Why doesn't meat help meat eaters be healthy?

"Growing up" becoming a callous, apathetic asshole.

In fact, the very opposite is true. Growing up means becoming a wise and decent human being. Only indoctrinated, stunted, damaged people end up as heartless assholes.
I've been killing and eating animals all my life and I'm a really nice, well-adjusted guy. I spent 15 years as a retail meat cutter, preparing meats for consumers. I also worked in a small slaughterhouse for a couple of years. It's all part of life on planet earth.
 
I've been killing and eating animals all my life and I'm a really nice, well-adjusted guy. I spent 15 years as a retail meat cutter, preparing meats for consumers. I also worked in a small slaughterhouse for a couple of years. It's all part of life on planet earth.
You're itching for an argument, and a need to justify yourself rather than reflect on your sins
 
In case we want to eat them someday?

I was actually going to give you props for being civil and mature, which is a rare thing around here... but now with that reply, sounds like you've resorted to trolling. :confused:

It would be nice if you would address (and actually try to refute) anything I've said, but apparently that's expecting too much.

I swear, I can't wait until this evil age is over. It sounds like you won't like what is coming in the future (see below) when God restores what He originally designed and intended this world to be in the first place, before selfishness, sin and death entered the world.

You seem to prefer selfishness and bloodshed... As opposed to what God wants:


The wolf will live with the lamb,​
and the leopard will lie down with the goat.​
The calf, the young lion, and the fatling will be together,​
and a child will lead them.​
The cow and the bear will graze,​
their young ones will lie down together,​
and the lion will eat straw like the ox.
An infant will play beside the cobra’s pit,​
and a toddler will put his hand into a snake’s den.​
None will harm or destroy another
on My entire holy mountain,​
for the land will be as full​
of the knowledge of the Lord​
as the sea is filled with water.
Isaiah 11:6-9​
 
I was actually going to give you props for being civil and mature, which is a rare thing around here... but now with that reply, sounds like you've resorted to trolling. :confused:

It would be nice if you would address (and actually try to refute) anything I've said, but apparently that's expecting too much.

I swear, I can't wait until this evil age is over. It sounds like you won't like what is coming in the future (see below) when God restores what He originally designed and intended this world to be in the first place, before selfishness, sin and death entered the world.

You seem to prefer selfishness and bloodshed... As opposed to what God wants:


The wolf will live with the lamb,​
and the leopard will lie down with the goat.​
The calf, the young lion, and the fatling will be together,​
and a child will lead them.​
The cow and the bear will graze,​
their young ones will lie down together,​
and the lion will eat straw like the ox.
An infant will play beside the cobra’s pit,​
and a toddler will put his hand into a snake’s den.​
None will harm or destroy another
on My entire holy mountain,​
for the land will be as full​
of the knowledge of the Lord​
as the sea is filled with water.​
Isaiah 11:6-9​
Jesus Christ will bring the kingdom, not vegetarians. Until then God has given us certain animals to eat. You really should do a bible study on the subject.

I refute your statement that 4H kids are traumatized knowing their animals will be eaten. Sad yes, but traumatized?
 
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Jesus Christ will bring the kingdom, not vegetarians. Until then God has given us certain animals to eat.

I refute your statement that 4H kids are traumatized knowing their animals will be eaten.

I never claimed that vegetarians will bring the kingdom, of course Jesus will, I was just showing you that apparently (correct me if I'm wrong) you won't like what is coming, you seem to prefer the fallen evil status quo.

And you can disagree with what I said about 4H, but that doesn't change the reality that many of those kids WERE traumatized by their experience, I've heard that from many people who were involved with 4H as kids.

How can you even deny that they form a bond with their animal, they LOVE their animal, the animal trusts them, and then they betray that trust by selling their animal to slaughter? I mean, you can't deny that happens.... as much as you don't want to admit it.
 
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I never claimed that vegetarians will bring the kingdom, of course Jesus will, I was just showing you that apparently (correct me if I'm wrong) you won't like what is coming, you seem to prefer the fallen evil status quo.

And you can disagree with what I said about 4H, but that doesn't change the reality that many of those kids WERE traumatized by their experience, I've heard that from many people who were involved with 4H as kids.

How can you even deny that they form a bond with their animal, they LOVE their animal, the animal trusts them, and then they betray that trust by selling their animal to slaughter? I mean, you can't deny that happens.... as much as you don't want to admit it.
You gotta stop making stuff up about me just because I disagree with you. The world needs more people like me. :biggrin:
 
"Growing up" becoming a callous, apathetic asshole.

In fact, the very opposite is true. Growing up means becoming a wise and decent human being. Only indoctrinated, stunted, damaged people end up as heartless assholes.
Fucking hypocrite. Every salad you eat requires the taking of life. If you think your "morality" is justified by what kind of life, you are mistaken. Maybe you will volunteer to be the main ingredient in Soylent Green because the other mammals (and most vegetables) are all smarter than you.
 
I swear, I can't wait until this evil age is over. It sounds like you won't like what is coming in the future (see below) when God restores what He originally designed and intended this world to be in the first place, before selfishness, sin and death entered the world.




This age was created by God for sin and death. Read your Bible.

"For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.

For the earnest expectation of the (creation) waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.

For the (creation) was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,

Because the (creation) itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now."
 
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This age was created by God for sin and death. Read your Bible.

"For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us
So you "can't help" killing. God made you do it? 😂

You don't have free will

You kill because "it's God's Will."

That's what the abortion "doctor" would say. The serial killer too.

Do you not know that murderers will not enter the Kingdom of Heaven?

Tell us again how it is GOD'S fault that you lust to end innocent life.

You CLAIM to be Christian. Yet you're trying to convince a Christian that YOU -- AS A CHRISTIAN -- was not CALLED OUT OF THIS WORLD. Murderers can still murder and be sons of God. Adulterers can still sleep with anothers spouse and still call themselves Christian. God expects NOTHING of you.

You're grasping. And to make matters worse, you're intentionally twisting scripture to justify evil. You haven't surrendered to God. You haven't yet DIED for Christ. Not God's will but YOUR will be done.
 
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So you "can't help" killing. God made you do it? 😂

You don't have free will

You kill because "it's God's Will."

That's what the abortion "doctor" would say. The serial killer too.

Do you not know that murderers will not enter the Kingdom of Heaven?

Tell us again how it is GOD'S fault that you lust to end innocent life.

You CLAIM to be Christian. Yet you're trying to convince a Christian that YOU -- AS A CHRISTIAN -- was not CALLED OUT OF THIS WORLD. Murderers can still murder and be sons of God. Adulterers can still sleep with anothers spouse and still call themselves Christian. God expects NOTHING of you.

You're grasping. And to make matters worse, you're intentionally twisting scripture to justify evil. You haven't surrendered to God. You haven't yet DIED for Christ. Not God's will but YOUR will be done.
That's a pretty harsh judgment coming from another Christian. :omg:

Recall that God himself placed a curse on animals at creation. Killing and eating animals isn't "evil", sorry. However, it could be done more humanely, but that's out of my hands.

Oh, and Jesus' sandals were likely made of leather. And he likely ate lamb every Passover.

My wife was an animal lover, hated that I hunted, but made the best fried chicken. ;)

I think this argument between you, Buttercup, and me is more a battle of the sexes than about eating meat.
 
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I was actually going to give you props for being civil and mature, which is a rare thing around here... but now with that reply, sounds like you've resorted to trolling. :confused:

It would be nice if you would address (and actually try to refute) anything I've said, but apparently that's expecting too much.

I swear, I can't wait until this evil age is over. It sounds like you won't like what is coming in the future (see below) when God restores what He originally designed and intended this world to be in the first place, before selfishness, sin and death entered the world.

You seem to prefer selfishness and bloodshed... As opposed to what God wants:


The wolf will live with the lamb,​
and the leopard will lie down with the goat.​
The calf, the young lion, and the fatling will be together,​
and a child will lead them.​
The cow and the bear will graze,​
their young ones will lie down together,​
and the lion will eat straw like the ox.
An infant will play beside the cobra’s pit,​
and a toddler will put his hand into a snake’s den.​
None will harm or destroy another
on My entire holy mountain,​
for the land will be as full​
of the knowledge of the Lord​
as the sea is filled with water.​
Isaiah 11:6-9​
"Will", future tense. ;)
 
That's a pretty harsh judgment coming from another Christian. :omg:

Recall that God himself placed a curse on animals at creation. Killing and eating animals isn't "evil", sorry. However, it could be done more humanely, but that's out of my hands.

Oh, and Jesus' sandals were likely made of leather. And he likely ate lamb every Passover.

My wife was an animal lover, hated that I hunted, but made the best fried chicken. ;)

I think this argument between you, Buttercup, and me is more a battle of the sexes than about eating meat.
Slaughtering literally billions of animals annually when there is actually no need to is cruel
 
I never claimed that vegetarians will bring the kingdom, of course Jesus will, I was just showing you that apparently (correct me if I'm wrong) you won't like what is coming, you seem to prefer the fallen evil status quo.
Eating meat is not high on the list of things to repent of.
And you can disagree with what I said about 4H, but that doesn't change the reality that many of those kids WERE traumatized by their experience, I've heard that from many people who were involved with 4H as kids.
That 4H program has been around for decades involving millions of kids and millions of animals. If trauma over the fate of those animals was a serious problem that program would have ended long ago.
How can you even deny that they form a bond with their animal, they LOVE their animal, the animal trusts them, and then they betray that trust by selling their animal to slaughter? I mean, you can't deny that happens.... as much as you don't want to admit it.
Of course they love and bond with their animals. But they are also well aware of their purpose. That they are saddened is natural and good. It shows that they are tender hearted. However, they recover and many go on to raise other animals.
 
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