Why do liberals say secession is TREASON?

[candycorn]

Bring it on.

 

[there4eyeM]

Fighting against the country one had voluntarily become part of is the definition of treason.

Fighting to preserve a slave-based economy is inhuman.

 

[bripat9643]

Treason has a specific meaning. Secession, in and of itself, does not fall under it.
18 U.S. Code 2381 - Treason US Law LII Legal Information Institute

I agree. Treason wasn't committed until the South opened fire on Fort. Sumter.

That still wasn't treason. Try reading the definition in the Constitution.

Oh it's the old, don't call it the war between the states argument. Whatever.

That isn't even close to what I said.

 

[bripat9643]

Fighting against the country one had voluntarily become part of is the definition of treason.

Fighting to preserve a slave-based economy is inhuman.

Lincoln invaded Virginia, numskull. He is the one who made war on the states. He is the one guilty of treason.

Lincoln cult members don't even care about the facts. They just keep repeating the same lies over and over again.

 

[bripat9643]

Is it treason for a state to ignore a federal law? Colorado legalized pot, even though it's still a federal crime. Nevada allows prostitution, which is also a federal crime. Arizona refuses to comply with the federal government's immigration policies, and several other states are considering nullifying federal gun laws.

And even though same-sex marriage is now the "law of the land", sodomy is still illegal in 14 states.

Ignore federal law or decide to leave the Union?
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You do not get it. If you disagree with blacks and women being able to vote, you are a disgusting individual but not necessarily treasonous. You disagree with the law of the land and you want to undermine the union you are treasonous.
I don't think you are treasonous but you are a disgusting human being. God help you.

Wrong. Secession isn't treason. End of story.

 

[bripat9643]

When you are a member of a club you have the right to leave whenever you wish. That's what the original 13 colonies did and that's what the confederate states did in 1861. Naturally the central authorities don't like it, but what moral argument can they muster to keep you bound.?

Why is leaving the union considered treason?
Are you an idiot? Of course it is treason.; treason to the union. The union survived, those who attempted to leave but failed are treasonous.
With that said I wouldn't mind if a few states committed treason and left the union; Texas and Mississippi in particular.
I do not know where you live but please commit treason and leave for all of our sake.

Read the Constitution, numskull. See how it defines treason. Your theory on the matter is pure horseshit.

 

[bripat9643]

The southerners who participated in the confederacy and the war were officially regarded guilty of treason by the United States and the courts of the United States. They were given amnesty and officially pardoned by President Johnson on Christmas day, December 25, 1868.

www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=72360

You can believe the crude little boy giving you the finger or official historical records. Your choice, it's a free country.

Horseshit. When was any Confederate ever charged with or convicted of treason? The so-called "pardon" was purely a political act. It had no legal significance.

Actually finger boy, the pardon was given as protection to southern participants in the war and to foster reconciliation. People don't have to be found guilty or even charged with crimes to receive pardons. A legal scholar is not something you should claim to be. Below is a link explaining why the confederates were guilty of treason. Go to the final section at the bottom of the page and you can see how the treason charges were being used in civil cases, hence the protection needed by the pardon and amnesty declaration. You can even look up some of the cases and go into the details and ruling of the cases. The confederates were officially regarded as traitors during and after the war. All your talk is just wishful gibberish. You are just talking out of your ass and giving uninformed opinions.

law.onecle.com/constitution/article-3/41-levying-war.html

In other words, the federal government never attempted to prosecute anyone for treason. The South did not make war on any of the states, so the claim of treason is obviously fallacious, it doesn't matter what bogus argument the court conjures up. Just as we all know that four words "established by the state" does not mean "established by the federal government."

 

[my2¢]

Treason has a specific meaning. Secession, in and of itself, does not fall under it.
18 U.S. Code 2381 - Treason US Law LII Legal Information Institute

I agree. Treason wasn't committed until the South opened fire on Fort. Sumter.

That still wasn't treason. Try reading the definition in the Constitution.

Oh it's the old, don't call it the war between the states argument. Whatever.

That isn't even close to what I said.

But Constitutionally speaking, it's the only leg you have to stand on if for a moment you think the South's attack upon Fort Sumter held by the northern states wasn't an act of treason. If Lee was ever charged, he'd hang for sure if you were his lawyer. Luckily the north needed these former beaten southern leaders who'd learn their lesson.

 

[bripat9643]

Treason has a specific meaning. Secession, in and of itself, does not fall under it.
18 U.S. Code 2381 - Treason US Law LII Legal Information Institute

I agree. Treason wasn't committed until the South opened fire on Fort. Sumter.

That still wasn't treason. Try reading the definition in the Constitution.

Oh it's the old, don't call it the war between the states argument. Whatever.

That isn't even close to what I said.

But Constitutionally speaking, it's the only leg you have to stand on if for a moment you think the South's attack upon Fort Sumter held by the northern states wasn't an act of treason. If Lee was ever charged, he'd hang for sure if you were his lawyer. Luckily the north needed these former beaten southern leaders who'd learn their lesson.

Ft Sumter was within the boundaries of South Carolina, numskull. It was not part of any Northern State. It was owned by the federal government.

It's sad that the Lincoln cult can't even get the basic facts under discussion correct.

 

[bodecea]

When you are a member of a club you have the right to leave whenever you wish. That's what the original 13 colonies did and that's what the confederate states did in 1861. Naturally the central authorities don't like it, but what moral argument can they muster to keep you bound.?

It wasn't the secession that was treason...it was the starting a war by firing on a federal installation.

 

[bripat9643]

When you are a member of a club you have the right to leave whenever you wish. That's what the original 13 colonies did and that's what the confederate states did in 1861. Naturally the central authorities don't like it, but what moral argument can they muster to keep you bound.?

It wasn't the secession that was treason...it was the starting a war by firing on a federal installation.

Sorry, that wasn't treason. The federal government has no right to maintain military outposts in the middle of foreign countries that don't want them there.

 

[Camp]

Fighting against the country one had voluntarily become part of is the definition of treason.

Fighting to preserve a slave-based economy is inhuman.

Lincoln invaded Virginia, numskull. He is the one who made war on the states. He is the one guilty of treason.

Lincoln cult members don't even care about the facts. They just keep repeating the same lies over and over again.

Lincoln did not invade Virginia. Virginia was part of the United Stated and their secession was not recognized as valid or legal. You can not invade your own country. You are fighting the war over again. Your side lost.
A southern Army had massed in Virginia only a march away from the nations capitol. Federal troops were dispatched to confront the Army that posed a threat to the capitol. They were under no obligation to wait for the Virginia force to continue on the the capitol and post troops withing rifle shot of the citizens of Washington DC. In fact, the White House and other government buildings would have been within cannon shot of the southern army. Hence, it is fair to view the Union troops moving to confront the southern troops as a reasonable, legal and appropriate defensive posture. The southern army were the aggressors for moving an offensive force in the direction and approaching firing range of the Capitol of the United States. This to say nothing of the US forces legal right to move troops wherever they wanted to within it's territory and Virginia being within their territory.
And there is no "Lincoln Cult". He is a beloved President with Memorials honoring him across the nation. He is portrayed on our money and rated as one of our greatest Presidents for saving the Union and the United States of America as we know it. The cultist are the ones like you who worship the former enemies and traitors to America called the confederacy. You belong to the small pissy little cult that has been an annoyance and pain in the ass for far to long. Your flag was taken down by force in South Carolina just a few hours ago. Time for you idiots to get the message. The south will not rise again.

 

[gipper]

When you are a member of a club you have the right to leave whenever you wish. That's what the original 13 colonies did and that's what the confederate states did in 1861. Naturally the central authorities don't like it, but what moral argument can they muster to keep you bound.?

It wasn't the secession that was treason...it was the starting a war by firing on a federal installation.

This kind of logic has been completely discredited, but the lincoln cult never learns.

1. Lincoln set up events at Ft Sumter and used them to start the war, which easily dupes the cultist even today.
2. Is killing 850k Americans and destroying half the nation justified because SC militia fired on a federal fort, in which no one was killed? It does if you are a dunce (aka Lincoln Cultist)
3. Secession was always a right of the states, until Dishonest Abe killed anyone who wished to secede.
4. The definition of treason is killing fellow Americans...hence Lincoln committed treason.
5. Had Lincoln NOT invaded there would have been no war....this fact is conveniently ignored by the willfully ignorant Lincoln cultist.

If only they would accept the facts, rather than lies. Can't fix stupid!!!

 

[there4eyeM]

Treason is treason.

 

[Fishlore]

Why do conservatives insist on having kids in school pledge allegiance to "one nation, indivisible ?

 

[IsaacNewton]

Why do conservatives insist on having kids in school pledge allegiance to "one nation, indivisible ?

OUCH!! That one hits home doesn't it? They swoon and gnash teeth on Faux News over the pledge. Which was in fact a socialist writing originally.

 

[Camp]

When you are a member of a club you have the right to leave whenever you wish. That's what the original 13 colonies did and that's what the confederate states did in 1861. Naturally the central authorities don't like it, but what moral argument can they muster to keep you bound.?

It wasn't the secession that was treason...it was the starting a war by firing on a federal installation.

This kind of logic has been completely discredited, but the lincoln cult never learns.

1. Lincoln set up events at Ft Sumter and used them to start the war, which easily dupes the cultist even today.

To funny. The island that became Fort Sumter didn't exist until the US built it on a sand bar with 70.000 tons of New England granite. It was begun in 1829 as a response to the war of 1812 as protection against future hostilities from foreign attack and threats. After over 30 years of federal investment and a boost to the local economy, the confederacy decided to tell the owners to get out at the threat of violence. No courts, just a demand to vacate after the facility had become operational.
Some how, this guy thinks Lincoln was a time traveler and began setting this whole thing up 30 years before he became President.

 

[bripat9643]

Why do conservatives insist on having kids in school pledge allegiance to "one nation, indivisible ?

I don't know. Some commie invented the pledge. It's thoroughly fascist.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

Why do liberals say secession is TREASON?

Because those states who would secede are the one's that pay the welfare tab... and absent that cultural drag, those state economies would EXPLODE in production, thus prosperity creating an exodus from the Leftist states... leaving the welfare to riot, destroy and inevitably to starve to death, or die as a consequence of raids into the newest configuration of America.

 

[occupied]

When you are a member of a club you have the right to leave whenever you wish. That's what the original 13 colonies did and that's what the confederate states did in 1861. Naturally the central authorities don't like it, but what moral argument can they muster to keep you bound.?

It is treason because you instantly become an enemy of the United States. That was easy.