Why Do So Few Admit To Being Liberals?

Liberalism or being a liberal is what thier parents were.

And who wants to be like thier parents?

Is far "cooler" to be a progressive now and hang out with communist and socialists. Forget that old liberal mom and dad went to war to stop communism, some of them died doing so.

Damn I miss those liberals, they had the balls to do the right thing. Now.. Now nothing.
 
Liberalism or being a liberal is what thier parents were.

And who wants to be like thier parents?

Is far "cooler" to be a progressive now and hang out with communist and socialists. Forget that old liberal mom and dad went to war to stop communism, some of them died doing so.

Damn I miss those liberals, they had the balls to do the right thing. Now.. Now nothing.

are you trying to take the prize for the most ignorant post from pc?
 
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Is it history that is a problem for you, or reading, in general?

Clearly, you fail to understand that Wilson and the Progressives were so reviled by the American public, that John Dewey changed the name to 'liberal' to wrap the ugly political concept is the cloak of what he wished to be understood as: classical liberalism.

1. Wilson and the Progressives tried to make war socialism permanent, but the voters didn’t agree. They (Progressives) began to agree more and more with Bismarckian top-down socialism, and looked to Russia and Italy where ‘men of action’ were creating utopias. Also, John Dewey renamed Progressivism as ‘liberalism,’ which had referred to political and economic liberty, along the lines of John Locke and Adam Smith: maximum individual freedom under a minimalist state. Dewey changed the meaning to the Prussian meaning: alleviation of material and educational poverty, and the removal of old ideas and faiths. Classical liberals were more like what we call Conservatives.

2. “Finally, Dewey arguably did more than any other reformer to repackage progressive social theory in a way that obscured just how radically its principles departed from those of the American founding. Like Ely and many of his fellow progressive academics, Dewey initially embraced the term "socialism" to describe his social theory. Only after realizing how damaging the name was to the socialist cause did he, like other progressives, begin to avoid it. In the early 1930s, accordingly, Dewey begged the Socialist party, of which he was a longtime member, to change its name. "The greatest handicap from which special measures favored by the Socialists suffer," Dewey declared, "is that they are advanced by the Socialist party as Socialism.”
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m.../ai_n45566374/

3. “DEWEY'S influential 1935 tract, Liberalism and Social Action, should be read in light of this conclusion. In this essay, Dewey purportedly recounts the "history of liberalism." "Liberalism," he suggests, is a social theory defined by a commitment to certain "enduring," fundamental principles, such as liberty and individualism. After defining these principles in the progressives' terms--…” http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1282/is_24_61/ai_n45566374/

You really give pseudo-intellectualism a bad name.

Predictably, when you can't answer you resort to an Alinsky #5: Ridicule with a side of schmear.

Pathetic.

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you even gave the child links to look things up. Guess he didn't bother, just spewed and ran.
 
Trajan said:
so boooosh is a bad guy for Afghanistan ? Oh and no war is ever really 'paid for'; ? make up ur mind please...is it a 'good war' or not?

and I can trump them both together anyway.......ready?.....





Vietnam...:eusa_shhh:


now , that I have dropped the big one, wanna talk sense?

Not sure where this is going...but what the heck..by way of clarification.

Afghanistan was basically the right thing to do, done horribly wrong. If GW had taken a cue from Panama..a wildly successful operation, he would have had very definite goals under a limited time frame. However, he didn't. So it became a mess.

And why mention Vietnam?
 
Trajan said:
so boooosh is a bad guy for Afghanistan ? Oh and no war is ever really 'paid for'; ? make up ur mind please...is it a 'good war' or not?

and I can trump them both together anyway.......ready?.....





Vietnam...:eusa_shhh:


now , that I have dropped the big one, wanna talk sense?

Not sure where this is going...but what the heck..by way of clarification.

Afghanistan was basically the right thing to do, done horribly wrong. If GW had taken a cue from Panama..a wildly successful operation, he would have had very definite goals under a limited time frame. However, he didn't. So it became a mess.

And why mention Vietnam?

why not, trajan is a pompous ass who chose the name of a roman emperor and copy pasted the latinized star trek motto into his user title.

too bad it is not long enough. the user title space.
 
Why don't those who are currently running for "Con"gress want Barry Soetoro to come to their state to help with their campaigns?
 
For the same reason why Most Democrats will not admit to supporting their Agenda Items in Congress the last 2 years.

Because it is EXTREMELY unpopular to admit to.

Huh? I do, and I suspect most do. The ones running for reelection are afraid that they can't win because they've been bested by Republican negative advertising, and before that bested by the right wing noise machine's much louder voice that speaks to a Beckian agenda.

You won't find me agreeing with anything the Republicans have to offer this time around. Nothing, nada, zip. But wait, I didn't agree with anything they had to offer in 2000 either, nor in 2004, because it was the same thing they're offering now and expecting different results.
 
What about Obama escalating the Afghanistan war, increasing the drone attacks on al qaeda, AND cutting taxes as well as supporting extending 95% of the current tax cuts. By your own 'logic' that would make Obama a Kennedy Republican.

In my words, Obama is a Tyrant.

In my words, you're a Sore Loser.

It has nothing to do with losing. We all lose when tyrants reign. It is about injustice and the corruption of principle. There is no mechanism that is of more value than it's reason for being. When there is a conflict with purpose and function, it is the function that must adapt in the service of Purpose, of justice. When the function of the mechanism takes priority over purpose, for which it was created, designed to serve, the service is corrupted by denying it's first responsibility, it's primary trust an obligation. The mechanism is corrupted, not the purpose that it fails to serve. Compound that flaw and you find yourself staring at modern government and the history of failures and corruptions that have brought us to where we are today. Tyranny, by any path is not the solution. Argue cause and effect, yet denying the evidence of poor leadership and decision making, merely diverts from realization, learning, healing, correction. Hiding from the lessons, failure upon failure, rewarding incompetence at every turn. Compounding the burden you place on the rest of us is not fair play. I don't expect you to go back in time, I expect each of us to try our best to make things right in the present. Principle is neither past, present, or future, it is timeless.
 
Why don't those who are currently running for "Con"gress want Barry Soetoro to come to their state to help with their campaigns?

If I was a Dem. I wouldn't want him. He has thrown too many under the bus. Bad, bad, bad flaw.
 
Ashamed...how about chagrined?


This is one of those hysteria-inducing explanations…it seems that in the 50’s and 60’s, Democratic support was due to a powerful and diversified network of nationally, locally, ethnically, and occupationally based organizations. And a major reason for the break-up of said network is that today, families need two incomes, and don’t have the necessary time or where-with-all to be part of such a structure…http://apsanet.org/imgtest/taskforcereport.pdf

I will read this interesting tid-bit as my time permits. Thank you.


Now, ask yourself: which party is responsible for the high taxes and big government that require both parents to be full-time workers???

It is well known that republican president Administrations are the big spenders, from which taxes are needed to pay those bills, so it is quite easy to google image and get a graph as I present here. That answers "which party" for you. I will read the article. thxs

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Please man, you make yourself look like a fool with that graph, Which completely ignores who controlled congress(the people that actually control spending)
 
Ashamed...how about chagrined?


This is one of those hysteria-inducing explanations…it seems that in the 50’s and 60’s, Democratic support was due to a powerful and diversified network of nationally, locally, ethnically, and occupationally based organizations. And a major reason for the break-up of said network is that today, families need two incomes, and don’t have the necessary time or where-with-all to be part of such a structure…http://apsanet.org/imgtest/taskforcereport.pdf

I will read this interesting tid-bit as my time permits. Thank you.


Now, ask yourself: which party is responsible for the high taxes and big government that require both parents to be full-time workers???

It is well known that republican president Administrations are the big spenders, from which taxes are needed to pay those bills, so it is quite easy to google image and get a graph as I present here. That answers "which party" for you. I will read the article. thxs

2235223387_15b05f134c.jpg

Please man, you make yourself look like a fool with that graph, Which completely ignores who controlled congress(the people that actually control spending)

Actually..no.

The President makes policy and writes budgets. The Chart is fine.
 
The fact that you would not produce the quote indicates that it would prove you the fool that you are....


The fact that you say something like this nine posts after I linked to the post in question proves what an illiterate fool you are.
I gave you ample opportunity to put your money where your mouth is, and instead you tap-dance as fast as you can.

By posting a link nine posts ago? :lol:

Analysis?

You don't know what a hyperlink is and post 182 made you feel stupid.


Or you're just still in hiding.


Possibly both.

Unable to compete with me in an honorable debate, you do exactly what a foetid merdivorous buffoon would be expected to do: to attempt to save face, make a claim you cannot back up.
Projecting again?
 

"the Constitution could be stripped off and thrown aside…
Finish the quote.

and the nation would still stand forth in the living vestment of flesh and sinew, warm with the heart-blood of one people, ready to recreate constitutions and laws."


Ah, your little servant has embarassed you by doing what you were afraid to do!


What the **** are you babbling about? Do you know how to read the screenname of a poster?
1. Now, let's cut you into little pieces before I feed you to the worms....
The quote was intended to show that Progressive President Woodrow Wilson had neither respect for the Constitution, nor intended to enforce its precepts.

Except that's not what he said at all. You tried to pretend it was via quote mining and were proven a dishonest little ****.
2. The first half..." the Constitution could be stripped off and thrown aside..."
I believe the meaning is self-evident: 'thrown aside' indicates the lack of respect it could be shown...

Fail.

Finish the quote.
Constitution:
You're the moron here
4. ... on to the second clause in the quote: "...and the nation would still stand forth in the living vestment of flesh and sinew, warm with the heart-blood of one people, ready to recreate constitutions and laws."

Did you note that the second clause contains the word 'constitutions' both plural and with lower case 'c'?

No, it doesn't you just quoted it- the second clause only says 'constitutions'- one time.

Go back to school and learn English.
Are you stupid, or merely inattentive?

Good question. Which are you?
The implication is that Wilson intended a very different proclamation, one which supports neither individual rights nor restrictions on the power of government.

Not what it says. It says that it is not mere parchment which unifies us as a single nation. You need to take some Reading Comprehension courses.
Summary:
a) The quote shows that Wilson had no respect for our Constitution, but intended to write his own.

No, it doesn't

b) You are a dolt who, like so many liberals, will not own up to his mistakes.

:lol:


You're insane
 
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"the Constitution could be stripped off and thrown aside…
Finish the quote.

and the nation would still stand forth in the living vestment of flesh and sinew, warm with the heart-blood of one people, ready to recreate constitutions and laws."


Ah, your little servant has embarassed you by doing what you were afraid to do!


What the **** are you babbling about? Do you know how to read the screenname of a poster?

Except that's not what he said at all. You tried to pretend it was via quote mining and were proven a dishonest little ****.


Fail.

Finish the quote.
You're the moron here



No, it doesn't you just quoted it- the second clause only says 'constitutions'- one time.

Go back to school and learn English.

Good question. Which are you?


Not what it says. It says that it is not mere parchment which unifies us as a single nation. You need to take some Reading Comprehension courses.
Summary:
a) The quote shows that Wilson had no respect for our Constitution, but intended to write his own.

No, it doesn't

b) You are a dolt who, like so many liberals, will not own up to his mistakes.

:lol:


You're insane

Let's see how easy it is to prove that you are not only stupid, but resistant to learning:

1. "Justly revered as our great Constitution is, it could be stripped off and thrown aside like a garment, and the nation would still stand forth in the living vestment of flesh and sinew, warm with the heart-blood of one people, ready to recreate constitutions and laws. … "Woodrow Wilson
Wilson’s belief that the Constitution was an antique absurdity. Wilson championed the idea of “the living Constitution” which enables activist judges to re-write the Constitution according to the Progressive notions of the day. —————————————————————Obama and Woodrow Wilson

How about another?

2. Justly revered as our great Constitution is, it could be stripped off and thrown aside like a garment, and the nation would still stand forth in the living vestment of flesh and sinew, warm with the heart-blood of one people, ready to recreate constitutions and laws. … Woodrow Wilson
Justly revered, but not by Wilson. He really did want to cast the founder’s Constitution aside, writing “no doubt a great deal of nonsense has been talked about the inalienable rights of the individual, and a great deal that was mere vague sentiment and pleasing speculation has been put forward as fundamental principle…” And the rights contained in it.
Wilson undoubtedly helped along the process of building the modern statist liberalism.
Karl Marx And Liberal Fascism Tarpon's Swamp

Need another kick in the butt?

3. Wilson disliked the American Constitution and said so on many occasions. He adopted enough progressive ideas to win his 1912 victory; in 1916, he bought them hook, line and sinker in order to pull most of the vote that Roosevelt won in the previous election. The Democratic platform of 1916 reads like a progressive's prayer book. Democrats were no longer the party of Jefferson; they were the Wilsonian Party, or the Progressive Party in everything but name.
Our Raped Constitution

How about another slap or two?

4. If you want to understand how the Constitution was rewritten in the 20th century by the Progressive movement, the place to start is with Woodrow Wilson....was the intellectual foundation of Progressivism and of Wilson’s belief that the Constitution was an antique absurdity. Wilson championed the idea of “the living Constitution” which enables activist judges to re-write the Constitution according to the Progressive notions of the day.
Woodrow Wilson's Constitution
by Robert Curry
Issue 112 - July 23, 2008

Here's some more, you ignorant dolt:

5. Progressive critique of the principles of the American Founding and the Founders' Constitution. Wilson, who was president of Princeton and of the American Political Science Association before becoming President of the United States, was the first Chief Executive to openly criticize the Constitution, once comparing it to "political witchcraft."
The Claremont Institute - Two New Books on Woodrow Wilson

And another, you cowardly twerp:

6. “All that progressives ask or desire is permission—in an era when "development," "evolution," is the scientific word—to interpret the Constitution according to the Darwinian principle; all they ask is recognition of the fact that a nation is a living thing and not a machine."
From Woodrow Wilson, The New Freedom: A Call for the Emancipation of the Generous Energies of a People (1913). (New York: Doubleday, Page & Company, 1913


Here, here, take a moment to catch your breath...let's play a guessing game:
Can you guess who the low class, lying, poltroon who said...

"Not what it says. It says that it is not mere parchment which unifies us as a single nation. You need to take some Reading Comprehension courses."

Did ya guess????

You are not only an idiot, but a ill-mannered buffoon. Retract your lies that I mis-quoted in any way, or accept the label of being a pantywaist coward.

Hey- I’m trying to compose my post, but you screaming ‘Mommy, make the pain stop' is soooo distracting!
 
Wow, you quoted someone accusing Wilson of believing something.

I can write a book saying you believe blacks are the best lay and that you hate America...

You're the same as every other religious nut. Arthur Koestler warned us about people like you.
Here, indeed, is the explanation of a phenomenon which has puzzled many observers. How could the intellectuals accept [this dogma]? ... The [dogmatic] novice, subjecting his soul to the canon law of[their leaders], felt something of the release which Catholicism also brings... Once the renunciation has been made, the mind, instead of operating freely, becomes the servant of a higher and unquestioned purpose. To deny the truth is an act of service. This, of course, is why it is useless to discuss any particular aspect of politics with a[n adherent of dogma]. Any genuine intellectual contact which you have with him involves a challenge to his fundamental faith, a struggle for his soul. For it is very much easier to lay the oblation of spiritual pride on the alter of [political vision] than to snatch it back again
 
I don't think Bush ever admitted being a liberal either. It's in their genes I guess.........
 
I don't think Bush ever admitted being a liberal either. It's in their genes I guess.........

In terms of race and ethnicity..Bush was pretty colorblind..and Liberal.

But in terms of most everything else..Bush's policies were very conservative.
 
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