Why does devolution often accompany evolution?

[Seymour Flops]

Humans are the best example, of course. We supposedly descend from an ape-like ancestor. Obviously growing a big brain would be beneficial to survival.

But what was the survival benefit of losing our fur coats, our strong jaws, our super speed and super strength (compared to apes), along with our ability to climb and swing through trees? It would seem that any mutation in that direction would be quickly extinguished in the struggle for life, as Darwin called it.

Wouldn't apes with ape like physical prowess combined with emerging human intelligence be super survivors and super reproducers.

Why did certain birds lose their flight? I've seen a reasonable explanation for penguin but not for other birds. Why did snakes lose their legs?

What's the Darwinian explanation?

 

[Hollie]

Humans are the best example, of course. We supposedly descend from an ape-like ancestor. Obviously growing a big brain would be beneficial to survival.

But what was the survival benefit of losing our fur coats, our strong jaws, our super speed and super strength (compared to apes), along with our ability to climb and swing through trees? It would seem that any mutation in that direction would be quickly extinguished in the struggle for life, as Darwin called it.

Wouldn't apes with ape like physical prowess combined with emerging human intelligence be super survivors and super reproducers.

Why did certain birds lose their flight? I've seen a reasonable explanation for penguin but not for other birds. Why did snakes lose their legs?

What's the Darwinian explanation?

Adaptation is a term used in the context of evolutionary biology.

That populations adapt suggests that your version of super-magical designer creators are inept and incompetent.

Why would organisms need to adapt? They would if your super-magical designer creators designed incorrectly?

 

[Gabe Lackmann]

Everything follows a cycle.

Expansion, contraction, decay, rejuvenation, expansion...

 

[Ringtone]

Adaptation is a term used in the context of evolutionary biology.

That populations adapt suggests that your version of super-magical designer creators are inept and incompetent.

Why would organisms need to adapt? They would if your super-magical designer creators designed incorrectly?

 

[Hollie]

Another of your thoughtful, considered imitations of a boat anchor.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Everything follows a cycle.

Expansion, contraction, decay, rejuvenation, expanse COLLAPSE

The Only Road to Perdition Is Patrician

That follows exactly the pattern of hereditary power, which must be abolished to prevent history from going in circles. Imagine if pro athletes had the right to pass on their positions to their sons. Soon pro sports would become a joke. If you believe the rich have a right to pass on their wealth to their descendants, the joke's on you.

 

[abu afak]

Humans are the best example, of course. We supposedly descend from an ape-like ancestor. Obviously growing a big brain would be beneficial to survival.

But what was the survival benefit of losing our fur coats, our strong jaws, our super speed and super strength (compared to apes), along with our ability to climb and swing through trees? It would seem that any mutation in that direction would be quickly extinguished in the struggle for life, as Darwin called it.

Wouldn't apes with ape like physical prowess combined with emerging human intelligence be super survivors and super reproducers.

Why did certain birds lose their flight? I've seen a reasonable explanation for penguin but not for other birds. Why did snakes lose their legs?

What's the Darwinian explanation?

FALSE PREMISE AS ALWAYS.

Smaller is some cases is better, and more of our calories are consumed by our brains.
What has happened to the Gorilla population in the last Million, 100k 10K and 200 years.
It collapsed while the human population exploded.
Our IQs (not your family) and mental skills have probably gone up/EVOLVED 50-100% in the last 10K years along with the advent of Agriculture which produced 100x the calories. Towns, cities, trade, weights and measures, written languages.
No longer needed fighting/hunter-gatherer skills. And we have tools and weapons for much longer than the Ag explosion. Brains beats brawn.
We probably wiped out many large (edible) species: like mammoths and their predators.
They were no match for our tools and brains.

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[abu afak]

Another of your thoughtful, considered imitations of a boat anchor.

If you look art Ringtone's posting activity page you'll see he has been reduced to a single small emoticon many times lately.
He needs to be removed.
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[Ringtone]

If you look art Ringtone's posting activity page you'll see he has been reduced to a single small emoticon many times lately.
He needs to be removed.
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Ah! You've noticed. I'll give you credit for that. It's called exasperation with the decline in the quality of thought on this board.

 

[Seymour Flops]

The Only Road to Perdition Is Patrician

That follows exactly the pattern of hereditary power, which must be abolished to prevent history from going in circles. Imagine if pro athletes had the right to pass on their positions to their sons. Soon pro sports would become a joke. If you believe the rich have a right to pass on their wealth to their descendants, the joke's on you.

Your sports analogy is very interesting and clever, but flawed.

In order for pro athletes to have the "right" to pass on their positions to their sons, the team owners would have to be forced to accept them. So, that would be the furthest thing from a free market. Suppose that they could pass on the position of Quarterback, Chicago Bears. But the Bears could fire them, just like any other player. How long would they last? One snap? How damaged would pro sports be by that. Not as damaged as Jim McMahon Junior or whoever.

If the Hilton Hotel chain gets passed on the Paris Hilton, she will either step up her game and run it as her fathers and grandfathers have, or she will run it into bankruptcy, in which case more qualified hotel operators will take over the buildings. So long as the wealth is not destroyed, it will pass from the incompetent to the competent. Who is the biggest destroyer of wealth? Government, of course.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Your sports analogy is very interesting and clever, but flawed.

In order for pro athletes to have the "right" to pass on their positions to their sons, the team owners would have to be forced to accept them. So, that would be the furthest thing from a free market. Suppose that they could pass on the position of Quarterback, Chicago Bears. But the Bears could fire them, just like any other player. How long would they last? One snap? How damaged would pro sports be by that. Not as damaged as Jim McMahon Junior or whoever.

If the Hilton Hotel chain gets passed on the Paris Hilton, she will either step up her game and run it as her fathers and grandfathers have, or she will run it into bankruptcy, in which case more qualified hotel operators will take over the buildings. So long as the wealth is not destroyed, it will pass from the incompetent to the competent.

Model-Heirplane Glue

The next generation owns the employment market place, so you Preppy- lovers have no right to let your idols pick winners (their inferior brats) and losers (worth instead of birth) in that generation. The fantasy that Free-Market magic will eliminate incompetent heirs is a self-serving myth. Besides, the next generation has to suffer through years of unearned domination even in the few cases where Bright Makes Might.


As if it had ever actually been tried and had proved what you sacrificial brown-noses desperately want to believe, your slavish clique constantly repeats the heiry-fairy tale that if wealth were redistributed, the dispossessed heirs would soon be back on top anyway.

So let your Preppy Masters start at the bottom and work their way up. If they deserve their inheritance, they won't need it, so it must be given to finance talent the same way the dependent HeirHead parasite nation-destroyers are being financed in Terminal America now.

Your loyal-peasant lie that the Free Market will soon weed out the incompetent also applies to crooked class-climbing GreedHeads. That is what Yeltsin fell for in Russia, leading to economic disaster there until Putin arrived and solved it the hard way.

Licking the Plutes' boot polish has warped your brain.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Model-Heirplane Glue

The next generation owns the employment market place, so you Preppy- lovers have no right to let your idols pick winners (their inferior brats) and losers (worth instead of birth) in that generation. The fantasy that Free-Market magic will eliminate incompetent heirs is a self-serving myth. Besides, the next generation has to suffer through years of unearned domination even in the few cases where Bright Makes Might.


As if it had ever actually been tried and had proved what you sacrificial brown-noses desperately want to believe, your slavish clique constantly repeats the heiry-fairy tale that if wealth were redistributed, the dispossessed heirs would soon be back on top anyway.

So let your Preppy Masters start at the bottom and work their way up. If they deserve their inheritance, they won't need it, so it must be given to finance talent the same way the dependent HeirHead parasite nation-destroyers are being financed in Terminal America now.

Your loyal-peasant lie that the Free Market will soon weed out the incompetent also applies to crooked class-climbing GreedHeads. That is what Yeltsin fell for in Russia, leading to economic disaster there until Putin arrived and solved it the hard way.

Licking the Plutes' boot polish has warped your brain.

Wow, you said a beard full.

So how is it that the free market would not work against incompetent people who inherit great wealth?

Are you aware of what typically does to lottery winners?

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

So how is it that the free market would not work against incompetent people who inherit great wealth?

Supporting Rich Trash Won't Make You Rich; It Will Just Make You Trash

You should go back and slave all day in the fields beside the crumbling castles of Europe so that your spoiled-putrid Masters can feast all night. You, and they, don't belong in America at all. Your bootlicking ilk is the very opposite of what made us strong and gave us widespread prosperity.

America has lost its way. We won't find it again until we push you loyal peasants out of the way.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Supporting Rich Trash Won't Make You Rich; It Will Just Make You Trash

You should go back and slave all day in the fields beside the crumbling castles of Europe so that your spoiled-putrid Masters can feast all night. You, and they, don't belong in America at all. Your bootlicking ilk is the very opposite of what made us strong and gave us widespread prosperity.

America has lost its way. We won't find it again until we push you loyal peasants out of the way.

So how is it that the free market would not work against incompetent people who inherit great wealth?

 

[Quasar44]

Seymour Flops
High intelligence comes with a big price
. Many genes are concentrated on the complex brain of humans .

However..in the near future : augmentations will become reality with strength suits , eye and ear implants

 

[Quasar44]

Human intelligence went far beyond survival
. In fact , many think it was a “brain arms race” that gave us way more intelligence than necessary

 

[Seymour Flops]

Seymour Flops
High intelligence comes with a big price
. Many genes are concentrated on the complex brain of humans .

However..in the near future : augmentations will become reality with strength suits , eye and ear implants

Well, this is new to me.

Did you think that "concentrated genes" idea yourself or can I read about it somewhere? Just so I'm clear, in order to have the genes for big brains, human gene for strength, furriness, strong jaws and teeth, speed, etc., all had to be somehow converted to big brain genes?

Human intelligence went far beyond survival
. In fact , many think it was a “brain arms race” that gave us way more intelligence than necessary

"Many think," a lot of things, and they are more than welcome to "think" them. Just don't force me to spend tax dollars teaching nonsense like that as fact.

More intelligence than necessary? You might think that on this particular board. Go to a lib dominated forum and you will change your mind. Or just look at the Darwinians on this part of the forum.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Ah! You've noticed. I'll give you credit for that. It's called exasperation with the decline in the quality of thought on this board.

Hilarious, considering you would get laughed out of any room of educated people. Maybe it's you...?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Just so I'm clear, in order to have the genes for big brains, human gene for strength, furriness, strong jaws and teeth, speed, etc., all had to be somehow converted to big brain genes?

Then no, you aren't clear. In fact, you are an unteachable fool who just mangled the simple ideas spoonfed to you.

 

[Hollie]

Well, this is new to me.

Did you think that "concentrated genes" idea yourself or can I read about it somewhere? Just so I'm clear, in order to have the genes for big brains, human gene for strength, furriness, strong jaws and teeth, speed, etc., all had to be somehow converted to big brain genes?

"Many think," a lot of things, and they are more than welcome to "think" them. Just don't force me to spend tax dollars teaching nonsense like that as fact.

More intelligence than necessary? You might think that on this particular board. Go to a lib dominated forum and you will change your mind. Or just look at the Darwinians on this part of the forum.

"Many think," a lot of things, and they are more than welcome to "think" them. Just don't force me to spend tax dollars teaching nonsense like that as fact.

Yes. Many think that magical designers (designers they can’t identify), are responsible for biological life on the planet. Many of those designer’ists want to force their magical, unsupported claims to gods, space aliens, supernatural designers, whatever, into the public schools.

I too don’t want tax dollars spent to press agendas involving the fears and superstitions surrounding gods, space aliens and supernatural designers.