthy diet"?

It has little to do with your neighbor eating meat and likely more to do with him eating twinkies and Cheetos and smoking like a chimney.

The vast, vast majority of people eat meat. Including the vast majority of athletes. How do you explain that?

 

[Woodznutz]

It has little to do with your neighbor eating meat and likely more to do with him eating twinkies and Cheetos and smoking like a chimney.

The vast, vast majority of people eat meat. Including the vast majority of athletes. How do you explain that?

The thread is a troll.

 

[buttercup]

Every society on earth raises livestock for human consumption in one form or another.

There are a number of places in the world that don't eat nearly as much meat as we (that's a collective we) eat in the West.

But true or not, it doesn't matter anyway. It's a logical fallacy to imply that because the majority does something, or because "it's always been done that way" that makes it right. (argumentum ad populum, appeal to tradition.)

Murder and rape have also existed in every society, since the dawn of civilization, doesn't make those things right either.

That’s never going to change.

Well, according to the Bible ^ that statement is false. Yeah, yeah, I know you don't believe the Bible, but just sayin'.

Plus, meat is tasty

So sensory pleasure justifies suffering and violence toward an innocent victim?

and is important to building muscle and maintaining testosterone.

No, it really isn't necessary. At all. But I'll let Blues Man or CarlinAnnArbor take this one, since they're better at explaining it.

(And no need to post some pic of some vegan bodybuilder with his prettyboy muscles)

Ok, here's a video. (not a body builder, but he's one of the strongest men in the world who has broken multiple records)

 

[Blues Man]

I know the truth. I worked in a slaughterhouse. I still love animals, and I eat animals, and I'm not nuts.

Then you accept the hypocrisy of your choices.

Some people cannot

 

[Blues Man]

No hypocrisy. Not every animal is seen as food by meat eaters; dogs, cats, horses, other pet types as well as 'unclean' animals. Some dogs even help hunters bring home game. How weird is that?

Bullshit.

How many dogs have you eaten?

And dogs evolved from predatory animals so it's not really weird that those instincts can be exploited by humans

But dogs won't kill more than absolutely necessary for their survival.

Meat is not necessary for humans survival and we kill billions of animals every year anyway.

 

[Blues Man]

Of course, the meat industry needs improving but you don't throw the baby out with the wash water. What you are suggesting is more than that however. You are suggesting a wholesale change in human nature. Only God can do that.

More bullshit.

and I guess it's a good thing I don't worship your god because I know I can change my nature if I choose and you have accepted that you are powerless to change.

 

[Blues Man]

Every society on earth raises livestock for human consumption in one form or another.

That’s never going to change.

Plus, meat is tasty and is important to building muscle and maintaining testosterone.

(And no need to post some pic of some vegan bodybuilder with his prettyboy muscles)

Ah the testosterone myth again

Study finds vegan men 'don’t have lower testosterone levels' than meat-eaters

A study could dispel the myth that “real men eat meat” as the findings revealed no difference between the testosterone levels of the vegans and meat-eaters

www.veganfoodandliving.com

Plant-based diet associated with healthy testosterone levels

Men who follow plant-based diets have testosterone levels that are basically the same as the levels in men who eat meat, a study shows.

www.news-medical.net

 

[Woodznutz]

More bullshit.

and I guess it's a good thing I don't worship your god because I know I can change my nature if I choose and you have accepted that you are powerless to change.

I am in control of my nature, thanks to God.

 

[Woodznutz]

And dogs evolved from predatory animals so it's not really weird that those instincts can be exploited by humans

There is no proven genetic link between dogs and wolves, the 'predatory' animal you refer to.

 

[Woodznutz]

Meat is not necessary for humans survival and we kill billions of animals every year anyway.

Seriously, do you believe these animals will live forever?

 

[Woodznutz]

But dogs won't kill more than absolutely necessary for their survival.

Dogs have been known to go on killing sprees seeming just for the fun of it.

 

[Woodznutz]

How many dogs have you eaten?

There are better meat choices.

 

[Woodznutz]

More bullshit.

So, it's all or nothing at all with you? You wouldn't be happy with an 80 percent reduction of the meat industry?