Zone1 Why doesn't god just kill satan

[hobelim]

Because he can't.
You won't find a verse in the Bible that explains his power in heaven.
The Devil is one of the high ranking members after all. High enough to have believed he could overthrow him. It is clear that if God was all power in heaven then there would be no possibility of conflict would there?

There is no conflict in Heaven. See Gen 3:14. The higher one goes in the hierarchy of hell the lower one gets.

Its up to people to first learn what a talking serpent actually represents, a despicable human archetype, a con artist, and then do the will of God "on earth as it is in heaven" which is to condemn the devil in any guise, religious, political, or secular, to the lowest place in society, "Lower than cattle and all the wild beats of the field."

Now you know.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

There is no conflict in Heaven. See Gen 3:14. The higher one goes in the hierarchy of hell the lower one gets.

Its up to people to first learn what a talking serpent actually represents, a despicable human archetype, and then do the will of God "on earth as it is in heaven" which is to condemn the devil in any guise, religious, political, or secular, to the lowest place in society, "Lower than cattle and all the wild beats of the field."

So you believe that A&E are a parable?

 

[hobelim]

So you believe that A&E are a parable?

Yes.

I knew immediately, in the 2nd grade, as soon as a crafty talking serpent was introduced it was like a fairy tale. Not to mention the fact that when the children of Adam & Eve wanted to find a mate, THEY WENT TO A CITY.

What does that tell you?

 

[toobfreak]

Why doesn't god just kill satan​

In all this discussion, does it occur to anyone that the world ended up exactly as it must be? Never mind "killing Satan," do you really think that would end evil? Worse, does anyone imagine that the world could operate with a heaven but no hell?

And what would be the point to heaven if all was goodness and love already right here on Earth?

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Yes.

I knew immediately, in the 2nd grade, as soon as a crafty talking serpent was introduced it was like a fairy tale. Not to mention the fact that when the children of Adam & Eve wanted to find a mate, THEY WENT TO A CITY.

What does that tell you?

Well if you think it is a fairy tale, then why comment on it, especially debating.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Why doesn't god just kill satan​

In all this discussion, does it occur to anyone that the world ended up exactly as it must be? Never mind "killing Satan," do you really think that would end evil? Worse, does anyone imagine that the world could operate with a heaven but no hell?

And what would be the point to heaven if all was goodness and love already right here on Earth?

We were made in their image.
And in the "God-sphere" there are many good and bad entities
So, correct, "killing" Satan would not end evil, it is in us to begin with.
Go ahead and raise a child with no direction, or any kind of corrective measures and see what happens.

 

[ding]

Well, forensic in that the CMB leaves behind us a snapshot of an earlier time. As to paired particle production, I'm always careful of observational bias--- you see, if 99 out of 100 times, universes produced balanced levels of paired particles which all neatly self-annihilated, how would we ever know? By definition then, the only universe we can ever know is one where there was enough of one or the other type matter to leave behind some permanent, stable phenomenal cloud of substance.


Well, that certainly explains a lot. Problem with theories is that we always create them to fit observations, but it certainly sounds like a viable possibility. Of course, that still leaves wide open what suddenly caused the paired particle production in the first place (such as two branes colliding, etc.).

Paired particle production isn't a theory. Particles pop into and out of existence in supercolliders all the time.

 

[ding]

The JWST can't win the Nobel but those associated with the dicoveries might?

Just in case, the C.C. should be thinking of proactive damage control.

Keep the cards and letters coming my friend!

What was that evidence again?

 

[ding]

The JWST can't win the Nobel but those associated with the dicoveries might?

Not without any evidence, they won't.

 

[ding]

Except you can kill your slaves according to the god's word in his bibles!

Which verse is that?

 

[toobfreak]

Paired particle production isn't a theory. Particles pop into and out of existence in supercolliders all the time.

You speak of the ordinary quantum foam. What is a theory is the cause, formation and role of particle pairing in the Big Bang as no one could be there to directly witness it, so all that leaves is theory. As the total energy of any system must be conserved in pair production, the incoming energy of the photon exciter must be above a threshold of at least the total rest mass energy of the two particles being created. All other conserved quantum values of the produced particles must sum to zero – thus the created particles must have opposite values of each other.

So, the probability of pair production in photon–matter interactions must increase with photon energy and also increases approximately as the square of the number of protons of the associated atom.

 

[ding]

You speak of the ordinary quantum foam. What is a theory is the cause, formation and role of particle pairing in the Big Bang as no one could be there to directly witness it, so all that leaves is theory. As the total energy of any system must be conserved in pair production, the incoming energy of the photon exciter must be above a threshold of at least the total rest mass energy of the two particles being created. All other conserved quantum values of the produced particles must sum to zero – thus the created particles must have opposite values of each other.

So, the probability of pair production in photon–matter interactions must increase with photon energy and also increases approximately as the square of the number of protons of the associated atom.

The question you should be asking yourself is if paired particle production didn't produce the radiation of the CMB, what did?

 

[toobfreak]

The question you should be asking yourself is if paired particle production didn't produce the radiation of the CMB, what did?

The microwave background formed about 400,000 years after the Big Bang as part of its recombination phase when it reached a temperature low enough for protons and electrons to combine and form neutral hydrogen atoms. This process reduced the number of free electrons, letting photons travel freely through space as light. 13.8 billion years later, we now see that cooled light as the CMB.

 

[Meister]

?
It doesn't make sense to me. Just seems like a way to instill fear.

Once we know the upper story we will have the answer.

 

[ding]

The microwave background formed about 400,000 years after the Big Bang as part of its recombination phase when it reached a temperature low enough for protons and electrons to combine and form neutral hydrogen atoms. This process reduced the number of free electrons, letting photons travel freely through space as light. 13.8 billion years later, we now see that cooled light as the CMB.

Not exactly. The radiation was created at the big bang through paired particle production. It took ~380,000 for the universe to cool enough for radiation to decouple from matter. That's when the universe became opaque enough for light to appear.

The Early Universe

 

[ding]

There is no conflict in Heaven. See Gen 3:14. The higher one goes in the hierarchy of hell the lower one gets.

Its up to people to first learn what a talking serpent actually represents, a despicable human archetype, a con artist, and then do the will of God "on earth as it is in heaven" which is to condemn the devil in any guise, religious, political, or secular, to the lowest place in society, "Lower than cattle and all the wild beats of the field."

Now you know.

Sounds very secularized. Science tells us that the universe had a beginning. Did God create the universe?

 

[toobfreak]

Not exactly.

Yeah, exactly, but no skin off my nose what you want to believe.

The radiation was created at the big bang through paired particle production.

Not only is that just pure speculation, but there was no radiation or particles even possible at the time of the Big Bang.

It took ~380,000 for the universe to cool enough for radiation to decouple from matter.

I'm not even sure what that is supposed to mean, so I will just pass it by. Besides, is this what this thread was even supposed to be about?

That's when the universe became opaque enough for light to appear.

You mean transparent enough for light to appear.

 

[ding]

Not only is that just pure speculation, but there was no radiation or particles even possible at the time of the Big Bang.

The early universe was radiation dominated. If there was no radiation or no paired particle production at the time of the Big Bang, what do you believe there was at the time of the Big Bang?

 

[ding]

I'm not even sure what that is supposed to mean, so I will just pass it by. Besides, is this what this thread was even supposed to be about?

It means until the universe cooled enough radiation and matter were combined and that they didn't decouple until the universe cooled enough.

 

[ding]

You mean transparent enough for light to appear.

Yes