Why Do Trump Supporters Have Such A Hard Time Admitting He's A Convicted Felon?

[WEATHER53]

The verdict has been rendered. Anyone else would be in prison. Quit lyong.

A verdict is not the completion . Another premature ejaculation

 

[Delldude]

State attorney's can't use federal law as the basis of charges.

Trump was charged under New York State Law for felonious falsification of business records.

The federal campaign fraud charges (and conviction) were against Cohen.

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You're wrong.

 

[WEATHER53]

Also that judges assumption about Trumps motive in seeking a higher authority and stating Trump is denied that appeal is insane and illegal

 

[WorldWatcher]

Doesn't prove a crime occurred.

Ya it does. A conviction in federal court is considered a judgement fact.

Sure you can. But completely irrelevant to Trump's trial.

Technically you can, but there are very limited claims. "I changed my mind" isn't one of them.

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[WorldWatcher]

You're wrong.

Nope, I'm right.

Here is the criminal indictment for New York. He was charged with felonious falsification of business records not federal campaign fraud.

States can't file federal charges in state court.

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https://manhattanda.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/Donald-J.-Trump-Indictment.pdf

 

[Delldude]

Nope, I'm right.

In his filing, Bragg sets out four potential object offenses: violations of federal campaign finance law under the Federal Election Campaign Act (FECA); violations of New York Election Law § 17-152; violations of federal, local, and state tax law; and additional falsifications of business records outside the Trump Organization. Merchan allowed Bragg to move forward with the first three theories but tossed out the last one.

Charting the Legal Theory Behind People v. Trump

The mechanics of the case as District Attorney Alvin Bragg is prosecuting it.

www.lawfaremedia.org

 

[Dante]

In his filing, Bragg sets out four potential object offenses: violations of federal campaign finance law under the Federal Election Campaign Act (FECA); violations of New York Election Law § 17-152; violations of federal, local, and state tax law; and additional falsifications of business records outside the Trump Organization. Merchan allowed Bragg to move forward with the first three theories but tossed out the last one.

Charting the Legal Theory Behind People v. Trump

The mechanics of the case as District Attorney Alvin Bragg is prosecuting it.

www.lawfaremedia.org

The "filing?" Okay.

Trump is now a convicted felon.

 

[Dante]

Nope, I'm right.

Here is the criminal indictment for New York. He was charged with felonious falsification of business records not federal campaign fraud.

States can't file federal charges in state court.

WW

https://manhattanda.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/Donald-J.-Trump-Indictment.pdf

It gets very complicated -- for us lay persons (cue Failed Constitutional lawyer BackAgain )

Federal criminal charges must be prosecuted in federal court, not state court, because federal laws are written as U.S.C. statutes, and state courts handle state-level offenses. However, under the dual sovereignty principle, both state and federal governments may prosecute the same conduct separately if it violates both state and federal laws

 

[WorldWatcher]

In his filing, Bragg sets out four potential object offenses: violations of federal campaign finance law under the Federal Election Campaign Act (FECA); violations of New York Election Law § 17-152; violations of federal, local, and state tax law; and additional falsifications of business records outside the Trump Organization. Merchan allowed Bragg to move forward with the first three theories but tossed out the last one.

Charting the Legal Theory Behind People v. Trump

The mechanics of the case as District Attorney Alvin Bragg is prosecuting it.

www.lawfaremedia.org

Those are motivation theories as to why the acts were committed. They show the mens rea or criminal intent to commit the offense.

That is different than the criminal charges.

He was charged with state laws not federal. The motive was to hid Cohen's criminal campaign fraud.

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[Lockback]

The "filing?" Okay.

Trump is now a convicted felon.

 

[Dante]

Pleading guilty is a conviction.

You can't appeal a guilty plea.

Not exactly true.

Doesn't prove a crime occurred.

"A guilty plea generally functions as a legal admission that a crime occurred, acting as a "conclusive admission of guilt" that removes the need for a trial or evidence. While it results in a conviction, it does not always prove factual guilt, as some individuals plead guilty despite innocence to avoid harsher penalties"

You are claiming people plead to crimes, are found guilty of crimes, and then are sentenced for crimes that did not occur.

You can't appeal a guilty plea.

WW

Sure you can. But completely irrelevant to Trump's trial.

How so, genius?

 

[Dante]

Trump is now a convicted felon.

au contraire! Trump and his pals care very much. They have spending a fortune on trying to get it un-done.


You're such and idiot -- and such a Troll (not very good at it, either).

 

[Dante]

There seems to be a lot of self-denial about his convictions. Why can't his supporters admit the truth--that he was convicted on all 34 charges by a DC court.
Will this fact also follow the election result deniers path of massive resistance at first and now a comparatively few still hold out that Trump won the 2020 election?

 

[j-mac]

SC ruled… nope

Not talking about during the POTUS years…Plenty to look at before, and after…

 

[WEATHER53]

It gets very complicated -- for us lay persons (cue Failed Constitutional lawyer BackAgain )

Federal criminal charges must be prosecuted in federal court, not state court, because federal laws are written as U.S.C. statutes, and state courts handle state-level offenses. However, under the dual sovereignty principle, both state and federal governments may prosecute the same conduct separately if it violates both state and federal laws

They bent over backwards to railroad him, extended expiration times, and combined misdemeanors so they could craft that into felonies. None of this will ever survive final scrutiny but the smear campaign will already have succeeded. Braggs boss refused to allow Bragg to pursue almost half of his bogus bullshit

 

[Rawley]

Daniels first threatened to go public with her claims 5 years earlier. Trump didn't pay her then and she told her story to In Touch magazine.

If I recall, Daniels and her attorney at that time who handled the NDA.

He is a scumbag, but so is Trump. So which one to believe? Given the other evidence I mentioned, I believe Cohen over Trump.

Paying for her silence weeks before the election certainly appeared to benefit Trump's candidacy. And given he waited until the election to buy her silence, it looks like a campaign violation to me.

Well, that should have been for the jury to decide. But Marchan prevented that.

 

[Rawley]

Ya it does.

No it doesn't. And you know that.

A conviction in federal court is considered a judgement fact.

Duh.

Technically you can, but there are very limited claims. "I changed my mind" isn't one of them.

WW

Federal Criminal Appeals After A Plea And Sentence

We are a boutique law firm that handles only Federal Criminal Appeals throughout the United States. We Are Federal Criminal Appeals.

federalappealslawfirm.com

COhen's ability to appeal his conviction has zero relevance to Marchan f*cking up Trump's trial.

 

[struth]

I’m happy to discuss America’s Mandela.

 

[Lockback]

au contraire! Trump and his pals care very much. They have spending a fortune on trying to get it un-done.


You're such and idiot -- and such a Troll (not very good at it, either).

You're a Leftist clown. And nothing more. Brainwashed.
Over 77 MILLION PEOPLE voted for Trump, even knowing about the fake "felonies" but you all keep pumping it up and nobody really gives a shit, now do they?

 

[Independent thinker]

Yes, I do (as I stated in the previous post and you were unable to see it or even comprehend it), but that doesn't APPLY to the case where Trump got convicted of felony charges!

Do YOU understand that?????

Do you believe lawfare should be used against your political enemies?