Why do liberals say secession is TREASON?

[LoneLaugher]

Love the way American patriots are such quitters.

 

[Camp]

When you are a member of a club you have the right to leave whenever you wish. That's what the original 13 colonies did and that's what the confederate states did in 1861. Naturally the central authorities don't like it, but what moral argument can they muster to keep you bound.?

I think that Lincoln made a very good decision not to call the attack by Southern Americans on the United States treason.

While it did meet the definition of treason- it was better for the country not to call it treason.

Wrong, numskull, it doesn't come close to the definition of treason. Try actually reading the definition in the Constitution where it's defined, ignoranus

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The constitution gives an exact definition of treason. Levying war is one of them. Firing on federal facilities and troops was an act of war.

 

[hazlnut]

When you are a member of a club you have the right to leave whenever you wish. That's what the original 13 colonies did and that's what the confederate states did in 1861. Naturally the central authorities don't like it, but what moral argument can they muster to keep you bound.?

When you leave a club, you may owe outstanding dues. And if you attacked the club's pool, let's say, and held the lifeguards hostage, then declared yourself a new club... and all the other foreign clubs didn't recognize you as a legitimate club because of the way things went down... Then you're a traitor.

 

[hazlnut]

Secession in and of itself is not treason.

But the Southerners calling themselves secessionists were guilty of treason against the U.S.

 

[Clementine]

When you are a member of a club you have the right to leave whenever you wish. That's what the original 13 colonies did and that's what the confederate states did in 1861. Naturally the central authorities don't like it, but what moral argument can they muster to keep you bound.?

The left is only up in arms about this because states have talked about it in order to get away from liberal policies, which are slowly eroding our freedom and liberty.

The fact that some states have thought about this in recent years is a direct result of the oppressive liberal policies that are being implemented.

Our forefathers, thankfully, committed treason to get away from an oppressive government because they had the desire to live in a free country. People are still willing to do that. Of course, dictators hate it when people would fight against living under a tyrant.

 

[bripat9643]

When you are a member of a club you have the right to leave whenever you wish. That's what the original 13 colonies did and that's what the confederate states did in 1861. Naturally the central authorities don't like it, but what moral argument can they muster to keep you bound.?

I think that Lincoln made a very good decision not to call the attack by Southern Americans on the United States treason.

While it did meet the definition of treason- it was better for the country not to call it treason.

Wrong, numskull, it doesn't come close to the definition of treason. Try actually reading the definition in the Constitution where it's defined, ignoranus

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The constitution gives an exact definition of treason. Levying war is one of them. Firing on federal facilities and troops was an act of war.

Wrongo, asshole. Firing on anything or anyone within the borders of your own territory is never an act of war. According to you Poland started WW II. Hitler orders his tanks into Poland, and then the Poles fired on them. According to you theory that makes Poland the aggressor.

Also, keep in mind that the Constitution says "levying war against the states" is treason. Note the use of the plural "states." Ft Sumter was not part of any state except South Carolina. Even if you concede that it was federal territory, obviously a ridiculous premise, it still wasn't part of any other state. Therefore, no treason

 

[bripat9643]

Secession in and of itself is not treason.

But the Southerners calling themselves secessionists were guilty of treason against the U.S.

NOT.

 

[bripat9643]

When you are a member of a club you have the right to leave whenever you wish. That's what the original 13 colonies did and that's what the confederate states did in 1861. Naturally the central authorities don't like it, but what moral argument can they muster to keep you bound.?

When you leave a club, you may owe outstanding dues. And if you attacked the club's pool, let's say, and held the lifeguards hostage, then declared yourself a new club... and all the other foreign clubs didn't recognize you as a legitimate club because of the way things went down... Then you're a traitor.

You can't be a traitor to a club, moron. South Carolina didn't hold any hostages, and if other club members are trespassing on your property you have every right to use force to kick them out. Whether your club is legitimate isn't determined by what other clubs believe, especially foreign clubs. When you leave a club nothing requires you to join another.

 

[my2¢]

Treason has a specific meaning. Secession, in and of itself, does not fall under it.
18 U.S. Code 2381 - Treason US Law LII Legal Information Institute

I agree. Treason wasn't committed until the South opened fire on Fort. Sumter.

 

[Camp]

The southerners who participated in the confederacy and the war were officially regarded guilty of treason by the United States and the courts of the United States. They were given amnesty and officially pardoned by President Johnson on Christmas day, December 25, 1868.

www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=72360

You can believe the crude little boy giving you the finger or official historical records. Your choice, it's a free country.

 

[bripat9643]

Treason has a specific meaning. Secession, in and of itself, does not fall under it.
18 U.S. Code 2381 - Treason US Law LII Legal Information Institute

I agree. Treason wasn't committed until the South opened fire on Fort. Sumter.

That still wasn't treason. Try reading the definition in the Constitution.

 

[bripat9643]

The southerners who participated in the confederacy and the war were officially regarded guilty of treason by the United States and the courts of the United States. They were given amnesty and officially pardoned by President Johnson on Christmas day, December 25, 1868.

www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=72360

You can believe the crude little boy giving you the finger or official historical records. Your choice, it's a free country.

Horseshit. When was any Confederate ever charged with or convicted of treason? The so-called "pardon" was purely a political act. It had no legal significance.

 

[my2¢]

Treason has a specific meaning. Secession, in and of itself, does not fall under it.
18 U.S. Code 2381 - Treason US Law LII Legal Information Institute

I agree. Treason wasn't committed until the South opened fire on Fort. Sumter.

That still wasn't treason. Try reading the definition in the Constitution.

Oh it's the old, don't call it the war between the states argument. Whatever.

 

[Camp]

The southerners who participated in the confederacy and the war were officially regarded guilty of treason by the United States and the courts of the United States. They were given amnesty and officially pardoned by President Johnson on Christmas day, December 25, 1868.

www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=72360

You can believe the crude little boy giving you the finger or official historical records. Your choice, it's a free country.

Horseshit. When was any Confederate ever charged with or convicted of treason? The so-called "pardon" was purely a political act. It had no legal significance.

Actually finger boy, the pardon was given as protection to southern participants in the war and to foster reconciliation. People don't have to be found guilty or even charged with crimes to receive pardons. A legal scholar is not something you should claim to be. Below is a link explaining why the confederates were guilty of treason. Go to the final section at the bottom of the page and you can see how the treason charges were being used in civil cases, hence the protection needed by the pardon and amnesty declaration. You can even look up some of the cases and go into the details and ruling of the cases. The confederates were officially regarded as traitors during and after the war. All your talk is just wishful gibberish. You are just talking out of your ass and giving uninformed opinions.

law.onecle.com/constitution/article-3/41-levying-war.html

 

[LeftofLeft]

When you are a member of a club you have the right to leave whenever you wish. That's what the original 13 colonies did and that's what the confederate states did in 1861. Naturally the central authorities don't like it, but what moral argument can they muster to keep you bound.?

Liberals trash the South. When the South says it wants to leave, Liberals demand that they stay.

 

[ElmerMudd]

When you are a member of a club you have the right to leave whenever you wish. That's what the original 13 colonies did and that's what the confederate states did in 1861. Naturally the central authorities don't like it, but what moral argument can they muster to keep you bound.?

Why is leaving the union considered treason?
Are you an idiot? Of course it is treason.; treason to the union. The union survived, those who attempted to leave but failed are treasonous.
With that said I wouldn't mind if a few states committed treason and left the union; Texas and Mississippi in particular.
I do not know where you live but please commit treason and leave for all of our sake.

 

[JGalt]

Is it treason for a state to ignore a federal law? Colorado legalized pot, even though it's still a federal crime. Nevada allows prostitution, which is also a federal crime. Arizona refuses to comply with the federal government's immigration policies, and several other states are considering nullifying federal gun laws.

And even though same-sex marriage is now the "law of the land", sodomy is still illegal in 14 states.

 

[ElmerMudd]

Is it treason for a state to ignore a federal law? Colorado legalized pot, even though it's still a federal crime. Nevada allows prostitution, which is also a federal crime. Arizona refuses to comply with the federal government's immigration policies, and several other states are considering nullifying federal gun laws.

And even though same-sex marriage is now the "law of the land", sodomy is still illegal in 14 states.

Ignore federal law or decide to leave the Union?
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You do not get it. If you disagree with blacks and women being able to vote, you are a disgusting individual but not necessarily treasonous. You disagree with the law of the land and you want to undermine the union you are treasonous.
I don't think you are treasonous but you are a disgusting human being. God help you.

 

[JGalt]

Is it treason for a state to ignore a federal law? Colorado legalized pot, even though it's still a federal crime. Nevada allows prostitution, which is also a federal crime. Arizona refuses to comply with the federal government's immigration policies, and several other states are considering nullifying federal gun laws.

And even though same-sex marriage is now the "law of the land", sodomy is still illegal in 14 states.

Ignore federal law or decide to leave the Union?
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You do not get it. If you disagree with blacks and women being able to vote, you are a disgusting individual but not necessarily treasonous. You disagree with the law of the land and you want to undermine the union you are treasonous.
I don't think you are treasonous but you are a disgusting human being. God help you.

Well thank you very much.

If you believe in breaking states laws by sodomizing your neighbor, smoking yourself silly, or hanging out in a Nevada whorehouse, I find you equally disgusting.

However, I don't think God will be very helpful, He kinda frowns on that kind of stuff, ya know?

 

[GHook93]

When you are a member of a club you have the right to leave whenever you wish. That's what the original 13 colonies did and that's what the confederate states did in 1861. Naturally the central authorities don't like it, but what moral argument can they muster to keep you bound.?

That is because it is! It is the worst kind of treason. That is what the confederate flag represents to me!