Why Do Trump Supporters Have Such A Hard Time Admitting He's A Convicted Felon?

[Robert W]

True. Trump’s crime was falsification of business records.

Cohen said he was guilty. Trump has not made such a claim about himself.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

True. Trump’s crime was falsification of business records.

Exactly. A misdemeanor with a 1-year statute of limitations.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

True. But it does make it a campaign expenditure.

It doesn't. Campaign donations were not used.

 

[Winco]

You just can't name the lie. LOL. You tap out too easily after looking stupid, stupid.

You know what is really stupid.
You having the balls to say that trump doesn't lie.
Well, which lie you ask.

Listen to any rambling, and you hear the lies.
It's daily dude.
Do you really need a list?

 

[Marener]

Cohen said he was guilty. Trump has not made such a claim about himself.

Not a problem. That’s what the jury is for.

 

[Marener]

It doesn't. Campaign donations were not used.

All campaign expenditures come from campaign donations.

By definition.

 

[Marener]

Exactly. A misdemeanor with a 1-year statute of limitations.

It’s a felony when it’s done in furtherance of another crime, which doesn’t have to be Trump’s crime.

 

[Robert W]

Not a problem. That’s what the jury is for.

What was the Trump jury decision you mention?

 

[Marener]

What was the Trump jury decision you mention?

I guess you’re not really very knowledgeable.

https://www.npr.org/2024/05/30/nx-s1-4977352/trump-trial-verdict

 

[Delldude]

There was an FEC violation.

That's what Bragg's team claimed Trump was guilty of.

 

[Robert W]

All campaign expenditures come from campaign donations.

By definition.

Why did you make that false claim? She was not paid to handle a campaign.

Cohens problem for him is different than Trumps is.

 

[konradv]

You just can't name a single one.

I don’t play silly MAGA games. Don’t pretend like you don’t know exactly what I mean.

 

[Marener]

That's what Bragg's team claimed Trump was guilty of.

They didn’t have to. The FEC violation is a factual matter. Not a claim.

 

[Marener]

Why did you make that false claim? She was not paid to handle a campaign.

Cohens problem for him is different than Trumps is.

It’s not a false claim. You just don’t understand the definition of a campaign expenditure.

 

[Delldude]

They didn’t have to. The FEC violation is a factual matter. Not a claim.

The same factual matter that DOJ wasn't interested in prosecuting?

The same factual matter that wasn't a campaign or FEC violation?

 

[Mick2]

Techically only partially true. To paraphrase Paul Harvey... There is more to the story.

#1
Under federal campaign finance law individuals are limited to the amount of cash and (what are called) in-kind contributions to a campaign exceeding these limits is why Cohen was charged and convicted of Federal campaign finance fraud. However, a candidate can contriubute UNLIMITED funds and contributions to their own campaign, the catch is that is has to be reported to the FEC and such records are available to the public.

#2
Testimony in court was that Trump wanted to stiff Daniels (pun intended). To delay payment until after the votes had been cast at which point he could withhold payment and the story could come out as the election was over. That shows the payments were about the condition of the campaign and not for preventing the story coming out as Trump was fine with it coming out later.

#3
As the bumper sticker pionts out, paying for an NDA is not illegal. However no one was ever charged with obtaining an NDA. The charges stemmed from (a) the method of payment by Cohen fronting the money (which was illegal), and (B) Trump money laundering the money through his business to hide Cohen's crimes. The later payments were spread out and "invoiced" for a retainer that didn't exist (Cohen didn't work for Trump by this time) and for services not preformed during the period of the invoice. Breaking the payments over a year was specifically to hide the payments instead of making a one-time lump sum payment.

#4
So Trump COULD have done this all legally, but choose not to, instead using illegal methods to make the NDA payment (Cohen's actions) and to hide Cohen's crime by falsifying records. How could Trump have done it leally?

• Choen negotiates the deal with Daniels and her lawyer,
• Trump withdraws the required amount from his personal accounts,
• Trump provide Cohen with the legal instrument of payment (certified check, electronic transfer, etc.),
• The deal is closed, Trump pays and both parties sign the NDA,
• Trump then reports the contribution to his campaign to the FEC.

So a candidate can make unlimited cash and in-kind contributions to their own campaign. Trump gives Cohen the payment instrument. Meaning Cohen would not have had to front the campaign the illegal loan. Cohen would not have been convicted of Federal campaign fraud. Daniels would have been paid off and kept her mouth shut. But the payment would have been public record.

Now remember the timing. This was just before the election. The final FEC filing had ALREADY been made and was in the public record. At this point Trumps filing of the cash support to his campaign would have had to be reported until AFTER the election. And since testimony in court was Trump was fine if the story came out later, he would have achived his goal.

Under Scenerio #4 there was no crime. Cohen didn't commit campaign fraud, Trump wouldn't have been convicted of falsification of business records.

WW

The FEC already dismissed the case against Trump with not even a fine.....let alone criminal violation. Trump was not violating federal election law.

Well, which lie you ask.

Stop deflecting. And, yes, I ask that. There was no "other crime" committed by Trump that magically turned an expired misdemeanor into a magical unexpired felony. No leftist could cite one.

 

[Political-Junkie]

She was not receiving money for a campaign; she was extorting Trump; both women were whores. Both told Trump pay me or I will hurt you. How did both of them escape prison?

How could she hurt him?

 

[Mick2]

Don’t pretend like you don’t know exactly what I mean.

We know you people aren't pretending. Lol. You think it's real. It's called your psychosis. Studies say you folks are highly afflicted with it.

 

[Lockback]

How could she hurt him?

Would you like to be blatantly lied about if you were a major public figure?

 

[Political-Junkie]

I will acknowledge that Trump is a "convicted felon" as soon as some Leftist can articulate what crime he was convicted of.

Falsifying business records to conceal a crime.