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C_Clayton_Jones
I think the term CCJones used best describes it:
LOADED -- I think that is the best way to put it. Very good.
People attach their own projected emotions about things onto whatever they say, either hyping things up or down. They ask LOADED questions, and then complain when they get biased responses.
To get to the root of what they MEAN, sometimes these layers have to be peeled back and focus on the core.
If we judged people for how they dress up their statements, we'd never communicate. We'd go in circles.
I notice liberal minds tend to be better at analyzing critically, and sorting out the biases on both sides.
While the conservative speakers are better at taking a point and PUNCHING it without apology.
What if we could have both, working together? What if the critical analysis and deconstructionist approach of liberals was used to pick apart all the motivations and conflicts going into a situation, instead of lumping them together. And then if the conservative approach takes the solutions and push for those as the key focus.
If we don't work together, we end up with the opposite. Liberals who pick things apart and leave the car in shambles on the garage floor where we cannot drive or get anything done. Or Conservatives who want to railroad or ram things, either yes or no by absolutes, and won't listen either when something needs fixing.
How can we use our skills to help each other to be more effective and focus on corrections and solutions?
Really....that is how you see the 2 sides.....flip them....and you would be closer to being accurate.....
EXACTLY
2aguy! It's Mutual,
both sides project their bias and wonder why the other side is doing that.
When we figure out the biases are mutually projected
then we can work together to undo those layers and get to the core of what we really want underneath.
We can separate what we agree on, with what we are afraid of and want to avoid,
and find ways to achieve the same goals, without those harmful side effects causing both sides to react.
Exactly, thanks!
I know you are trying to find a good way to go about this.....you don't really understand the nature of the two sides.....I have studied both sides for 28 years.....I have seen how each side behaves and I will tell you....you are wrong....those who support increasing the size and control of the central government to handle problems are at their core dishonest, and willing to do anything to achieve that end.......
If you don't see that yet....you need to keep studying things......
Hi
2aguy as a Democrat caught in the middle of this habit of relying on politicians, party and govt,
I've been working on this DIRECTLY with fellow Democrats and Obama supporters "who don't get it."
What I find is needed is direct education and experience, training citizens to run their own government.
If they don't have sense of ownership, from the land and taxes on up, they can't understand how much responsibility and POWER they have. I found a poster on here with no clue that the laws empower citizens with govt authority. So that's where I begin, working with the people on the level they are starting at.
I believe what is going to happen is using the parties to organize people by issues and even classes of development. There is no reason to govern the independent managers who can run a whole town or city, creating jobs and internships for students to train for leadership or office, with the same babified rules of newbies who are first becoming independent and learning to run a household without getting kicked out on the street or depending on welfare.
Why not separate these programs by party, and allow citizens to enroll in the type of program they need?
Why take the welfare programs and force these on everyone?
That's like taking elementary school rules and making the post doctoral people give up their liberties to follow when they could be teaching the principals and teachers how to run a K through 12 program.
We are heading for major reforms, and I believe the parties are the key to separating out these different approaches to govt because people are in DIFFERENT stages of development.
We can't have 6th graders fighting with college students on what are the rules of the classroom
and deciding these by majority rule vote of the students. We need to sit down, and sort out where
different groups and approaches best address different audiences, and find a way to maximize
resources to make that work effectively and sustainably.
I have suggested a campus model for organizing communities to be self-governing.
Start training people in legal, financial and business/property mgmt and govt,
and then we can have better educated voters as well as trained future leaders BEFORE they run for office.
So they have experience managing cities, counties or even states before trying to run for federal offices.
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