Why Do Trump Supporters Have Such A Hard Time Admitting He's A Convicted Felon?

[Toddsterpatriot]

Promoting a campaign is illegal if it's done unlawfully, which they did by having Cohen make an illegal campaign contribution.

Cohen didn't donate to the campaign.
Promoting a campaign isn't illegal.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Glad you agree.

Exactly. You didn't see a weapon, you can't say it was armed robbery.

 

[Southern Dad]

Do you want a civil war?

I believe that a red-blue civil war would not go well for Team Blue. As a matter of fact, they’d be in really, really bad shape very fast.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

He didn't lie about his conviction for federal campaign fraud. That is in the record.

The conspiracy was also confirmed by David Pecker, the media side of the "catch-n-kill" scheme that confirmed Cohen's testimony.

There were others that confirmed Cohen's testimony along with texts, emails, phone records, bank documents, incorporation documents, etc. Simply put there was a paper trail.

WW

The conspiracy was also confirmed by David Pecker, the media side of the "catch-n-kill" scheme that confirmed Cohen's testimony.

Paying to kill a story isn't illegal.

 

[Southern Dad]

Okay dumbshit... when was he sentenced and what was his sentence... two simple little but important questions....
Was he sentenced to jail time?... or a fine?... or probation... NO...

He was never sentenced because the case was dismissed by this guy...

Judge Engoron....

I’m sorry that you keep showing the forum your ignorance with post after post showing you do not understand what a felony conviction is. It’s downright embarrassing, truthfully. You are ignorant but refuse to do any research. Trump was convicted and he was sentenced. He is appealing. There is no requirement that a sentence carry jail time, a fine, or even probation.

You are an example of what the author of this thread was talking about. You refuse to admit the truth.

 

[Southern Dad]

#1 He was sentenced in his criminal case on January 10th, 2025. The conviction by the the jury was formally entered into the record and the sentence was "unconditional discharge" meaning the conviction remained, but no fine or prison time was awarded because Mr. Trump was about to be sworn in as President.

#2 His criminal case judge was Judge Merchan, not Judge Engoron. Judge Engoron was the presiding judge in the New York state civil case. Judge Kaplan (no relation to the E. Jean Carrol lawyer) presided over the E. Jean Carroll civil cases.

It helps to know basic facts.

WW

It doesn’t matter how many times it is laid out for some posters. There are some that will choose to believe what they will choose to believe.

 

[Southern Dad]

But Trump didn't get a majority of the voters to vote for him. Most voted for someone other than him.

Who cares? We do not have a national popular vote election. Therefore Trump didn’t run a campaign to get a majority of the voters to vote for him. He ran a campaign to win the presidency. Do you understand how our presidential elections work? You can post that a thousand times. Trump is the President, and your DEI pick lost and wrote a book blaming everyone but her.

 

[Southern Dad]

Presidential elections add up states and Trump got the majority of states.

What if I told you that we actually had one election where the guy who got the most popular votes, carried the most states, and even got the most electoral votes, did not win the presidency.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

keeping the Daniels story out of the headlines just days before the election.

That's not illegal.

 

[Southern Dad]

She's Canadian.

Well, that explains why she wouldn’t understand how our elections in this country works. Just ignorantly posting. Got it.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Cohen's conviction of Federal Camapign Fraud that Trump was trying to hide by laundering money through his business entity.

WW

Money laundering is the illegal process of taking funds generated by criminal activities—such as drug trafficking, fraud, or extortion—and passing them through legitimate financial systems. The goal is to disguise the illicit origin, source, or ownership of the money so that it appears to have come from a legal source.

The money paid to Cohen wasn't from an illegal source.

 

[Southern Dad]

The trial judge told the jury that they didn't need to be unanimous in finding Trump guilty of any of these. He told them they each had find gim guilty of one of them in order to achieve conviction. That's where the judge ran afoul of the Constitution.

Which one did they find Trump guilty by unanimous decision? The trial judge's jury instruction:

"Although you must conclude unanimously that the defendant conspired to promote or prevent the election of any person to a public office by unlawful means, you need not be unanimous as to what those unlawful means were. In determining whether the defendant conspired to promote or prevent the election of any person to public office by unlawful means you may consider the following: (1) violations of the Federal Election Campaign Act otherwise known as FECA; (2) the falsification of other business records; or (3) violation of tax laws."

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"you need not be unanimous"


The jurors were specifically told by the judge that they didn't need to agree unanimously on the unlawful means. Without unanimity none of those 3 claims were proven in court. That's a violation of the 5th and 6th amendments. Therefore, they don't exist for charging and sentencing purposes. The charge reverts back to misdemeanor. That misdemeanor had run its statute of limitations, though. That dismisses the case entirely.

Yes, those are reasons for appeal which the Trump team has filed. That doesn’t change the fact that at this time Trump is indeed a convicted felon.

 

[Southern Dad]

34X convicted felon.

And TWICE elected President of the United States of America.

 

[Southern Dad]

So how much time was Trump sentenced for?

None. There is no requirement that a person convicted of a Class E felony in New York be sentenced to any time, any probation, or any fines.

 

[Southern Dad]

The Judge dismissed the case dummy... or else Trump would have faced jail or a fine... probation or something...
You can't be convicted of a felony on a dismissed case... so unless the case gets filed again Trump is not a felon....

Every time you post, you show the forum that the author of this thread is right. You are flat out an embarrassment to those of us who also voted for Trump.

 

[Correll]

I believe that a red-blue civil war would not go well for Team Blue. As a matter of fact, they’d be in really, really bad shape very fast.

Agreed.

 

[jc456]

You asked for a federal charge. I gave that to you.

That’s not a crime

 

[BackAgain]

State attorney's can't use federal law as the basis of charges.

Trump was charged under New York State Law for felonious falsification of business records.

The federal campaign fraud charges (and conviction) were against Cohen.

WW

While a local prosecutor can’t prosecute anyone on federal crimes, Bragg did make use of alleged federal offenses in trying to elevate the misdemeanor charges into felony charges.

 

[dblack]

 

[Political-Junkie]

The jury was told they didn't have to be unanimous by the judge. That's pretty novel and brazen legal theory I might say. Think Brother Clarence, Brother Samuel, Brother Brett, Brother Neil, Sister Amy, and Brother John will buy it as being Constitutional?

They were told they didn't have to be unanimous on the underlying crime. They only had to be unanimous in that a crime was committed, aided or concealed.