Why do the LGBT crowd not support Gary Johnson?

[TakeAStepBack]

are you a mind reader now, luca?

why should a gay couple have to enter into numerous legal gymnastics that a straight couple gets by buying a license and saying i do? 'splain that please.

i know, i know, get the *gubmint* out of the marriage business.



obvious hypocrite is predictable

I don't need to be. It's all over this thread. They want the benefits and perks the govt. grants those who turn their relationships over to the state by getting a license and filing the legal work.

And they shouldn't. Which is why the government has no business making such decisions or providing incentives or perks. There is nothing hypocritical about it from my end.

If you knew, you wouldn't be asking, genius.

so i assume that you have never been legally married nor taken any of the benefits?

That makes no difference. But, no. I've not signed my relationship over to the state as of yet. That again, has nothing to do with my stance on it. If I do it, it'll be knowing full well that I'm participating in a system that is deliberately unequal, hypocritical and also breaches the separation of church and state.

 

[del]

as a political philosopher, rand was a decent novelist.

who, of course, lived off of social security when the time came.

just sayin

that's different and not hypocritical in the least.

It's not hypocritical, genius. I'm against paying federal income tax, yet I'll take whatever return is mine. You pay in, you take what you can get. Regardless. Now, if they want to make it optional and someone still participates, then you can claim hypocrite.

of course it isn't

 

[TakeAStepBack]

Good, I'm glad we agree.

 

[bodecea]

This is where I disagree with Johnson...I say government doesn't need to be in marriage AT ALL...its a contract between people...the government needs no say so in it.

What have you actively done to make that change?

 

[del]

This is where I disagree with Johnson...I say government doesn't need to be in marriage AT ALL...its a contract between people...the government needs no say so in it.

What have you actively done to make that change?

nothing.

none of them do anything to back up their bullshit.

they all pay taxes, they all take deductions, they all collect social security when the time comes, and they're all as full of shit as a christmas goose.

then they wonder why no one takes them seriously.

 

[bodecea]

This is where I disagree with Johnson...I say government doesn't need to be in marriage AT ALL...its a contract between people...the government needs no say so in it.

What have you actively done to make that change?

nothing.

none of them do anything to back up their bullshit.

they all pay taxes, they all take deductions, they all collect social security when the time comes, and they're all as full of shit as a christmas goose.

then they wonder why no one takes them seriously.

It's the "cut off your nose to spite your face" gambit. Or "If gays get to legally marry we don't want legal marriage for anyone" gambit.

 

[kaz]

Really? How so? As Seawytch said....examples?

Um...OK. Any single person. She is advocating that all single people have less rights then gay couples. But only because she's against discrimination.

You are a couple of rocket scientists you are. I mean duh.

Give some specific examples. Why is that so hard?

Legally married gay couples don't even have the same rights as married heterosexual couples...outside the couples that can't even get legally married.

And you're advocating that gay couples should have rights that single people don't have. Pick any example of any "right" you advocate gay couples have, and that's an example of a right I"m referring to that you advocate gay couples should have over single people.

Fighting discrimination with discrimination. Yes, it's as stupid an idea as it sounds...

 

[kaz]

they all collect social security when the time comes, and they're all as full of shit as a christmas goose

Someone takes your wallet with $100 in it, but before they leave they take a $20 out and hold it in their hand and offer you to take the $20 bill back. If you accept it, does that mean you consented to the robbery?

 

[GeoLaureate8]

Johnson is a wasted vote and everyone but the tin foil hats know it.

"If everyone wasted their vote on me, I would become the next President of the United States."
-- Gary Johnson


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[Dissent]

This is where I disagree with Johnson...I say government doesn't need to be in marriage AT ALL...its a contract between people...the government needs no say so in it.

What have you actively done to make that change?

Why do I need to do anything to change it? I got married and I don't have the governments permission and won't ask for it.That is just my personal opinion if it happens it happens if not fine then.

 

[del]

they all collect social security when the time comes, and they're all as full of shit as a christmas goose

Someone takes your wallet with $100 in it, but before they leave they take a $20 out and hold it in their hand and offer you to take the $20 bill back. If you accept it, does that mean you consented to the robbery?

that would be fine if you weren't in a position to avoid being robbed. there are millions of people who work under the table.

if you believe the horseshit you're spewing, you should be one of them.

try harder, little man

 

[Oddball]

This is where I disagree with Johnson...I say government doesn't need to be in marriage AT ALL...its a contract between people...the government needs no say so in it.

What have you actively done to make that change?

Tried to convince folx like you that da gubmint is not your friend.

When you gonna get the message?

 

[del]

This is where I disagree with Johnson...I say government doesn't need to be in marriage AT ALL...its a contract between people...the government needs no say so in it.

What have you actively done to make that change?

Tried to convince folx like you that da gubmint is not your friend.

When you gonna get the message?

^

so, nothing but rant on messageboards

hard to believe that isn't building momentum

shocker, really

 

[Oddball]

are you a mind reader now, luca?

why should a gay couple have to enter into numerous legal gymnastics that a straight couple gets by buying a license and saying i do? 'splain that please.

i know, i know, get the *gubmint* out of the marriage business.



obvious hypocrite is predictable

I don't need to be. It's all over this thread. They want the benefits and perks the govt. grants those who turn their relationships over to the state by getting a license and filing the legal work.

And they shouldn't. Which is why the government has no business making such decisions or providing incentives or perks. There is nothing hypocritical about it from my end.

If you knew, you wouldn't be asking, genius.

so i assume that you have never been legally married nor taken any of the benefits?

Not me.

I also haven't signed up for the liabilities, like spending zillions of dollars on looyahs to get a statutory marriage dissolved.

 

[Oddball]

What have you actively done to make that change?

Tried to convince folx like you that da gubmint is not your friend.

When you gonna get the message?

^

so, nothing but rant on messageboards

hard to believe that isn't building momentum

shocker, really

If you're under the illusion that this is the only place I've 'splained this issue to people is on message boards, you're sadly mistaken....Again.

 

[Oddball]

Yeah, in other words you're a bigot for not wanting to do a portrait. That's fine by me, I'd rather be considered a bigot by a third party that can fuck off, than be sued for not doing something based on a personal choice. Anyone should have every right to reject interaction peacefully with anyone for any reason.

Hell, I think jillian is a fucking retard, so there is no way I would want her legal services.

And thanks for makign the real point here with the special interest LOLberal group. They want the benefits the govt. grants those who get married, not really the marriage part itself. That's why the govt. should get out of the marriage business altogether and leave it to the church. No perks, no inequality in perks based on rights perceptions.

The thing is that this is such fertile ground for any lawyer willing to do the groundwork and salesmanship requisite to sell the idea of not sitting around waiting for The Man to give them their "rights", and put together an affordable package of contracts, trusts and simple powers of attorney that would give GLBT couples most of the rights and legal protections that they claim to want.

But lolberals are nothing if not famous for their laziness -both intellectual and physical- cheapness and generally shitty sales skills.

Right...queers should pay hundreds, if not thousands, of dollars to lawyers just to get a fraction of the rights, benefits and privileges associated with legal marriage. That sounds fair.

Point me to the lawyer that can get my legal spouse as a legal dependent for my military retirement and SS.

Those are privileges and benefits.

You interested in protecting your rights, or are you just in it for the loot?

 

[del]

Tried to convince folx like you that da gubmint is not your friend.

When you gonna get the message?

^

so, nothing but rant on messageboards

hard to believe that isn't building momentum

shocker, really

If you're under the illusion that this is the only place I've 'splained this issue to people is on message boards, you're sadly mistaken....Again.

i'm sure the guy on the barstool next to you ran right out and bought a copy of the fountainhead.

that's some impressive shit right there.

 

[Oddball]

^

so, nothing but rant on messageboards

hard to believe that isn't building momentum

shocker, really

If you're under the illusion that this is the only place I've 'splained this issue to people is on message boards, you're sadly mistaken....Again.

i'm sure the guy on the barstool next to you ran right out and bought a copy of the fountainhead.

that's some impressive shit right there.

I'm sorry...I meant delusion...My bad.

 

[del]

If you're under the illusion that this is the only place I've 'splained this issue to people is on message boards, you're sadly mistaken....Again.

i'm sure the guy on the barstool next to you ran right out and bought a copy of the fountainhead.

that's some impressive shit right there.

I'm sorry...I meant delusion...My bad.

no problem, luca.

i don't expect much from you, so i'm never disappointed, and i almost always have a good laugh.

 

[Seawytch]

Um...OK. Any single person. She is advocating that all single people have less rights then gay couples. But only because she's against discrimination.

You are a couple of rocket scientists you are. I mean duh.

Give some specific examples. Why is that so hard?

Legally married gay couples don't even have the same rights as married heterosexual couples...outside the couples that can't even get legally married.

And you're advocating that gay couples should have rights that single people don't have. Pick any example of any "right" you advocate gay couples have, and that's an example of a right I"m referring to that you advocate gay couples should have over single people.

Fighting discrimination with discrimination. Yes, it's as stupid an idea as it sounds...

What right? You just can't give specifics can you? Seems to be a thing with you.