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Because the mother fucking poor don't pay chit in taxes... What % of Americans are "poor." What % do they pay in all collected taxes?

And I don't know anyone that wants to tax the poor more, simply limit or end the welfare they don't pay for seeing as it fails to life anybody out of poverty as it's intention was.

The real question is why did you vote for someone that went to a well known racist church for 20+ years, is the least trusted President in US history, spies on anyone he wants, even allies... and recently took us back into Iraq after Bush got us out.
 

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Because the mother fucking poor don't pay chit in taxes... What % of Americans are "poor." What % do they pay in all collected taxes?

And I don't know anyone that wants to tax the poor more, simply limit or end the welfare they don't pay for seeing as it fails to life anybody out of poverty as it's intention was.

The real question is why did you vote for someone that went to a well known racist church for 20+ years, is the least trusted President in US history, spies on anyone he wants, even allies... and recently took us back into Iraq after Bush got us out.
The working poor do.
 
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Because the mother fucking poor don't pay chit in taxes... What % of Americans are "poor." What % do they pay in all collected taxes?

And I don't know anyone that wants to tax the poor more, simply limit or end the welfare they don't pay for seeing as it fails to life anybody out of poverty as it's intention was.

The real question is why did you vote for someone that went to a well known racist church for 20+ years, is the least trusted President in US history, spies on anyone he wants, even allies... and recently took us back into Iraq after Bush got us out.
If you want the poor to pay taxes, then raise the minimum wage.
 

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Yo, the American people who pay taxes deserve to keep more of there money, not the Governments money!!!
When a Republican gets elected in 2016 for President, they need to cut the maximum limit down to $15,000 a year to be eligible for welfare, and not 46,000 as it is!!!
And then start cutting every waste the Socialist Progressive Democrats started for votes!!!

"GTP"
 

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...the poor?

I'm dying to know.
The tax code was never intended to be a welfare program, that's why.
So...why doesn't that apply to the wealthy? Subsidies? Loopholes? Breaks?
Ask your congressman, they put them in, personally I would eliminate all exemptions, exclusions and deductions and everyone would pay a flat tax on every dollar earned doesn't matter if it's a hundred or a hundred million. But you shouldn't get an income tax refund if you don't pay any just because you have a rug rat you can't afford.
 

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...the poor?

I'm dying to know.
The tax code was never intended to be a welfare program, that's why.
So...why doesn't that apply to the wealthy? Subsidies? Loopholes? Breaks?
A guy who makeones a million a year, after credits and legal deductions will pay about 220,000 in income tax. Someone reaching that salary typically is at the age where his kids are grown and he's paying to send them to college.
Those getting EITC on the other hand are likely to have 4 kids in public school, they're collecting food stamps, subsidized housing and medicaid.
Now the poor family is paying sales taxes on their skittles and big macs but it costs society 60 or 70 thousand a year in education and "entitlements.
Both the rich guy and the poor folk are pretty much equal in their benefit from infrastructure fire and police services.

So why the fuck is the rich guy paying the freight for 3 or 4 poor families?
What's fair about that?
 
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Because the mother fucking poor don't pay chit in taxes... What % of Americans are "poor." What % do they pay in all collected taxes?

And I don't know anyone that wants to tax the poor more, simply limit or end the welfare they don't pay for seeing as it fails to life anybody out of poverty as it's intention was.

The real question is why did you vote for someone that went to a well known racist church for 20+ years, is the least trusted President in US history, spies on anyone he wants, even allies... and recently took us back into Iraq after Bush got us out.
If you want the poor to pay taxes, then raise the minimum wage.

Why, so that in a year they can be just as poor as they were? If raising the min wage was the answer then there already would be no problem, yet there is.
 

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I'd say the issue is the tax code, it's built to buy votes at this point in time. Giving massive tax loop holes to the rich bought the election for Obama through donations. Yet not taxing the poor and giving them more welfare also helped Obama buy votes to be elected.

We currently have a liberal utopia on paper, it's simply failing.... as was predicted.
 

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The more money one makes...the more money they put back into the economy. Think of it like this...the wealthy will pay more taxes on high priced items, property, investments and so on than people who make less. The wealthy hire people and pay salaries. Theortically, the wealthy give more to charities, contribute to social construct and invest in business.

I am more of a flat tax fan...but in the end...how much do poor people really pay in taxes. Usually, they wait for a refund.
 

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...the poor?

I'm dying to know.
Because people who earn their own money by working for it themselves
consider it to be their money first, BEFORE they pay taxes to govt.

The poor are tired of being treated as criminals for being poor.
The rich are tired of being treated as criminals for being rich.

The politicians exploit both the rich and poor from their fear of being cheated by the other.

And both parties need to separate and pay for their own programs and cost of their legislative policies
instead of making the other group feel forced to pay for things they don't believe in.

Taxpayers should only be responsible for funding govt policies we ALL agree on.
Anything we don't agree on, and/or don't trust the other parties not to screw up through govt,
should be funded separately through the party that believes in supporting such a policy.

We'd stop all the lies, propaganda, and cheating taxpayers out of our money and into debts,
if we held political parties and leaders to pay for the programs they attest will work better.

Instead, if we keep playing along with the games these politicians use, to blame the other party while getting away with wasting and abusing taxpayer money, then we can never catch the crooks. so we keep paying the bills, while parties and politicians distract us by pointing the finger at each other. If people of all parties got together, made lists of all the shenanigans we didn't agree to fund, authorize govt to spend waste or abuse, and demand restitution, refunds or credits back, we could reclaim all our tax money that has been wasted and invest those credits into financing solutions and reforms, while charging the costs back to the wrongdoers who ran up our debts like a bad credit card bill we never agreed to pay. I hope we get smart soon, and turn the tables on govt running completely amok, like a bull in a china shop, charging all the damaged and debts to us instead of going after the parties that profited off abuses of public resources, laws and authority for their own benefits.
 
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...the poor?

I'm dying to know.
Because people who earn their own money by working for it themselves
consider it to be their money first, BEFORE they pay taxes to govt.

The poor are tired of being treated as criminals for being poor.
The rich are tired of being treated as criminals for being rich.

The politicians exploit both the rich and poor from their fear of being cheated by the other.

And both parties need to separate and pay for their own programs and cost of their legislative policies
instead of making the other group feel forced to pay for things they don't believe in.

Taxpayers should only be responsible for funding govt policies we ALL agree on.
Anything we don't agree on, and/or don't trust the other parties not to screw up through govt,
should be funded separately through the party that believes in supporting such a policy.

We'd stop all the lies, propaganda, and cheating taxpayers out of our money and into debts,
if we held political parties and leaders to pay for the programs they attest will work better.

Instead, if we keep playing along with the games these politicians use, to blame the other party while getting away with wasting and abusing taxpayer money, then we can never catch the crooks. so we keep paying the bills, while parties and politicians distract us by pointing the finger at each other. If people of all parties got together, made lists of all the shenanigans we didn't agree to fund, authorize govt to spend waste or abuse, and demand restitution, refunds or credits back, we could reclaim all our tax money that has been wasted and invest those credits into financing solutions and reforms, while charging the costs back to the wrongdoers who ran up our debts like a bad credit card bill we never agreed to pay. I hope we get smart soon, and turn the tables on govt running completely amok, like a bull in a china shop, charging all the damaged and debts to us instead of going after the parties that profited off abuses of public resources, laws and authority for their own benefits.
We can do that much more simply by getting rid of social services at the federal level and letting the states manage their own welfare and education.

Do that and get back to me in 20 years. We'll compare policy and results along with the economies of Liberal vs Conservative states.
 

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...the poor?

I'm dying to know.
Because people who earn their own money by working for it themselves
consider it to be their money first, BEFORE they pay taxes to govt.

The poor are tired of being treated as criminals for being poor.
The rich are tired of being treated as criminals for being rich.

The politicians exploit both the rich and poor from their fear of being cheated by the other.

And both parties need to separate and pay for their own programs and cost of their legislative policies
instead of making the other group feel forced to pay for things they don't believe in.

Taxpayers should only be responsible for funding govt policies we ALL agree on.
Anything we don't agree on, and/or don't trust the other parties not to screw up through govt,
should be funded separately through the party that believes in supporting such a policy.

We'd stop all the lies, propaganda, and cheating taxpayers out of our money and into debts,
if we held political parties and leaders to pay for the programs they attest will work better.

Instead, if we keep playing along with the games these politicians use, to blame the other party while getting away with wasting and abusing taxpayer money, then we can never catch the crooks. so we keep paying the bills, while parties and politicians distract us by pointing the finger at each other. If people of all parties got together, made lists of all the shenanigans we didn't agree to fund, authorize govt to spend waste or abuse, and demand restitution, refunds or credits back, we could reclaim all our tax money that has been wasted and invest those credits into financing solutions and reforms, while charging the costs back to the wrongdoers who ran up our debts like a bad credit card bill we never agreed to pay. I hope we get smart soon, and turn the tables on govt running completely amok, like a bull in a china shop, charging all the damaged and debts to us instead of going after the parties that profited off abuses of public resources, laws and authority for their own benefits.
We can do that much more simply by getting rid of social services at the federal level and letting the states manage their own welfare and education.

Do that and get back to me in 20 years. We'll compare policy and results along with the economies of Liberal vs Conservative states.
Yes, and we can speed up this process by holding parties responsible for their own policies and programs they "believe" in funding. if liberals believe in handouts, they can pay for those through their own party programs and handout all they want to.

Other people have equal right to exercise charity through means that meet their standards of accountability, such as churches or nonprofit training programs that focus on healthy relations and development, and not just handing out funds rewarding people for having children as a welfare ticket.

Let people who believe in microlending practice that. Reward taxpayers for investing directly into cost-effective school programs, medical facilities and education, and internships that provide public services on a sustainable basis.

Give taxpayers a choice in what programs to fund under which type of management to serve the various populations. Many people would much rather fund churches and charities to do the work responsibly, rather than go through govt that can't be trusted not to muck things up.

If we organize and separate by party, then it won't take the whole state all voting in agreement on the same reforms to change the laws. We could agree to separate jurisdiction by party, or else sue to force a separation by "political beliefs".
and then the citizens are free to set up and fund their own programs through their party networks and membership base.

Only the programs that all citizens of that state agree to vote on should remain public will qualify for public funding, and the ones that don't remain private per citizens parties or other business, charity, school or nonprofit groups to manage locally.
 

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...the poor?

I'm dying to know.
The tax code was never intended to be a welfare program, that's why.
So...why doesn't that apply to the wealthy? Subsidies? Loopholes? Breaks?

WTF are you talking about? Specifically. We have a progressive tax system and the wealthy overwhelmingly pay the most taxes.

So again....what specific subsidies, loophools, and breaks are you talking about.
 

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The bottom 47% of wage earners pay no income taxes. Who is the sponge here?
Another Billy troll thread, based on ignorance, stupidity, and blind partisan hackery.
 

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...the poor?

I'm dying to know.
Because people who earn their own money by working for it themselves
consider it to be their money first, BEFORE they pay taxes to govt.

The poor are tired of being treated as criminals for being poor.
The rich are tired of being treated as criminals for being rich.

The politicians exploit both the rich and poor from their fear of being cheated by the other.

And both parties need to separate and pay for their own programs and cost of their legislative policies
instead of making the other group feel forced to pay for things they don't believe in.

Taxpayers should only be responsible for funding govt policies we ALL agree on.
Anything we don't agree on, and/or don't trust the other parties not to screw up through govt,
should be funded separately through the party that believes in supporting such a policy.

We'd stop all the lies, propaganda, and cheating taxpayers out of our money and into debts,
if we held political parties and leaders to pay for the programs they attest will work better.
Political parties are not legislative bodies and cannot enact or enforce law. The process to impliment that would require the rewrite of 51 Constitutions and take decades to accomplish.

Instead, if we keep playing along with the games these politicians use, to blame the other party while getting away with wasting and abusing taxpayer money, then we can never catch the crooks. so we keep paying the bills, while parties and politicians distract us by pointing the finger at each other. If people of all parties got together, made lists of all the shenanigans we didn't agree to fund, authorize govt to spend waste or abuse, and demand restitution, refunds or credits back, we could reclaim all our tax money that has been wasted and invest those credits into financing solutions and reforms, while charging the costs back to the wrongdoers who ran up our debts like a bad credit card bill we never agreed to pay. I hope we get smart soon, and turn the tables on govt running completely amok, like a bull in a china shop, charging all the damaged and debts to us instead of going after the parties that profited off abuses of public resources, laws and authority for their own benefits.
We can do that much more simply by getting rid of social services at the federal level and letting the states manage their own welfare and education.

Do that and get back to me in 20 years. We'll compare policy and results along with the economies of Liberal vs Conservative states.
Yes, and we can speed up this process by holding parties responsible for their own policies and programs they "believe" in funding. if liberals believe in handouts, they can pay for those through their own party programs and handout all they want to.

Other people have equal right to exercise charity through means that meet their standards of accountability, such as churches or nonprofit training programs that focus on healthy relations and development, and not just handing out funds rewarding people for having children as a welfare ticket.

Let people who believe in microlending practice that. Reward taxpayers for investing directly into cost-effective school programs, medical facilities and education, and internships that provide public services on a sustainable basis.

Give taxpayers a choice in what programs to fund under which type of management to serve the various populations. Many people would much rather fund churches and charities to do the work responsibly, rather than go through govt that can't be trusted not to muck things up.

If we organize and separate by party, then it won't take the whole state all voting in agreement on the same reforms to change the laws. We could agree to separate jurisdiction by party, or else sue to force a separation by "political beliefs".
and then the citizens are free to set up and fund their own programs through their party networks and membership base.

Only the programs that all citizens of that state agree to vote on should remain public will qualify for public funding, and the ones that don't remain private per citizens parties or other business, charity, school or nonprofit groups to manage locally.
Political parties are not legislative bodies and cannot enact or enforce law. The process to implement what you suggest would require the rewrite of 51 Constitutions and take decades to accomplish.
Allowing the states to administer their own social programs and education would pit Liberal policy against Conservative policy at a level sufficient to see what works and wouldn't even require a Constitutional amendment. Simply close a few federal buildings and lay off unneeded, redundant employees.
 

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The bottom 47% of wage earners pay no income taxes. Who is the sponge here?
Another Billy troll thread, based on ignorance, stupidity, and blind partisan hackery.
The Reagan and Bush tax cuts caused most of that, as well as the child tax credit,

started by the Republican Congress in 1997 and added to by Bush in 2001 and 2003.
 

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