Why Do Trump Supporters Have Such A Hard Time Admitting He's A Convicted Felon?

[dudmuck]

The Federal Elections Comission and the Department if Justice dropped the investigation into Trump. There was no violation of election law on his behalf. It does not matter what anonymous reference some other case was making to individuals who weren't charged.

Dummy

The FEC didn't absolve Trump of that crime, its just the FEC board decided not to proceed, with strong desent.

 

[WorldWatcher]

The Federal Elections Comission and the Department if Justice dropped the investigation into Trump. There was no violation of election law on his behalf.

This is factually false.

Cohen was charged and convicted in Federal court for felony campaign finance fraud on Trump's behalf. He spent 3 years in prison for his various crimes, one of which was is campaign finance conviction.

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[Mick2]

This is factually false.

Cohen was charged and convicted in Federal court for felony campaign finance fraud on Trump's behalf. He spent 3 years in prison for his various crimes, one of which was is campaign finance conviction.

"Factually false".

Guy, why do say stuff like this and humiliate yourself? Cohen's personal legal problems have nothing to do with it. He was the only one plead to wrongdoing. No one else was ever charged with wrongdoing with him.

The FEC dropped the actual investigation into Donald Trump and his campaign in 2021. No punishment:

https://www.congress.gov/118/meeting/house/117426/documents/HHRG-118-JU00-20240613-SD014-U14.pdf

You are trying to look stupid here?

 

[Mick2]

The FEC didn't absolve Trump of that crime, its just the FEC board decided not to proceed, with strong desent.

Dumbcuck, I never used the word "absolve". You just did. The FEC doesn't absolve. They either punish or drop cases. They dropped this case. No crime.

 

[WorldWatcher]

"Factually false".

Guy, why do say stuff like this and humiliate yourself? Cohen's personal legal problems have nothing to do with it. He was the only one plead to wrongdoing. No one else was ever charged with wrongdoing with him.

The FEC dropped the actual investigation into Donald Trump and his campaign in 2021. No punishment:

https://www.congress.gov/118/meeting/house/117426/documents/HHRG-118-JU00-20240613-SD014-U14.pdf

You are trying to look stupid here?

Cohen's crimes where what Trump was attempting to hide when the money to pay Cohen was laudnered through his business.

How do you lie and say "Cohen's legal p;roblems have nothing to do with it."

Cohen was convicted of felony campaign finance fraud for his actions in support of the Trump campaign.

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[Mick2]

A guilty person drags it out and an innocent person seeks restoration of their reputation.

NY state court is dragging it out, dummy. Trump would appeal it out of NY tomorrow and federal court if he could. State courts must rule first. Those courts are slow to issue.

Posting absurdly false stuff and then trying to move goalposts into other knowingly false stuff isn't going to save you from humiliation. It makes it worse for you.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Dumbcuck, I never used the word "absolve". You just did. The FEC doesn't absolve. They either punish or drop cases. They dropped this case. No crime.

#1 DOJ prosecutes cases not that FEC. The FEC has no law enforcement powers beyond fining campaigns. Cohen was prosecuted by the DOJ. He was convicted - so ya, there was a crime.

#2 Trump was not charged with Federal Camapign Violations, he was charged with felonious falsification of business records. The FEC has no jurisdiction over state law. And yes, Trump was convicted of his money laundering scheme.

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[WEATHER53]

We are talking about the New York State appellate system, not the federal. Trump has nothing to do with the funding of their justice system.

Yeah but it sounds so damning when they lie about it

 

[WEATHER53]

Prosecutors from the Southern District of New York and the U.S. Attorney's office identified Trump as "Individual-1" in documents regarding hush-money payments made to Stormy Daniels and Karen McDougal during the 2016 election. Cohen stated in court that he facilitated these payments at the direction of Individual-1 and for his benefit.

All of which is legal

 

[dudmuck]

Dumbcuck, I never used the word "absolve". You just did. The FEC doesn't absolve. They either punish or drop cases. They dropped this case. No crime.

only absolving means no crime. Dropping the case does not mean absolving.

 

[WorldWatcher]

All of which is legal

No it wasn't.

The NDA is legal.

They way they paid the NDA was illegal.

• Cohen paid his personal money as a loan to the campaign, illegal as the loan exceeded personal contribution limits. (Felony Campaign Finance Fraud under Federal law.)
• Trump laundered the money to pay Cohen back through his business with the intent to hide Cohen's criminal activity. (Felony Falsification of Business Records under New York State law.)

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[Mick2]

only absolving means no crime. Dg.

That's not how it is considered under the law. Without conviction or guilty plea one cannot be considered guilty of a crime in our legal system. Trump wasn't even charged. The case was subsequently dropped. No crime.

Sucks for you because you are one dumbcuck.

 

[Mick2]

They way they paid the NDA was illegal.

The FEC doesn't agree with the statement. They are the federal body that enforces federal election law. Their word, not yours, is the final authority on the matter.

 

[WorldWatcher]

The FEC doesn't agree with the statement. They are the federal body that enforces federal election law. Their word, not yours, is the final authority on the matter.

The FEC has no jurisdiction concerning state business law.

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[Mick2]

The FEC has no jurisdiction concerning state business law.

As long as the state had kept it at long-expired misdemeanors that is correct. Once the state said Trump had broken federal election law in an attempt to upgrade routine expired misdemeanor into an unexpired felony then the FEC's opinion is the authority on whether that upgrade could happe was the authority opinion. Former FEC chair was going to testify. Merchan illegally blocked it.

Trump did not break federal election law (the crime the state says happened that Trump was covering up) that invoked the statute up to a felony. The appellate process is giong to end ugly for you. Just like it did to Virginia Dems who tried to illegally gerrymander their state. Just like the Colorado ballot. Just like Letitcia James $500 million fraud fine. Just like Fani Willis. Just like Jack Smith. The appeals are vicious, brutual eviscerations of left-wing lies, corruption, and lawfare.

 

[dudmuck]

That's not how it is considered under the law. Without conviction or guilty plea one cannot be considered guilty of a crime in our legal system. Trump wasn't even charged. The case was subsequently dropped. No crime.

Sucks for you because you are one dumbcuck.

The legal distinction is that a crime is an act that violates the law, while a conviction is the official judicial finding of guilt. A person can commit an illegal act but still avoid a conviction due to technicalities, lack of evidence, or plea deals (like deferred adjudication or diversion programs) where the charges are ultimately dismissed.

 

[WorldWatcher]

As long as the state had kept it at long-expired misdemeanors that is correct. Once the state said Trump had broken federal election law in an attempt to upgrade routine expired misdemeanor into an unexpired felony then the FEC's opinion is the authority on whether that upgrade could happe was the authority opinion. Former FEC chair was going to testify. Merchan illegally blocked it.

Trump did not break federal election law (the crime the state says happened that Trump was covering up) that invoked the statute up to a felony. The appellate process is giong to end ugly for you. Just like it did to Virginia Dems who tried to illegally gerrymander their state. Just like the Colorado ballot. Just like Letitcia James $500 million fraud fine. Just like Fani Willis. Just like Jack Smith. The appeals are vicious, brutual eviscerations of left-wing lies, corruption, and lawfare.

THe state didn’t charge Trump with federal campaign law.

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[Toddsterpatriot]

It does appear to have dropped when Trump's war started; from 410,351 to 381,515, Jan and Feb. I'm curious what March through May will look like.

It does appear to have dropped when Trump's war started; from 410,351 to 381,515, Jan and Feb.

What was the average daily production for Jan and Feb?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The jury was unanimous concerning the question before them. To paraphrase: "Did Trump committed felonious falsification of business records to aid in or hide a crime?". The answer was yes. The jury is NOT required to be unanimous as to the crime that Trump was hiding, but it was obvious to any reasonable person that Trump was hiding Cohen's crime.

The judge was very clear in his instructions. While anything can happen on appeal, I doubt Judge Merchan's instructions being deemed unconstitutional has a very slim chance of succeeding.

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The jury is NOT required to be unanimous as to the crime that Trump was hiding,

Why not?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

No it wasn't.

The NDA is legal.

They way they paid the NDA was illegal.

• Cohen paid his personal money as a loan to the campaign, illegal as the loan exceeded personal contribution limits. (Felony Campaign Finance Fraud under Federal law.)
• Trump laundered the money to pay Cohen back through his business with the intent to hide Cohen's criminal activity. (Felony Falsification of Business Records under New York State law.)

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Cohen paid his personal money as a loan to the campaign,

He didn't loan the campaign any money.

Trump laundered the money to pay Cohen back through his business

Trump hid the source of the money he paid to Cohen?