Zone1 Why does a good God allow evil?

[hadit]

If god knows all, why did he give us free will if he knew what would happen? We had free will for five minutes before eve fucked it all up.
An all knowing god had to flood the entire planet and kill everyone because of evil. So he created us, knew we would fuck up, so he kills everyone. And mass slaughters millions more for the same reason, after the fact. Continuous cycle.
It reminds me of the crazy kid down the road that tortures animals for fun. And then shoots up a school, or becomes a serial killer.

It sounds like your preference would be for God to have never allowed you to live or for you to have been created as a robot, unable to choose.

 

[Votto]

We as a society are superior to the ancient abrahamic societies.
This isnt complicated.

Society was barbaric during that time, no two ways about it as most people were slaves. There was not a lot to work with considering the morality of the society in the world at that time.

But then God injects into this dystopian fallen world with the Exodus to free the Hebrews and the notion of it being unlawful to keep a slave a slave for life and even giving slaves a day of rest.

It was the real fist stance against the commonly held view that slavery was Ok.

In fact, it was a minority who held this view in the world, but according to you, being the minority view does not make it "good" since you must be in the majority for society to find something as "good".

But today, this minority view has overtaken the rest as we all get one day of rest thanks to the said Mosiac law. In fact, we even get two days. Also, most societies have outlawed slavery.

But the irony in all this is, your superior society you gloat about today that has largely outlawed all slavery with the majority agreeing it is bad, now has more slavery in it than at any other time in human history.

There are more slaves now than any time in human history

A report published Tuesday highlighting the scourge of modern-day slavery paints a stark picture. “We now have the largest number of slaves on Earth than we’ve had in human history,&#82…

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But this morally superior society, as you put it, are consumed with slavery in the 1800's instead. Think of it, all these slaves today that society basically ignores as they lament slavery hundreds of years ago, they can do nothing about, and all for political benefit because they don't really care about people, they only care about winning elections by pretending to care about human suffering.

How is that for your supposed morally superior society of today?

 

[dblack]

If god knows all, why did he give us free will if he knew what would happen? We had free will for five minutes before eve fucked it all up.
An all knowing god had to flood the entire planet and kill everyone because of evil. So he created us, knew we would fuck up, so he kills everyone. And mass slaughters millions more for the same reason, after the fact. Continuous cycle.
It reminds me of the crazy kid down the road that tortures animals for fun. And then shoots up a school, or becomes a serial killer.

The whole story is there to persuade us to give up our free will, to cede it to the storyteller.

 

[TNHarley]

It sounds like your preference would be for God to have never allowed you to live or for you to have been created as a robot, unable to choose.

umm ok?

 

[TNHarley]

Society was barbaric during that time, no two ways about it as most people were slaves. There was not a lot to work with considering the morality of the society in the world at that time.

But then God injects into this dystopian fallen world with the Exodus to free the Hebrews and the notion of it being unlawful to keep a slave a slave for life and even giving slaves a day of rest.

It was the real fist stance against the commonly held view that slavery was Ok.

In fact, it was a minority who held this view in the world, but according to you, being the minority view does not make it "good" since you must be in the majority for society to find something as "good".

But today, this minority view has overtaken the rest as we all get one day of rest thanks to the said Mosiac law. In fact, we even get two days. Also, most societies have outlawed slavery.

But the irony in all this is, your superior society you gloat about today that has largely outlawed all slavery with the majority agreeing it is bad, now has more slavery in it than at any other time in human history.

There are more slaves now than any time in human history

A report published Tuesday highlighting the scourge of modern-day slavery paints a stark picture. “We now have the largest number of slaves on Earth than we’ve had in human history,&#82…

www.nydailynews.com

But this morally superior society, as you put it, are consumed with slavery in the 1800's instead. Think of it, all these slaves today that society basically ignores as they lament slavery hundreds of years ago, they can do nothing about, and all for political benefit because they don't really care about people, they only care about winning elections by pretending to care about human suffering.

How is that for your supposed morally superior society?

And slavery is illegal. Its not legal anymore. Hence, moral superiority. There will always be people who break laws. That will never change.
And its funny, most of those slaves are enslaved by muslims, an abrahamic religion. In which slavery is fine under certain conditions.

 

[Votto]

And slavery is illegal. Its not legal anymore. Hence, moral superiority. There will always be people who break laws. That will never change.

Slavery is illegal?

Like illegal immigration?



Laws are only as good as those enforcing them.

Luckily, we have someone now to do it, but once he is gone, then what? Even at that, he has an army of federal judges trying to stop him.

 

[Lisa558]

The whole story is there to persuade us to give up our free will, to cede it to the storyteller.

Judaism teaches there IS free will.

 

[Votto]

And slavery is illegal. Its not legal anymore. Hence, moral superiority. There will always be people who break laws. That will never change.
And its funny, most of those slaves are enslaved by muslims, an abrahamic religion. In which slavery is fine under certain conditions.

Again, what made it superior to outlaw slavery?

Is it just taking a poll to see if you are in the majority?

What makes something good or bad?

 

[ding]

And slavery is illegal. Its not legal anymore. Hence, moral superiority. There will always be people who break laws. That will never change.
And its funny, most of those slaves are enslaved by muslims, an abrahamic religion. In which slavery is fine under certain conditions.

Is it your understanding that the slavery discussed in the Torah is forced slavery or indentured servants? Because I think you might be comparing apples to oranges.

 

[TNHarley]

Again, what made it superior to outlaw slavery?

Is it just taking a poll to see if you are in the majority?

What makes something good or bad?

Majority has nothing to do with morality.
Morality is subjective, but I cant honestly see how anyone in their right mind wouldnt think we are morally superior to those people in the middle east back then.

 

[Votto]

Majority has nothing to do with morality.
Morality is subjective, but I cant honestly see how anyone in their right mind wouldnt think we are morally superior to those people in the middle east back then.

Did they mutilate the genitals of their children like they do today? Nope.


Again, your morally superior society is allowing more slavery than at any time in human history

Maybe we need the morally inferior society to reduce it.

But at least you concede that good and bad don't really exist, so who gives a damn?

 

[1srelluc]

Agnostic here just spit balling.

Could it be that folks are too caught up in the New Testament's kumbaya crap rather than the old?

God was right much of a bad-ass in the Old Testament.

 

[TNHarley]

Is it your understanding that the slavery discussed in the Torah is forced slavery or indentured servants? Because I think you might be comparing apples to oranges.

forced slavery and indentured servants is apples and oranges, yes.

 

[Votto]

Agnostic here just spit balling.

Could it be that folks are too caught up in the New Testament's kumbaya crap rather than the old?

God was right much of a bad-ass in the Old Testament.

God was bad ass in the OT, but look what he was dealing with.

Most don't consider this.

We get a taste of it in Sodom where two men entered the city that the populace followed to gang rape them.

In today's society, George Soros would be there to fund prosecutors and judges to see that the rapes were not prosecuted.

 

[TNHarley]

Did they mutilate the genitals of their children like they do today? Nope.

ummm yes they did. It was a religious rite.

Again, your morally superior society is allowing more slavery than at any time in human history

But they arent trying to regulate it are they? We havent got people saying, "its fine" anymore. Most people have evolved past slavery except for the abrahamic peoples in africa, and the horrible people that are involved in the sex slavery trade.

 

[ding]

forced slavery and indentured servants is apples and oranges, yes.

Which one was the Torah discussing and why do you think it was discussing it in the first place?

 

[TNHarley]

Which one was the Torah discussing and why do you think it was discussing it in the first place?

It discusses both. Because it existed, so they said fuck it. Lets regulate it.

 

[Votto]

ummm yes they did. It was a religious rite.

But they arent trying to regulate it are they? We havent got people saying, "its fine" anymore. Most people have evolved past slavery except for the abrahamic peoples in africa, and the horrible people that are involved in the sex slavery trade.

Ok, so you would call circumcision mutilation?

I would not as there are health benefits to it

You know damn well what I am referring to but refuse to acknowledge it.

 

[Votto]

ummm yes they did. It was a religious rite.

But they arent trying to regulate it are they? We havent got people saying, "its fine" anymore. Most people have evolved past slavery except for the abrahamic peoples in africa, and the horrible people that are involved in the sex slavery trade.

Again, who started the revolt against slavery? Was it not the Mosaic model?

And why does such a morally superior society tolerate more slavery than ever before?

Is worse to better to know something is wrong but ignore it?

Apparently, it is better to be so indifferent.

 

[Votto]

Funny fact, when slavery was legal the majority of society seemed to think it not ideal, but OK. However, decades after slavery was made illegal, the majority consensus is that it is immoral and blatantly absurd, yet they tolerate it more than ever.

The same can be said of abortion. Before Roe the consensus was that it was immoral, but today the consensus is that it is not ideal, but Ok.

It shows two things.

1. Humans are lemmings of the state. The Bible uses the term sheep.

2. Humans are largely indifferent to evil if the state is indifferent to it. Again, they are lemmings of the state.