Zone1 Why does a good God allow evil?

[Votto]

As I have said repeatedly here before, this is the one question that dogs those of faith, which is, why does a good God allow evil? But for those not of faith, the questions are even harder, which is, answering pretty much everything else regarding our existence.

This is an interesting response to the question.

 

[Dr.Destructo]

BS!!!

There doesn't need to be any "god" for humans to develop a sense of right and wrong.
It's not a value given down by some imaginary being that there has NEVER been one iota of proof of existence.
Any sentient creature that developes into a society minded being, will start developing processes and rules for that society.
One of which is what is right, and what is wrong, according to that societies average standards for those in that society.

And if that society developes to the extent of electing leaders to manage their society, those leaders will tell the society what is right and what is wrong, dependent on the most good served to the people in that society.

None of it has ANYTHING to do with any "god".



And besides........answering a question with a question is THE most notable scam going, because they don't have any REAL answers for non-believers' questions.

 

[Lisa558]

Because man has free will.

 

[TNHarley]

There doesn't need to be any "god" for humans to develop a sense of right and wrong.

Especially since we are morally superior to the desert savages that created this nonsense.
Slavery was fine. Having your kids killed for back talking was fine. Stoning women for being raped. Etc.

 

[TNHarley]

Because man has free will.

If god knows all, why did he give us free will if he knew what would happen? We had free will for five minutes before eve fucked it all up.
An all knowing god had to flood the entire planet and kill everyone because of evil. So he created us, knew we would fuck up, so he kills everyone. And mass slaughters millions more for the same reason, after the fact. Continuous cycle.
It reminds me of the crazy kid down the road that tortures animals for fun. And then shoots up a school, or becomes a serial killer.

 

[Lisa558]

Especially since we are morally superior to the desert savages that created this nonsense.
Slavery was fine. Having your kids killed for back talking was fine. Stoning women for being raped. Etc.

You sound like an arrogant liberal, declaring your moral superiority over people who follow a religion,

 

[Invisibleflash]

As I have said repeatedly here before, this is the one question that dogs those of faith, which is, why does a good God allow evil? But for those not of faith, the questions are even harder, which is, answering pretty much everything else regarding our existence.

This is an interesting response to the question.

Bub, there are no god/s. It is all manmade lies. Google godfinder, humans are predisposed to create god/s...almost 13,000 of them.

 

[TNHarley]

You sound like an arrogant liberal, declaring your moral superiority over people who follow a religion,

We, as a society, are morally superior to the desert savages that created the abrahamic religions.

 

[Lisa558]

We, as a society, are morally superior to the desert savages that created the abrahamic religions.

Uh-huh. IOW, you’re a leftist who holds himself above Jews.

 

[TNHarley]

Uh-huh. IOW, you’re a leftist who holds himself above Jews.

Politics have nothing to do with this. You have been here for 4 years, if you think im a leftist, you are a complete moron.
Its not just jews. I said the abrahamic religions. Can you not read this morning?

 

[Lisa558]

Politics have nothing to do with this. You have been here for 4 years, if you think im a leftist, you are a complete moron.
Its not just jews. I said the abrahamic religions. Can you not read this morning?

The point is the same. You think you are morally superior to people of the Abrahamic religions.

Typical leftist: arrogant as the day is long.

 

[TNHarley]

The point is the same. You think you are morally superior to people of the Abrahamic religions.

Typical leftist: arrogant as the day is long.

We, as a society, are morally superior. We dont kill our children for back talking. We dont stone women for getting raped. We dont enslave others. We dont exterminate entire societies for praying to a statue, or because a few guys want to suck penis.
Thats just facts. Sorry if you cant set aside your sensitivities for reality, but that isnt my problem. Its yours.

 

[Votto]

Especially since we are morally superior to the desert savages that created this nonsense.
Slavery was fine. Having your kids killed for back talking was fine. Stoning women for being raped. Etc.

Morally superior?

Why are you superior?

Are you not just counting votes on what society deems as "good" to determine if you are morally superior?

 

[Votto]

Especially since we are morally superior to the desert savages that created this nonsense.
Slavery was fine. Having your kids killed for back talking was fine. Stoning women for being raped. Etc.

Slavery was fine?

Why then was Moses sent to deliver the Hebrews from slavery?

Why then, under Mosiac law, were slaves to be freed after 7 years of service?

Why then were slaves given a day of rest along with everyone else?

Try again.

As for kids talking back and rape, it reminds me of a time in US history where they would hang you for theft in the 1800's. There was a story just like this I learned about where a teen was caught stealing and hung for it.

Was that barbaric as well?

But today, society allows for theft up to a certain dollar value in some cities like San Fran.

Is this preferable you think?

 

[TNHarley]

Morally superior?

Why are you superior?

Are you not just counting votes on what society deems as "good" to determine if you are morally superior?

We as a society are superior to the ancient abrahamic societies.
This isnt complicated.

 

[Lisa558]

We, as a society, are morally superior. We dont kill our children for back talking. We dont stone women for getting raped. We dont enslave others. We dont exterminate entire societies for praying to a statue, or because a few guys want to suck penis.
Thats just facts. Sorry if you cant set aside your sensitivities for reality, but that isnt my problem. Its yours.

And we Jews don’t do any of that either. Either do Christians.

Now Muslims…..might be a different story.

 

[Votto]

BS!!!

There doesn't need to be any "god" for humans to develop a sense of right and wrong.
It's not a value given down by some imaginary being that there has NEVER been one iota of proof of existence.
Any sentient creature that developes into a society minded being, will start developing processes and rules for that society.
One of which is what is right, and what is wrong, according to that societies average standards for those in that society.

And if that society developes to the extent of electing leaders to manage their society, those leaders will tell the society what is right and what is wrong, dependent on the most good served to the people in that society.

None of it has ANYTHING to do with any "god".



And besides........answering a question with a question is THE most notable scam going, because they don't have any REAL answers for non-believers' questions.

Let me read you a quote from Charles Darwin.

“With savages, the weak in body or mind are soon eliminated; and those that survive commonly exhibit a vigorous state of health. We civilised men, on the other hand, do our utmost to check the process of elimination; we build asylums for the imbecile, the maimed, and the sick; we institute poor-laws; and our medical men exert their utmost skill to save the life of every one to the last moment. There is reason to believe that vaccination has preserved thousands, who from a weak constitution would formerly have succumbed to small-pox. Thus the weak members of civilised societies propagate their kind. No one who has attended to the breeding of domestic animals will doubt that this must be highly injurious to the race of man. It is surprising how soon a want of care, or care wrongly directed, leads to the degeneration of a domestic race; but excepting in the case of man himself, hardly any one is so ignorant as to allow his worst animals to breed.

The aid which we feel impelled to give to the helpless is mainly an incidental result of the instinct of sympathy, which was originally acquired as part of the social instincts, but subsequently rendered, in the manner previously indicated, more tender and more widely diffused. Nor could we check our sympathy, if so urged by hard reason, without deterioration in the noblest part of our nature. The surgeon may harden himself whilst performing an operation, for he knows that he is acting for the good of his patient; but if we were intentionally to neglect the weak and helpless, it could only be for a contingent benefit, with a certain and great present evil. Hence we must bear without complaining the undoubtedly bad effects of the weak surviving and propagating their kind; but there appears to be at least one check in steady action, namely the weaker and inferior members of society not marrying so freely as the sound; and this check might be indefinitely increased, though this is more to be hoped for than expected, by the weak in body or mind refraining from marriage.”
― Charles Darwin, The Descent of Man
tags: artificial-selection, darwinism, eugenics, natural-selection, planned-parenthood, population-control, social-darwinism, sterilisation, sterilization, survival-of-the-fittest

I highlighted the part I would like to talk about.

Firstly, Darwin was a racist and viewed "blacks" as inferior or savages. This was a commonly held scientific view of science at that time. And so, what to do with them regarding the gene pool? Should they be "expunged" from the gene pool so that they will not weaken the gene pool?

He compares it to animals. You force breed traits you desire and refuse to breed animals with traits that you don't desire. With humans, there is no reason you cannot do the same, but is it ethical to do so? In fact, why not just kill them off altogether?

Darwin takes a step back to ponder this and refers to our "noble nature" as to why we should not do this. But what does nobility have to do with anything in science? And what is being noble all about? Is it just a popularity contest on what society deems as "good"? And why is it Ok to do to animals but not people? Are not people just glorified animals?

Hitler, on the other hand, probably read something similar to this and just decided to ignore the unscientific talk about nobility and just breed for success, i.e. the master race that is superior that TN Harley talks about being.

 

[TNHarley]

Slavery was fine?

Why then was Moses sent to deliver the Hebrews from slavery?

Why then, under Mosiac law, were slaves to be freed after 7 years of service?

Why then were slaves given a day of rest along with everyone else?

Try again.

As for kids talking back and rape, it reminds me of a time in US history where they would hang you for theft in the 1800's. There was a story just like this I learned about where a teen was caught stealing and hung for it.

Was that barbaric as well?

But today, society allows for theft up to a certain dollar value in some cities like San Fran.

Is this preferable you think?

You didnt help your cause. At all.
Of course it was barbaric. They also hung girls for being witches. But this isnt the 1800s anymore.
No, thats sheer stupidity.

 

[norwegen]

The evil in the Bible was eliminated. Apostate Judea was eliminated.

The dogs, sorcerors, idolators, and other evil-doers may still exist - obviously not Judea now - but that evil would not enter the gates of the kingdom.

It's in the text.

 

[TNHarley]

And we Jews don’t do any of that either. Either do Christians.

Now Muslims…..might be a different story.

It used to happen. But our morals evolved away from the abrahamic religions.