Why Do You Love The Communists?

[hangover]

^^^^^False propaganda by the greedy who are out to turn America into a banana republic, where the 1%ers own everything, and the rest of us are peasants. Pick a side, share the wealth, or let the greedy have everything.

 

[Skylar]

That question for you Liberals.
Yeah, you do. You accept them the way you'd accept a goofy uncle, y'know.....'a little strange but not a bad guy.'

OK...I understand why you hate, abhor the Nazis.

I know what they did....I see the Nazi villains in the movies....I recognize the references to 'grammar Nazi.' That makes sense.
But the fact that the same visceral hatred is not assigned to communists....the shrug, the sophisticated chuckle/sneer at those persistent anti-communists...
.....is the proof that you have been indoctrinated, brain-washed, manipulated.


Because the communists were far worse, and for far longer.





Yes...I'll prove it to you. First...let's fill in your history lacunae...

1. Remember that communism, Karl Marx, goes back to mid19th century....and took over Russia early in the 20 century. Not long after, it had cells and well organized branches in almost every western nation. From the start, they knew the value of psychological indoctrinations.


2. In the early years after the Bolshevik Revolution, the communists used manipulations, such as the Potemkin Villages, to persuade the world how admirable and successful the revolution had been. One technique was to invite prominent American and British leftists to take carefully planned tours. And these ‘Potemkin Progressives,’ for the most part, behaved and thought just as they were meant to.

a. Lenin, and then Stalin, carefully arranged the tours so that these progressives would then go back to their countries and praise Soviet Russia, so that the citizens would demand that Russia be recognized....'worker's paradise' and all.

H.G. Wells met with Stalin in 1934, and wrote “I’ve never met a man more candid, fair and honest!” and “…everyone trusts him!’ And of Lenin, “…frank, refreshing, and an amazing little man!’

George Bernard Shaw met with Stalin, as well. He returned, and wrote, “ We cannot afford to give ourselves moral airs when our most enterprising neighbors, the Soviet Union, humanely and judiciously liquidates a handful of exploiters and speculators to make the world safe for honest men.” He parroted the exact line that Stalin had given him!

And, of course, John Dewey.
See "Dupes," by Paul Kengor



When he returned from the Soviet Union, Shaw backed up ever lie that Walter Duranty reported. He testified that there was not, and never could be, a food shortage in the USSR.
Paul Hollander, “Political Pilgrims,” p.119


None of this was taught to you in government schools....was it?

Who says that liberals love communists?

 

[hipeter924]

^^^^^False propaganda by the greedy who are out to turn America into a banana republic, where the 1%ers own everything, and the rest of us are peasants. Pick a side, share the wealth, or let the greedy have everything.

 

[hangover]

You don't have a clue about communism. Communism doesn't have an authority government. There has never been a communist government in history.
But think about this....It was your con hero Nixon that got America involved with China.

Oh, just shut up with your nonsense. You are entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts. The facts do not support your opinion.

Communism Overview

Communism is an abstract idea about creating a perfect society. The words “perfect” and “society” should never be used as complements in the same sentence.

Like its cousin socialism, communism is a hope for an imagined political and economic existence outside the bounds of human nature and reality.

When leaders of the Russian Revolution conceived of their communist dream, they imagined a heaven on earth where human needs were eliminated and personal wants were fulfilled. As with every other utopian dream before it, the experiment with communism in the 20th century ended in tyranny, bloodshed and horror.

Communism doesn’t work because it is un-human.

Utah Citizen Network Why don t socialism or communism work

The central tenet of communism is that all private property should be abolished. In a true communist society, no one would own anything. All property and all means of agricultural and industrial production would be collectively owned by society as a whole. Each member of a true communist society would be expected to contribute as able and would be allowed to take what needed.

No More States
Communists theorize that the working people must unite and overthrow the governments in their countries. Most communists believe that the state must continue to exist in order to enforce social and economic equality until true communism is reached. Theoretically, true communism would eliminate the need for the state and ruling class, allowing the working class to decide matters democratically in a manner beneficial to society as a whole.

What Is True Communism The Classroom Synonym

You do know that Socialism is the last step to true communism according to communist theory...right...? The State owns all property just before the state is dissolved...right?


And because it bears repeating.....Thanks PoliticalChic.....


" .... original source archives that have come to light in recent years suggest that, if anything, McCarthy understated the breadth of Soviet infiltration. These include the revelations by the formerKGBChief Oleg Gordievsky, who in conjunction with the Cambridge intelligence expert Christopher Andrew, began exposing the scope of Soviet penetration in 1990, even before the USSR collapsed; the U.S. intelligence community’s Venona decryptions that began becoming public in the mid-1990s and were summarized in breathtaking detail by Herbert Romerstein and Eric Breindel; the investigative work of Jerrold and Leona Schecter, who traced the flow of Venona revelations into the Truman White House, beginning as early as 1945; the former KGB archivist Vasily Mitrokhin, who smuggled his files out of Moscow in 1992 (and who, in conjunction with Christopher Andrew, found astonishing the apathy of American historians regarding theKGB’s influence operations); the groundbreaking scholarship of John Earl Haynes and Harvey Klehr on the history of Communist espionage and the mulish determination of the academy not to notice it; the voluminous evidence of American treason on Moscow’s behalf amassed by Allen Weinstein and Alexander Vassiliev; the files of FBI investigations and congressional hearings on Communist infiltration that have recently been declassified; and so on."
Red herrings by Andrew C. McCarthy - The New Criterion

You obviously need a reading comprehension class. Try re-reading the red lettered sentence in post #122.

Interesting.....seems both sides have decided that you are a mental incompetent.

Perhaps you should be a hostage negotiator.

I've been banned from both left and right forums because I'm an independent. Not drinking the koolaid from either side doesn't make one a mental incompetent, but drinking the koolaid does.

 

[PoliticalChic]

That question for you Liberals.
Yeah, you do. You accept them the way you'd accept a goofy uncle, y'know.....'a little strange but not a bad guy.'

OK...I understand why you hate, abhor the Nazis.

I know what they did....I see the Nazi villains in the movies....I recognize the references to 'grammar Nazi.' That makes sense.
But the fact that the same visceral hatred is not assigned to communists....the shrug, the sophisticated chuckle/sneer at those persistent anti-communists...
.....is the proof that you have been indoctrinated, brain-washed, manipulated.


Because the communists were far worse, and for far longer.





Yes...I'll prove it to you. First...let's fill in your history lacunae...

1. Remember that communism, Karl Marx, goes back to mid19th century....and took over Russia early in the 20 century. Not long after, it had cells and well organized branches in almost every western nation. From the start, they knew the value of psychological indoctrinations.


2. In the early years after the Bolshevik Revolution, the communists used manipulations, such as the Potemkin Villages, to persuade the world how admirable and successful the revolution had been. One technique was to invite prominent American and British leftists to take carefully planned tours. And these ‘Potemkin Progressives,’ for the most part, behaved and thought just as they were meant to.

a. Lenin, and then Stalin, carefully arranged the tours so that these progressives would then go back to their countries and praise Soviet Russia, so that the citizens would demand that Russia be recognized....'worker's paradise' and all.

H.G. Wells met with Stalin in 1934, and wrote “I’ve never met a man more candid, fair and honest!” and “…everyone trusts him!’ And of Lenin, “…frank, refreshing, and an amazing little man!’

George Bernard Shaw met with Stalin, as well. He returned, and wrote, “ We cannot afford to give ourselves moral airs when our most enterprising neighbors, the Soviet Union, humanely and judiciously liquidates a handful of exploiters and speculators to make the world safe for honest men.” He parroted the exact line that Stalin had given him!

And, of course, John Dewey.
See "Dupes," by Paul Kengor



When he returned from the Soviet Union, Shaw backed up ever lie that Walter Duranty reported. He testified that there was not, and never could be, a food shortage in the USSR.
Paul Hollander, “Political Pilgrims,” p.119


None of this was taught to you in government schools....was it?

Who says that liberals love communists?

You mean the Liberals ARE communists!

OK.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Oh, just shut up with your nonsense. You are entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts. The facts do not support your opinion.

Communism Overview

Communism is an abstract idea about creating a perfect society. The words “perfect” and “society” should never be used as complements in the same sentence.

Like its cousin socialism, communism is a hope for an imagined political and economic existence outside the bounds of human nature and reality.

When leaders of the Russian Revolution conceived of their communist dream, they imagined a heaven on earth where human needs were eliminated and personal wants were fulfilled. As with every other utopian dream before it, the experiment with communism in the 20th century ended in tyranny, bloodshed and horror.

Communism doesn’t work because it is un-human.

Utah Citizen Network Why don t socialism or communism work

The central tenet of communism is that all private property should be abolished. In a true communist society, no one would own anything. All property and all means of agricultural and industrial production would be collectively owned by society as a whole. Each member of a true communist society would be expected to contribute as able and would be allowed to take what needed.

No More States
Communists theorize that the working people must unite and overthrow the governments in their countries. Most communists believe that the state must continue to exist in order to enforce social and economic equality until true communism is reached. Theoretically, true communism would eliminate the need for the state and ruling class, allowing the working class to decide matters democratically in a manner beneficial to society as a whole.

What Is True Communism The Classroom Synonym

You do know that Socialism is the last step to true communism according to communist theory...right...? The State owns all property just before the state is dissolved...right?


And because it bears repeating.....Thanks PoliticalChic.....


" .... original source archives that have come to light in recent years suggest that, if anything, McCarthy understated the breadth of Soviet infiltration. These include the revelations by the formerKGBChief Oleg Gordievsky, who in conjunction with the Cambridge intelligence expert Christopher Andrew, began exposing the scope of Soviet penetration in 1990, even before the USSR collapsed; the U.S. intelligence community’s Venona decryptions that began becoming public in the mid-1990s and were summarized in breathtaking detail by Herbert Romerstein and Eric Breindel; the investigative work of Jerrold and Leona Schecter, who traced the flow of Venona revelations into the Truman White House, beginning as early as 1945; the former KGB archivist Vasily Mitrokhin, who smuggled his files out of Moscow in 1992 (and who, in conjunction with Christopher Andrew, found astonishing the apathy of American historians regarding theKGB’s influence operations); the groundbreaking scholarship of John Earl Haynes and Harvey Klehr on the history of Communist espionage and the mulish determination of the academy not to notice it; the voluminous evidence of American treason on Moscow’s behalf amassed by Allen Weinstein and Alexander Vassiliev; the files of FBI investigations and congressional hearings on Communist infiltration that have recently been declassified; and so on."
Red herrings by Andrew C. McCarthy - The New Criterion

You obviously need a reading comprehension class. Try re-reading the red lettered sentence in post #122.

Interesting.....seems both sides have decided that you are a mental incompetent.

Perhaps you should be a hostage negotiator.

I've been banned from both left and right forums because I'm an independent. Not drinking the koolaid from either side doesn't make one a mental incompetent, but drinking the koolaid does.

Pssst.....you're an imbecile.

 

[hipeter924]

Oh, just shut up with your nonsense. You are entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts. The facts do not support your opinion.

Communism Overview

Communism is an abstract idea about creating a perfect society. The words “perfect” and “society” should never be used as complements in the same sentence.

Like its cousin socialism, communism is a hope for an imagined political and economic existence outside the bounds of human nature and reality.

When leaders of the Russian Revolution conceived of their communist dream, they imagined a heaven on earth where human needs were eliminated and personal wants were fulfilled. As with every other utopian dream before it, the experiment with communism in the 20th century ended in tyranny, bloodshed and horror.

Communism doesn’t work because it is un-human.

Utah Citizen Network Why don t socialism or communism work

The central tenet of communism is that all private property should be abolished. In a true communist society, no one would own anything. All property and all means of agricultural and industrial production would be collectively owned by society as a whole. Each member of a true communist society would be expected to contribute as able and would be allowed to take what needed.

No More States
Communists theorize that the working people must unite and overthrow the governments in their countries. Most communists believe that the state must continue to exist in order to enforce social and economic equality until true communism is reached. Theoretically, true communism would eliminate the need for the state and ruling class, allowing the working class to decide matters democratically in a manner beneficial to society as a whole.

What Is True Communism The Classroom Synonym

You do know that Socialism is the last step to true communism according to communist theory...right...? The State owns all property just before the state is dissolved...right?


And because it bears repeating.....Thanks PoliticalChic.....


" .... original source archives that have come to light in recent years suggest that, if anything, McCarthy understated the breadth of Soviet infiltration. These include the revelations by the formerKGBChief Oleg Gordievsky, who in conjunction with the Cambridge intelligence expert Christopher Andrew, began exposing the scope of Soviet penetration in 1990, even before the USSR collapsed; the U.S. intelligence community’s Venona decryptions that began becoming public in the mid-1990s and were summarized in breathtaking detail by Herbert Romerstein and Eric Breindel; the investigative work of Jerrold and Leona Schecter, who traced the flow of Venona revelations into the Truman White House, beginning as early as 1945; the former KGB archivist Vasily Mitrokhin, who smuggled his files out of Moscow in 1992 (and who, in conjunction with Christopher Andrew, found astonishing the apathy of American historians regarding theKGB’s influence operations); the groundbreaking scholarship of John Earl Haynes and Harvey Klehr on the history of Communist espionage and the mulish determination of the academy not to notice it; the voluminous evidence of American treason on Moscow’s behalf amassed by Allen Weinstein and Alexander Vassiliev; the files of FBI investigations and congressional hearings on Communist infiltration that have recently been declassified; and so on."
Red herrings by Andrew C. McCarthy - The New Criterion

You obviously need a reading comprehension class. Try re-reading the red lettered sentence in post #122.

Interesting.....seems both sides have decided that you are a mental incompetent.

Perhaps you should be a hostage negotiator.

I've been banned from both left and right forums because I'm an independent. Not drinking the koolaid from either side doesn't make one a mental incompetent, but drinking the koolaid does.

If you haven't been banned/kicked/run off a forum once, then you just aren't being honest enough. Though I leave other people to find out the worst forums on the internet, and lose themselves in them. I was run off a forum after two days of registration for quoting OECD figures (as they didn't like being told America isn't no1), and on an atheist one for supporting same-sex marriage, and another I can't remember what for (but whatever it was it was funny).

 

[hipeter924]

That question for you Liberals.
Yeah, you do. You accept them the way you'd accept a goofy uncle, y'know.....'a little strange but not a bad guy.'

OK...I understand why you hate, abhor the Nazis.

I know what they did....I see the Nazi villains in the movies....I recognize the references to 'grammar Nazi.' That makes sense.
But the fact that the same visceral hatred is not assigned to communists....the shrug, the sophisticated chuckle/sneer at those persistent anti-communists...
.....is the proof that you have been indoctrinated, brain-washed, manipulated.


Because the communists were far worse, and for far longer.





Yes...I'll prove it to you. First...let's fill in your history lacunae...

1. Remember that communism, Karl Marx, goes back to mid19th century....and took over Russia early in the 20 century. Not long after, it had cells and well organized branches in almost every western nation. From the start, they knew the value of psychological indoctrinations.


2. In the early years after the Bolshevik Revolution, the communists used manipulations, such as the Potemkin Villages, to persuade the world how admirable and successful the revolution had been. One technique was to invite prominent American and British leftists to take carefully planned tours. And these ‘Potemkin Progressives,’ for the most part, behaved and thought just as they were meant to.

a. Lenin, and then Stalin, carefully arranged the tours so that these progressives would then go back to their countries and praise Soviet Russia, so that the citizens would demand that Russia be recognized....'worker's paradise' and all.

H.G. Wells met with Stalin in 1934, and wrote “I’ve never met a man more candid, fair and honest!” and “…everyone trusts him!’ And of Lenin, “…frank, refreshing, and an amazing little man!’

George Bernard Shaw met with Stalin, as well. He returned, and wrote, “ We cannot afford to give ourselves moral airs when our most enterprising neighbors, the Soviet Union, humanely and judiciously liquidates a handful of exploiters and speculators to make the world safe for honest men.” He parroted the exact line that Stalin had given him!

And, of course, John Dewey.
See "Dupes," by Paul Kengor



When he returned from the Soviet Union, Shaw backed up ever lie that Walter Duranty reported. He testified that there was not, and never could be, a food shortage in the USSR.
Paul Hollander, “Political Pilgrims,” p.119


None of this was taught to you in government schools....was it?

Who says that liberals love communists?

You mean the Liberals ARE communists!

OK.

 

[Pete7469]

^^^^^False propaganda by the greedy who are out to turn America into a banana republic, where the 1%ers own everything, and the rest of us are peasants. Pick a side, share the wealth, or let the greedy have everything.

^^^^^ Delusional ravings of a bed wetter devoted to the politics of hate and envy.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Jesus loves the communists. Why don't you?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Jesus loves PC, so anything is possible.

 

[Pete7469]

Jesus loves the communists. Why don't you?

 

[JakeStarkey]

The stupid shit is a loaded false OP.

 

[Deleted member 53821]

Didn't GWB look lovingly into Putin's eyes and saw his soul?

For some reason, I think you wish that was you

 

[Deleted member 53821]

Because I am one...wait...I can't let people know this.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Jesus loves the communists. Why don't you?

OK....we'll stipulate that you are really stupid.

But what an excellent opportunity you provide......



5. In America, the method was control of the schools, media, and all dissemination of information. One can see at a glance how well it has worked on the dolts who posted the 'is not, is not' posts in this thread.


But for those in Russia...who they could get their hands on....they used different, more direct methods.



Stalin once asked a meeting of interrogators, "How much does the Soviet Union weigh?" Of course, he was reminding them to use the full weight of the state to break suspects. Static Age Stalin the Terrible


And they did.


The Cheka secret police came, mostly at night....the arrests lasted, usually about three months. "The tortures described by Solzhenitsyn are unendurable. ... Solzhenitsyn’s description of ‘the swan-dive’:

A long piece of rough towelling was inserted between the prisoner’s jaws like a bridle; the ends were then pulled back over his shoulders and tied to his heels. Just try lying on your stomach like a wheel, with your spine breaking – and without water and food for two days…


Another method was to confine the prisoner in a dark wooden closet where
hundreds, maybe even thousands, of bedbugs had been allowed to multiply. The guards removed the prisoner’s jacket or field shirt, and immediately the hungry bedbugs assaulted him, crawling onto him from the walls or falling off the ceiling. At first he waged war with them strenuously, crushing them on his body and on the walls, suffocated by their stink. But after several hours he weakened and let them drink his blood without a murmur.


Beatings – of a kind that leave no marks. They use rubber truncheons and wooden mallets and small sandbags. They beat Brigade Commander Karpunich-Braven for twenty-one days in a row. And today he says: ‘Even after thirty years all my bones ache – and my head too.’


Starvation....


And all this was superimposed on a regimen of unimaginable overcrowding (‘crammed into GPU cells in numbers no one had considered possible up to then’) [Conquest notes the case of an eight-man cell at Zhitomir prison containing 160 inmates. ‘Five or six died every day,’ wrote a survivor. The bodies ‘continued to stand up because there was no room to fall down’. It was known as ‘cell torture’.]


The overall process was known as ‘the Conveyor’, because the enemy, who never slept either, came at you in relays for as long as it took. Once in a blue moon we read about people (were they human?) who withstood the attrition and refused to confess, which was nearly always fatal. The confession was in any case merely part of a more or less inevitable process.

When it was their turn to be purged, former interrogators (and all other Chekists) immediately called with a flourish for the pen and the dotted line." Martin Amis, "Koba The Dread," p.59-62




So....no, Jesus didn't love either the Nazis nor the communists....
But you hate the Nazis and love the communists.....

Are you ready to question why?

 

[Wry Catcher]

First define the terms. Start here:

Left right politics - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

USA Modern History Glossary.

Political Science Glossary.

Then, when reading a thread/post evaluate their argument. If the first sentence attacks someone's intelligence, stop reading. Such a topic sentence is the work of a partisan hack who will never take the post of anyone who disagrees with her seriously.

 

[PoliticalChic]

First define the terms. Start here:

Left right politics - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

USA Modern History Glossary.

Political Science Glossary.

Then, when reading a thread/post evaluate their argument. If the first sentence attacks someone's intelligence, stop reading. Such a topic sentence is the work of a partisan hack who will never take the post of anyone who disagrees with her seriously.

"If the first sentence attacks someone's intelligence, stop reading."

I can certainly understand your deep sensitivity on this point.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Your examples are so old, they're completely meaningless. How about something a bit more recent?

I see your point.....so much you didn't know, how could you possibly catch up?

That's why I'm here....to save the day!


Stay with it, and take notes:


Throughout the mid-20th century, communist proselytizers were everywhere.

Q: What's the difference between a Communist car and a Communist proselytizer?

A: You can close the door on a Communist proselytizer.



3. Not everyone was fooled.
English journalist Malcolm Muggeridge took the tour in the early 30’s, and wrote about how gullible these Potemkin Progressives were. “The spectacle of them traveling, with radiant optimism through a famished countryside, wandering in happy bands about squalid overcrowded Soviet towns, listening with unshakable faith to the fatuous patter of carefully trained and indoctrinated guides, repeating like schoolchildren a multiplication table, the bogus statistics and mindless slogans endlessly intoned to them --all, all chanting the praises of Stalin and his Dictatorship of the Proletariat. It was as though a vegetarian society had come out with a passionate plea for cannibalism, or Hitler had been nominated posthumously for the Nobel Peace Prize." Malcolm Muggeridge Quotes Author of Something Beautiful for God


a. Muggeridge was mystified by the naïveté of these progressives, the unbelievable credulity of these mostly university-educated ‘tourists’- and it astonished even the Soviet officials! “These fellow passengers provide my first experience of the progressive elites from all over the world, who attached themselves to the Soviet regime, resolved to believe anything they were told!

b. Yuri Bezmenov, Soviet journalist, recounted, no matter how outrageous the line of Soviet propaganda they fed them, they swallowed it!

c. John Dewey was one such Potemkin Progressive. And this man is the greatest single influence on American schoolchildren; his books have been used to train generations of teachers.


d. In 1932, journalist Gareth Jones had exposed Stalin's Terror Famine:
"In the train a Communist denied to me that there was a famine. I flung a crust of bread which I had been eating from my own supply into a spittoon. A peasant fellow-passenger fished it out and ravenously ate it."
Gareth Jones journalist - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia




And you, who shrug about communists....or buy the lie that Nazis were right-wing,....you think you're any different from the other dupes?


Look who you voted for.

The Communist Party in America currently has about 2000 members. Why don't you go argue with them?

Did you add the Liberals, Progressives, and Democrats?

Why not?

It's simply a distinction without a difference.

 

[PoliticalChic]

PC is simply getting worked up (again) about the commies and trying to say our liberals are card carrying dupes.

In today's thread, the usual suspects- liars and/or committed Liberals/Democrats have made their attempts to deny and shield the current dominant political party from the charge that it...and they....love communism, and the descendants of Marx, Lenin, and Stalin.

It cannot go without notice that they have been unable to show where any of the documented, linked, supported posts are wrong.

It is the truth that today's American government is based on the precepts of Stalin's Russia.

They have been totally co-opted...based largely on a refusal to think or learn.

 

[JakeStarkey]

PC, your loaded question fallacy has exploded all over you.

One, "It is the truth that today's American government is based on the precepts of Stalin's Russia."

Two, but if it were true, apply your criticism to every democratic republic in the world, and tell us what you discover.