Zone1 Why do some people hate the Jews?

[Hafar1014]

Why do you believe that? Were the natives not his creatures the same as us?

Everything which begins has an ending. It's not hard to predict the downfall. The hard thing is to predict when it will happen. So I wouldn't read anything more into their legends than that. I certainly wouldn't use their legends to justify a wrong as a right. Especially when it's so easy to just say we did wrong and leave it at that. The worst thing we can do is to justify a wrong as a right.

People who live in glass houses shouldnt throw stones

• The Crusades (11th-13th Centuries): Religious wars often deemed "holy wars," involving widespread bloodshed against Muslims and, at times, Jews and Eastern Orthodox Christians.
  • The Goa Inquisition (16th-18th Centuries): Portuguese prosecutors in India destroyed Hindu temples, banned rituals, and punished non-Catholics through forced conversions, public flogging, imprisonment, and burning at the stake.
  • The Spanish Inquisition and "Blood Purity" Laws: Targeted Jewish and Muslim converts to Christianity (conversos), creating systems of discrimination, persecution, and systemic exclusion based on ancestry.
  • Persecution of Traditional African Religions: Missionaries and colonial authorities in Zimbabwe (Shona people) and Gabon (Bwiti religion) disrupted traditional practices, destroyed shrines, and forced conversions.
  • Christianization of Europe: Included violent campaigns such as Charlemagne’s Saxon Wars, which were fought to convert pagan populations.
  • Biblical Interpretations: Some scholars argue that certain narratives in the Old Testament/Hebrew Bible, regarding the destruction of the Midianites and Canaanites, are portrayed as divine commands to engage in warfare and, by some, interpreted as genocidal in nature.
    

These acts were often intertwined with colonial expansion, political power struggles, and, in some cases, the belief that indigenous religions and cultures needed to be eradicated.

Colonial and Modern Atrocities

• Indigenous Residential Schools: In Canada and the US, Christian-run institutions sought to forcibly assimilate indigenous children, leading to systemic physical and sexual abuse and thousands of deaths.
• Rwandan Genocide (1994): Some Catholic priests and nuns were active participants in the genocide, leading to a formal apology from the Vatican in 2017.
• Srebrenica Massacre (1995): Orthodox and Catholic forces were involved in the killing of approximately 8,000 Muslim men and boys during the Bosnian War.
• Colonial Conquests: Forced Christianization accompanied many imperial expansions, such as Charlemagne's wars against the Saxons, which included the execution of 4,500 pagans at the Massacre of Verden.
  Reddit +2

Persecution of Specific Groups

• Jewish Communities: Long before the 20th century, Jewish populations in Europe faced frequent pogroms and massacres justified by anti-Semitic religious rhetoric.
• LGBTQ+ Persecution: Medieval canon laws and Inquisitorial courts criminalized same-sex relationships, leading to thousands of executions and imprisonments for "sodomy".
• Traditional African Religions: Adherents faced forced conversions, the destruction of sacred sites, and marginalization by both Christian and Muslim colonial forces.
  Dwell Community Church +4

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Gentile converts are considered 'second class' Jews by ethnic Jews.

Does Sammy know?

 

[alang1216]

I agree. Remember that the next time you make moral arguments.

I think what you fail to realize is that the universe is amoral but I am not.

 

[ding]

So are you trying to say Jews are NAZIS based on thousands of years ago. Can I judge toy by the crusades, Spanish Inquisition and Catholic Church's support for child abusing priests, witches burned at the stake.

No. I am asking a simple question. Is there a difference between what the Israelites did to the Canaanites and what Hitler did to the Jews? Feel free to argue it either way. Or not. I couldn't care less.

 

[ding]

Loss for words or thoughts

Or an accurate observation.

 

[Hafar1014]

Or an accurate observation.

Thats you

 

[alang1216]

You are correct a bell curve called a normal distribution is how world wide IQ scores fall. Median is 100 one standard deviation is 15. If we look at smaller cultures we get a different median. Jews are 107 Asians 108 African Americans 85.
Its determined by genetics the parents who are the smartest have the most children then the median increases. The reverse is true.

If genetics and nutrition are both factors in IQ, maybe Jews and Asian are just better fed compared to African Americans.

 

[Hafar1014]

No. I am asking a simple question. Is there a difference between what the Israelites did to the Canaanites and what Hitler did to the Jews? Feel free to argue it either way. Or not. I couldn't care less.

It isnt a simple question its an attempt to compare Jews to NAZIs and its very un Christian of you but not unexpected.
How are the Christian atrocities through out history and different from Charles Mansons acts of violence or Hitlers. You make Hitler look like a saint

Throughout history, various actions committed in the name of Christianity have resulted in significant violence, persecution, and destruction. Key examples include the Crusades, the Inquisition (notably in Goa and Spain), forced conversions, colonial-era destruction of indigenous African and American cultures, the persecution of pagans during the Christianization of Europe, and historical antisemitic acts.
Wikipedia +5
Key instances of violence associated with historical Christian, particularly European Catholic, endeavors:

• The Crusades (11th-13th Centuries): Religious wars often deemed "holy wars," involving widespread bloodshed against Muslims and, at times, Jews and Eastern Orthodox Christians.
  • The Goa Inquisition (16th-18th Centuries): Portuguese prosecutors in India destroyed Hindu temples, banned rituals, and punished non-Catholics through forced conversions, public flogging, imprisonment, and burning at the stake.
  • The Spanish Inquisition and "Blood Purity" Laws: Targeted Jewish and Muslim converts to Christianity (conversos), creating systems of discrimination, persecution, and systemic exclusion based on ancestry.
  • Persecution of Traditional African Religions: Missionaries and colonial authorities in Zimbabwe (Shona people) and Gabon (Bwiti religion) disrupted traditional practices, destroyed shrines, and forced conversions.
  • Christianization of Europe: Included violent campaigns such as Charlemagne’s Saxon Wars, which were fought to convert pagan populations.
  • Biblical Interpretations: Some scholars argue that certain narratives in the Old Testament/Hebrew Bible, regarding the destruction of the Midianites and Canaanites, are portrayed as divine commands to engage in warfare and, by some, interpreted as genocidal in nature.
    

These acts were often intertwined with colonial expansion, political power struggles, and, in some cases, the belief that indigenous religions and cultures needed to be eradicated.
Colonialism and Systemic Abuse

• Indigenous Residential Schools: In Canada and the US, church-run schools aimed to forcibly assimilate indigenous children. Thousands of children died from neglect and abuse, an act described by scholars as cultural genocide.
• Colonial Violence and Forced Conversions: During the conquest of the Americas and Africa, Christianity was frequently used to justify the displacement, enslavement, and mass killing of native populations.
• Institutional Sexual Abuse: In the 20th and 21st centuries, systemic sexual abuse of minors within the Catholic Church and other denominations has been documented globally, involving tens of thousands of victims and institutional cover-ups.
  Reddit +4

Biblical and Scriptural Context

• Old Testament Accounts: Critical scholars and atheist organizations point to biblical narratives describing the annihilation of entire ethnic groups (such as the Amalekites and Canaanites) as early examples of religious violence or "divinely mandated" atrocities.
  Reddit +2

Perspectives and Responses

• Theological Defense: Many Christian apologists distinguish between the teachings of Jesus and the actions of "wolves in sheep's clothing," arguing that these atrocities were a betrayal of biblical principles rather than a fulfillment of them.
• Secular Criticism: Critics argue that these events demonstrate how religious authority can be used as a powerful tool for social control and institutionalized violence.

 

[Lisa558]

Gentile converts are considered 'second class' Jews by ethnic Jews.

The opposite is true.

I just LOVE how these non-Jews know more about Judaism than Jewish people.

 

[Lisa558]

If genetics and nutrition are both factors in IQ, maybe Jews and Asian are just better fed compared to African Americans.

Those impoverished Jews during the Depression still managed to raise Jewish kids with high IQs. Even with nothing but a chicken wing for dinner.

 

[ding]

I think what you fail to realize is that the universe is amoral but I am not.

Which part is the part you think I fail to recognize? Or is it both parts? That I don't realize the universe is amoraI or that I don't realize that you are moral? I know you are moral. I know this because every argument you make is a moral argument. Furthermore, this applies to almost everyone. Being moral isn't the problem. The problem is when people see themselves as moral when they aren't. This may be hard for some to comprehend but no one is all good or all bad. We're complicated.

My disagreement with you is that based upon your worldview you have no authority to say what is moral and what isn't because you believe morals are subjective. You've shot yourself in the foot by arguing there are no objective standards that exist.

It's not the morals that are subjective. It's the people that are subjective.

As to the other thing you may believe I don't recognize, how would you know if the universe were moral, immoral or amoral?

 

[Hafar1014]

The opposite is true.

I just LOVE how these non-Jews know more about Judaism than Jewish people.

We dont seek converts but when its their choice we welcome them

 

[ding]

People who live in glass houses shouldnt throw stones

• The Crusades (11th-13th Centuries):Religious wars often deemed "holy wars," involving widespread bloodshed against Muslims and, at times, Jews and Eastern Orthodox Christians.
  • The Goa Inquisition (16th-18th Centuries): Portuguese prosecutors in India destroyed Hindu temples, banned rituals, and punished non-Catholics through forced conversions, public flogging, imprisonment, and burning at the stake.
  • The Spanish Inquisition and "Blood Purity" Laws: Targeted Jewish and Muslim converts to Christianity (conversos), creating systems of discrimination, persecution, and systemic exclusion based on ancestry.
  • Persecution of Traditional African Religions: Missionaries and colonial authorities in Zimbabwe (Shona people) and Gabon (Bwiti religion) disrupted traditional practices, destroyed shrines, and forced conversions.
  • Christianization of Europe: Included violent campaigns such as Charlemagne’s Saxon Wars, which were fought to convert pagan populations.
  • Biblical Interpretations: Some scholars argue that certain narratives in the Old Testament/Hebrew Bible, regarding the destruction of the Midianites and Canaanites, are portrayed as divine commands to engage in warfare and, by some, interpreted as genocidal in nature.

These acts were often intertwined with colonial expansion, political power struggles, and, in some cases, the belief that indigenous religions and cultures needed to be eradicated.

Colonial and Modern Atrocities

• Indigenous Residential Schools: In Canada and the US, Christian-run institutions sought to forcibly assimilate indigenous children, leading to systemic physical and sexual abuse and thousands of deaths.
• Rwandan Genocide (1994): Some Catholic priests and nuns were active participants in the genocide, leading to a formal apology from the Vatican in 2017.
• Srebrenica Massacre (1995): Orthodox and Catholic forces were involved in the killing of approximately 8,000 Muslim men and boys during the Bosnian War.
• Colonial Conquests: Forced Christianization accompanied many imperial expansions, such as Charlemagne's wars against the Saxons, which included the execution of 4,500 pagans at the Massacre of Verden.
  Reddit +2

Persecution of Specific Groups

• Jewish Communities: Long before the 20th century, Jewish populations in Europe faced frequent pogroms and massacres justified by anti-Semitic religious rhetoric.
• LGBTQ+ Persecution: Medieval canon laws and Inquisitorial courts criminalized same-sex relationships, leading to thousands of executions and imprisonments for "sodomy".
• Traditional African Religions: Adherents faced forced conversions, the destruction of sacred sites, and marginalization by both Christian and Muslim colonial forces.
  Dwell Community Church +4

I'm not getting your point.

 

[ding]

Thats you

The dunning effect says otherwise.

 

[Hafar1014]

I'm not getting your point.

No kidding its on top of your head

 

[alang1216]

Those impoverished Jews during the Depression still managed to raise Jewish kids with high IQs. Even with nothing but a chicken wing for dinner.

Lots of good schmaltz in those wings.

 

[Lisa558]

We dont seek converts but when its their choice we welcome them

True, and we are actually taught NOT to make a distinction in how we treat a convert compared to a “born” Jew. In fact, in the Torah, we are told to take “extra care” in welcoming them.

The antisemites on this thread are just spewing more of their Jew-hate with their lies.

 

[ding]

It isnt a simple question its an attempt to compare Jews to NAZIs and its very un Christian of you but not unexpected.
How are the Christian atrocities through out history and different from Charles Mansons acts of violence or Hitlers. You make Hitler look like a saint

Throughout history, various actions committed in the name of Christianity have resulted in significant violence, persecution, and destruction. Key examples include the Crusades, the Inquisition (notably in Goa and Spain), forced conversions, colonial-era destruction of indigenous African and American cultures, the persecution of pagans during the Christianization of Europe, and historical antisemitic acts.
Wikipedia +5
Key instances of violence associated with historical Christian, particularly European Catholic, endeavors:

• The Crusades (11th-13th Centuries):Religious wars often deemed "holy wars," involving widespread bloodshed against Muslims and, at times, Jews and Eastern Orthodox Christians.
  • The Goa Inquisition (16th-18th Centuries): Portuguese prosecutors in India destroyed Hindu temples, banned rituals, and punished non-Catholics through forced conversions, public flogging, imprisonment, and burning at the stake.
  • The Spanish Inquisition and "Blood Purity" Laws: Targeted Jewish and Muslim converts to Christianity (conversos), creating systems of discrimination, persecution, and systemic exclusion based on ancestry.
  • Persecution of Traditional African Religions: Missionaries and colonial authorities in Zimbabwe (Shona people) and Gabon (Bwiti religion) disrupted traditional practices, destroyed shrines, and forced conversions.
  • Christianization of Europe: Included violent campaigns such as Charlemagne’s Saxon Wars, which were fought to convert pagan populations.
  • Biblical Interpretations: Some scholars argue that certain narratives in the Old Testament/Hebrew Bible, regarding the destruction of the Midianites and Canaanites, are portrayed as divine commands to engage in warfare and, by some, interpreted as genocidal in nature.

These acts were often intertwined with colonial expansion, political power struggles, and, in some cases, the belief that indigenous religions and cultures needed to be eradicated.
Colonialism and Systemic Abuse

• Indigenous Residential Schools: In Canada and the US, church-run schools aimed to forcibly assimilate indigenous children. Thousands of children died from neglect and abuse, an act described by scholars as cultural genocide.
• Colonial Violence and Forced Conversions: During the conquest of the Americas and Africa, Christianity was frequently used to justify the displacement, enslavement, and mass killing of native populations.
• Institutional Sexual Abuse: In the 20th and 21st centuries, systemic sexual abuse of minors within the Catholic Church and other denominations has been documented globally, involving tens of thousands of victims and institutional cover-ups.
  Reddit +4

Biblical and Scriptural Context

• Old Testament Accounts: Critical scholars and atheist organizations point to biblical narratives describing the annihilation of entire ethnic groups (such as the Amalekites and Canaanites) as early examples of religious violence or "divinely mandated" atrocities.
  Reddit +2

Perspectives and Responses

• Theological Defense: Many Christian apologists distinguish between the teachings of Jesus and the actions of "wolves in sheep's clothing," arguing that these atrocities were a betrayal of biblical principles rather than a fulfillment of them.
• Secular Criticism: Critics argue that these events demonstrate how religious authority can be used as a powerful tool for social control and institutionalized violence.

That didn't address the question. Is there a difference between what the Israelites did to the Canaanites and what Hitler did to the Jews? Feel free to argue it either way.

 

[Lisa558]

Lots of good schmaltz in those wings.

Yech and blech.

 

[ding]

No kidding its on top of your head

Or you didn't have one.

Woodznutz said:

I believe that God gave this land to us. The natives were just placeholders.

I asked the questions: "Why do you believe that? Were the natives not his creatures the same as us?"

And I'm still trying to figure out what your point is.