Why do poor communities exist in America?

[danielpalos]

No, it does not. UC is not in violation of at-will employment law. No rights of any employee or employer is changed or abridged by unemployment compensation laws.

For-Cause criteria is a violation of at-will employment law.

 

[WinterBorn]

Employment at-will is not a temporary benefit. For-cause criteria is an abridgment of at-will employment laws.

I never said that at-will employment is a temporary benefit. But unemployment compensation is a temporary benefit that is available to those who lose their job through no fault of their own.

 

[WinterBorn]

Yes, it is.

No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

They don't.

Let me break it down for you.

"No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States;" - Nothing in the unemployment compensation laws abridges the rights of the worker to quit at any time, or the employer to terminate an employee at any time. Nothing.

"nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;" - No state deprives anyone of life, liberty or property, without due process by having UC available for those who lose their job through not fault of their own.

"nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws." - The laws governing unemployment compensation do not deny any person the equal protection of at-will employment laws. All employees are still free to quit, strike, or otherwise cease work at any time.

 

[WinterBorn]

For-Cause criteria is a violation of at-will employment law.

No it is not. Does unemployment compensation mean employees cannot quit, strike or otherwise cease work? No it does not. It also does not mean employers cannot terminate an employee at any time, for any reason or no reason.

 

[danielpalos]

I never said that at-will employment is a temporary benefit. But unemployment compensation is a temporary benefit that is available to those who lose their job through no fault of their own.

In an at-will employment State? It is an abridgment of at-will employment laws that favors the Rich at the expense of the Poor.

 

[danielpalos]

They don't.

Let me break it down for you.

"No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States;" - Nothing in the unemployment compensation laws abridges the rights of the worker to quit at any time, or the employer to terminate an employee at any time. Nothing.

"nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;" - No state deprives anyone of life, liberty or property, without due process by having UC available for those who lose their job through not fault of their own.

"nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws." - The laws governing unemployment compensation do not deny any person the equal protection of at-will employment laws. All employees are still free to quit, strike, or otherwise cease work at any time.

With no legal or moral prejudice?

 

[danielpalos]

No it is not. Does unemployment compensation mean employees cannot quit, strike or otherwise cease work? No it does not. It also does not mean employers cannot terminate an employee at any time, for any reason or no reason.

It means they are abridged in their privileges and immunities in an at-will employment State by requiring Cause. That is unequal protection of the laws. Do employers Have to hire someone who has expired their unemployment benefits? Why not if the law is so equal?

 

[WinterBorn]

In an at-will employment State? It is an abridgment of at-will employment laws that favors the Rich at the expense of the Poor.

No it is not and does not.

It does not abridge the at-will employment laws one iota. The laws still apply.

And it does not favor the rich at the expense of the poor. It favors the honest worker. That is all it does.

 

[danielpalos]

No it is not and does not.

It does not abridge the at-will employment laws one iota. The laws still apply.

And it does not favor the rich at the expense of the poor. It favors the honest worker. That is all it does.

Yes, it does. The at-will employment laws must also apply to unemployment compensation. Otherwise it is a simple and repugnant Abridgment.

 

[WinterBorn]

It means they are abridged in their privileges and immunities in an at-will employment State by requiring Cause. That is unequal protection of the laws. Do employers Have to hire someone who has expired their unemployment benefits? Why not if the law is so equal?

The at-will employment laws say that an employer hires at will. So the fact that they do not HAVE to hire someone who has used up their unemployment benefits means that there is no violation of the at-will employment laws. If the UC law required that an employer hire someone after their benefits expired, THAT would be a violation of the at-will employment laws.

 

[WinterBorn]

Yes, it does. The at-will employment laws must also apply to unemployment compensation. Otherwise it is a simple and repugnant Abridgment.

No, they do not. The at-will employment laws still stand.

 

[WinterBorn]

With no legal or moral prejudice?

The unemployment compensation does not effect the at-will employment laws. There is no legal or moral prejudice at all, because the UC does not effect the at-will employment laws at all.

Are employees unable to quit, strike, or otherwise cease work because of the unemployment laws? No.
Are employers unable to terminate an employee for any reason or no reason because of unemployment laws? No.

No rights are abridged by UC laws.

 

[WinterBorn]

It means they are abridged in their privileges and immunities in an at-will employment State by requiring Cause. That is unequal protection of the laws. Do employers Have to hire someone who has expired their unemployment benefits? Why not if the law is so equal?

Exactly what rights, under the at-will employment laws, are changed or abridged. Is anyone unable to quit their job? Is any employer unable to terminate someone at any time for any reason, or no reason?

 

[danielpalos]

The at-will employment laws say that an employer hires at will. So the fact that they do not HAVE to hire someone who has used up their unemployment benefits means that there is no violation of the at-will employment laws. If the UC law required that an employer hire someone after their benefits expired, THAT would be a violation of the at-will employment laws.

Simply requiring Cause in an at-will employment State for unemployment compensation is an abridgment of the law regarding employment at will. No Cause is required to quit. That is the privilege and immunity established by the Law. Thus, no public policy can abridge that law for unemployment compensation in an at-will employment State.

 

[danielpalos]

Exactly what rights, under the at-will employment laws, are changed or abridged. Is anyone unable to quit their job? Is any employer unable to terminate someone at any time for any reason, or no reason?

Thus, no State can change those conditions in an at-will employment State via public policy. Any person can quit at any time for no reason even for unemployment compensation in an at-will employment State, unless extra-Constitutional laws are enacted which abridge those established at-will conditions.

 

[WinterBorn]

Simply requiring Cause in an at-will employment State for unemployment compensation is an abridgment of the law regarding employment at will. No Cause is required to quit. That is the privilege and immunity established by the Law. Thus, no public policy can abridge that law for unemployment compensation in an at-will employment State.

No cause is required to quit. But the at-will employment laws do not say anything at all about any benefits afforded those who do not quit, and lose their job due to no fault of their own.

The at-will employment laws are not abridged by UC.

 

[WinterBorn]

Thus, no State can change those conditions in an at-will employment State via public policy. Any person can quit at any time for no reason even for unemployment compensation in an at-will employment State, unless extra-Constitutional laws are enacted which abridge those established at-will conditions.

Any person can quit at any time. That is covered by the at-will employment laws. Any benefits afford to those who do not quit are not covered by the at-will employment laws. Unemployment compensation benefits are not mentioned at all.

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

I live in the UK.
I can read perfectly OK.
I've decided to read the complete OP.
There's even more bullshit in it than I first gave you credit for.

Government's don't create dangerous neighborhoods. This is my problem with idiots like you, you think you are clever with the way you type but you actually don't have the first clue. Bad people make bad neighborhoods. The tools are there and there's nothing stopping ANY of your minority brethren making something of themselves.

Go and familiarise yourself with a certain Mr Martin Luther King - he was saying even back at the height of Civil Rights Movement that blacks and minorities need to take responsibility and drop the hood/ghetto culture they all embrace and use the tools given to them to integrate properly to help create true equality.

Maybe instead of blaming Governments and straw men point your college kid fingers at the individuals instead and allocate some personal responsibility.

Blaming others for their mistakes is the easy way out for those Moral Narcissists.

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

Oh, another similar ploy they use frequently in addition to blaming others for their mistakes........

Offering freebies for votes at your expense....but never theirs.
They would nonchalantly give away their mothers if it meant personal gain for themselves.
Of course giving away their nation and ratting out a neighbor is a non issue...any time, every time.

As you correctly pointed out, these socially destructive heathens see only themselves as the center of the Universe and their personal gain omnipotent.
They have been using and abusing the poor people they use as a tool to this day, and yet the poor seem to fall for their next trick and faux handout every time.

 

[danielpalos]

No cause is required to quit. But the at-will employment laws do not say anything at all about any benefits afforded those who do not quit, and lose their job due to no fault of their own.

The at-will employment laws are not abridged by UC.

EDD has to prove for-cause employment existed to impose for-cause criteria otherwise it is an abridgment of at-will employment law.