Why Do Trump Supporters Have Such A Hard Time Admitting He's A Convicted Felon?

[WorldWatcher]

Bragg used federal campaign violations as the basis of the charges.

State attorney's can't use federal law as the basis of charges.

Trump was charged under New York State Law for felonious falsification of business records.

The federal campaign fraud charges (and conviction) were against Cohen.

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[WorldWatcher]

Carroll won on the claims she was defamed.

Correct.

That doesn't mean that New York changed the law just for her.

Don't you remember the whole national "Me To" movement?

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[Robert W]

Correct.

That doesn't mean that New York changed the law just for her.

Don't you remember the whole national "Me To" movement.

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I have never alleged it was changed just for her.

When was the defamation law changed?

 

[Political-Junkie]

No there wasn't. It was never contested. Cohen pleaded guilty to get get favorable sentencing.

No campaign violation, no conviction of Trump. Which is why Scumbag Merchant refused the former FEC COmmission to testify there was no FEC violation.

THis is not rockets science

The legal limit for an individual contribution was $2700. Cohen paid Daniels $230,000 to remain quiet about her claims she had an affair with Trump years earlier, far in excess of the legal limit. How is that not a campaign violation?

 

[Rawley]

The legal limit for an individual contribution was $2700. Cohen paid Daniels $230,000 to remain quiet about her claims she had an affair with Trump years earlier, far in excess of the legal limit. How is that not a campaign violation?

In simple terms, if the $ would have been paid regardless of whether there was a campaign, there is no FEC violation. Long series of cases establish this as the law. This is the kind of testimony Merchan blocked.

Rich guys pay goldiggers every day to shut them up. Typically the cost in bad publicity heavily outweighs the cost of the NDA.

 

[WorldWatcher]

I have never alleged it was changed just for her.

When was the defamation law changed?

I have no idea the last time the New York updated it's defamation law.

New York did change the sexual abuse law under the Adult Survivors Act (2022) which allowed Carroll to sue for battery.

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[WorldWatcher]

In simple terms, if the $ would have been paid regardless of whether there was a campaign, there is no FEC violation. Long series of cases establish this as the law. This is the kind of testimony Merchan blocked.

Correct. And testimony was in court was that Trump tried to delay the payment until after the eleciton so he WOULDN'T have to pay.

So that disproved the whole "well he'd have paid anyway" argument.

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[Mick2]

Declaring a hush money payment as a “legal expense” is illegal yes

That's only true if it is covering up anothrr crime. It's not true if it's over a completely legal action like an NDA and subsequent consent by both parties.

 

[Rawley]

Correct. And testimony was in court was that Trump tried to delay the payment until after the eleciton so he WOULDN'T have to pay.

So that disproved the whole "well he'd have paid anyway" argument.

Not at all, but it's what I'd expect of a Trump hater.

 

[Mick2]

Why can't you prove your words instead of saying "felonies were banana republic bullshit". You seem to be a total Trump "cult" member. All words but no facts supporting them

We've already given you facts. We asked you what the crime was and you couldn't answer.

 

[Political-Junkie]

When did Merchan say that to you?

"After careful analysis in obedience to governing mandates and pursuant to the rule of law, this court has determined that the only lawful sentence that permits entry of a judgment of conviction without encroaching upon the highest office in the land is an unconditional discharge"

 

[berg80]

Why Do Trump Supporters Have Such A Hard Time Admitting He's A Convicted Felon?​

The simple answer, as illustrated by post #2, is his conviction is incongruous with The Following's quasi-religious belief in Dear Leader's infallibility.

 

[Robert W]

I have no idea the last time the New York updated it's defamation law.

New York did change the sexual abuse law under the Adult Survivors Act (2022) which allowed Carroll to sue for battery.

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She failed to win on that. She was able to win a large suit over her claim to be defamed. She defamed Trump by falsely accusing him of raping her.

Appeals court says Trump doesn't have to pay $83 million to E. Jean Carroll — for now​

Politics May 12, 2026 4:36 PM EDT
NEW YORK (AP) — President Donald Trump won't have to pay an $83 million defamation award to a longtime advice columnist until the U.S. Supreme Court gets a chance to review the case or reject an appeal, according to a court entry Tuesday.

 

[WEATHER53]

State attorney's can't use federal law as the basis of charges.

Trump was charged under New York State Law for felonious falsification of business records.

The federal campaign fraud charges (and conviction) were against Cohen.

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The judge tried to claim that Trump's business was not business

 

[playtime]

because ...

cult.

 

[Robert W]

Why Do Trump Supporters Have Such A Hard Time Admitting He's A Convicted Felon?​

The simple answer, as illustrated by post #2, is his conviction is incongruous with The Following's quasi-religious belief in Dear Leader's infallibility.

When the judge refused to sentence him, blame him.

 

[WEATHER53]

Why Do Trump Supporters Have Such A Hard Time Admitting He's A Convicted Felon?​

The simple answer, as illustrated by post #2, is his conviction is incongruous with The Following's quasi-religious belief in Dear Leader's infallibility.

Simply because he isn’t. The process has not been completed. Also Carroll got told to forget about it

 

[berg80]

MANHATTAN (CN) — A New York federal judge on Wednesday signaled he was unlikely to grant President Donald Trump a transfer of his so-called “hush money” case from state court to Manhattan federal court, where Trump is hopeful to present presidential immunity arguments that would overturn his 2024 criminal conviction for falsifying business records to cover up payments to bury bad press in the run-up to the 2016 presidential election.

“Here, there’s nothing for me to do, and I’m not sure that saying ‘here’s the judgment, go appeal it’ is sufficient,” U.S. District Judge Alvin Hellerstein said Wednesday in response to Trump’s motion to sign off on the case transfer to the Southern District of New York federal jurisdiction.

“The fact that someone is unhappy with the strategic decision they got does not render it good cause,” Hellerstein, a Bill Clinton appointee, told Trump’s lawyers during oral arguments that ran nearly three hours.

A jury in Manhattan state supreme court convicted Trump in May 2024 on 34 felony counts of falsifying business records, which stemmed from a sweeping and salacious hush money scheme aimed at quashing bad press during his 2016 presidential campaign.

The jury found that Trump orchestrated his former personal attorney and “fixer” Michael Cohen to pay $130,000 to adult film star Stormy Daniels, who Trump was concerned would share details from their 2006 sexual encounter at an inopportune time during the election. When repaying Cohen, Trump disguised the payments as standard legal fees, sometimes signing those illicit checks from the Oval Office during his first presidential term, witnesses testified.

New York judge excoriates Trump’s timing in bid to scrap hush money conviction

The Second Circuit ordered a Manhattan federal judge to reconsider his decision to keep Trump’s falsified business records case in state court instead of removing it to federal court, where Trump can seek to have it tossed post-trial on assertions of sweeping presidential immunity.

courthousenews.com

 

[konradv]

Simply because he isn’t. The process has not been completed. Also Carroll got told to forget about it

The verdict has been rendered. Anyone else would be in prison. Quit lyong.

 

[berg80]

Simply because he isn’t. The process has not been completed. Also Carroll got told to forget about it

The Carroll case was a civil matter.