francoHFW
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Benghazi was mainly a CIA base and they didn't want to call attention to it, or the MISSION. But carry on, dupes of the gigantic Pub Propaganda Machine and the cowardly, controversy mad corporate media. Bye bye journalism...
Why did Stevens turn down more protection for Benghazi??
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Yurt
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why not try and read the thread where i posted more than once that this is likely false, even the OP link has a senator saying it is false.
and really, why don't you loony liberals get your talking points straight...is it the pubs fault or the ambassador's fault?
Yurt
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francoHFW
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and started a thread on it.
NOBODY'S FAULT, dipshyttes. A tragedy like the twelve embassy attacks under Bush, ya GD hater dupes. tyvm.
NOBODY'S FAULT, dipshyttes. A tragedy like the twelve embassy attacks under Bush, ya GD hater dupes. tyvm.
francoHFW
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Bush's fault for starting the stupidest wars EVER and producing MILLIONS of jihadists. GOP, always a catastrophe.
CrusaderFrank
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Obama Fluffers are the biggest ******* liars
depotoo
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truth is not in their vocabulary.
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5 years into the Practical joke known as the "Obama Presidency" and the Useful Idiots are still blaming Booooooooooooooooooosh
Missourian
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All out panic for liberals..."throw everything at the wall and God help us, please let something stick."
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The Benghazi facility was a diplomatic facility. The CIA base was the Annex and it was a mile away. That was the base where Woods, Smith and Dougherty were. They left the Annex and went to the facility where they tried to get the people there to safety. They rescued about 30, but could not rescue Ambassador Stevens and they died in the attempt.
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There is no substance or validation to the story. You have two anonymous sources 8 months after the event. Why not 30 days after the Terrorist 9-11-12 attack? This is not only lacking substance, but form as well.
tinydancer
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Oh stop with the budget bullshit. Man oh man. I want to make it a sticky just to stop the lies you libs tell on a day to day basis.
But would more money have prevented the attacks?
Apparently not, at least according to one senior State Department official who would certainly seem to know.
In testimony Wednesday before the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, Charlene Lamb, a deputy assistant secretary of state for diplomatic security, was asked:
“Was there any budget consideration and lack of budget which led you not to increase the number of people in the security force there?”
Lamb responded, “No, sir.”
Recall that Lamb is the person who denied requests from the top diplomatic security officer in Libya to retain a 16-man team of military personnel who had been protecting diplomats.
Are Budget Cuts to Blame for Benghazi Attack, as Biden Suggested? - The Daily Beast
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How many lies will Obama Fluffers tell to defends their Messiah?
1. The Republicans cut Embassy Funding
2. Stevens Turned down additional security
Anyone see how 1 & 2 are mutually exclusive?
1. The Republicans cut Embassy Funding
2. Stevens Turned down additional security
Anyone see how 1 & 2 are mutually exclusive?
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squeeze berry
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Obama's gun control plan?
CrusaderFrank
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You left out "Booooooooooooooooooooosh"
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Yeah in effect at Benghazi. See how great it worked?
tinydancer
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Now it's blame the victim. And lie, lie, lie, and lie some more.
Jake Tapper
Oct 19, 2012 3:22pm
gty us embassy benghazi ll 121019 wblog Documents Back Up Claims of Requests for Greater Security in Benghazi
Republicans on the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform have released new documents backing up claims by security personnel previously station in Libya that there was a shortage of security personnel in Benghazi.
The documents contain previously unreleased cables from Ambassador Stevens and his staff reflecting concerns about safety in the country.
The U.S. State Department did not have an immediate comment.
One signed by Stevens and titled “LIBYA’S FRAGILE SECURITY DETERIORIATES AS TRIBAL RIVALRIES, POWER PLAYS AND EXTREMISM INTENSIFY,” dated June 25, 2012, assess the increase in violence.
”From April to June, Libya also witnesses an increase in attacks targeting international organizations and foreign interests,” Stevens wrote, describing attacks on a United Nations official in Benghazi, International Committee for the Red Cross buildings in Benghazi and Misrata, and IED at the mission in Benghazi, and RPG fired at the British Ambassador’s convoy, and an attack on the consulate of Tunisia.
A Libyan government national security official told Stevens “that the attacks were the work of extremists who are opposed to western influence in Libya. A number of local contacts agreed, noting that Islamic extremism appears to be on the rise in eastern Libya and that the Al-Qaeda flag has been spotted several times flying over government buildings and training facilities in Derna,” a village to the east in Benghazi. Other contacts disagreed with that assessment, however.
Another cable from Stevens, titled “The Guns of August; security in eastern Libya” and dated August 8, 2012, states “Since the eve of the (July) elections, Benghazi has moved from trepidation to euphoria and back as a series of violent incidents has dominated the political landscape during the Ramadan holiday.” Stevens describes the incidents as “organized, but this is not an organized campaign.” The Supreme Security Council, the interim security force, he says, “has not coalesced into a stabilizing force and provides little deterrence.”
Stevens wrote that the people of Benghazi want a security apparatus but “inherently fear abuse by the same authorities. This debate, playing out daily in Benghazi, has created the security vacuum that a diverse group of independent actors are exploiting for their own purposes.”
A cable signed by Stevens on the day of his murder, September 11, described a meeting with the Acting Principal Officer of the Supreme Security Council in Benghazi, commander Fawzi Younis, who “expressed growing frustration with police and security forces (who were too weak to keep the country secure)…”
The documents also included an “ACTION MEMO” for Under Secretary of State for Management Patrick Kennedy dated December 27, 2011, and written by US Assistant Secretary of State for Near Eastern Affairs Jeffrey Feltman.
With the subject line: “Future of Operations in Benghazi, Libya,” the memo states: “With the full complement of five Special Agents, our permanent presence would include eight U.S. direct hire employees.”
This would seem to suggest that Undersecretary Kennedy had approved a plan for five permanent security agents in Benghazi, but that never happened.
It should be noted that there were ultimately a total of five Diplomatic Security Agents in Benghazi that night since there were two stationed at the Benghazi compound, and three escorted Ambassador Chris Stevens to the compound.
Much more at the link.
Documents Back Up Claims of Requests for Greater Security in Benghazi - ABC News
http://oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/DEI-to-BHO-10-19-2012-attachments.pdf
Jake Tapper
Oct 19, 2012 3:22pm
gty us embassy benghazi ll 121019 wblog Documents Back Up Claims of Requests for Greater Security in Benghazi
Republicans on the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform have released new documents backing up claims by security personnel previously station in Libya that there was a shortage of security personnel in Benghazi.
The documents contain previously unreleased cables from Ambassador Stevens and his staff reflecting concerns about safety in the country.
The U.S. State Department did not have an immediate comment.
One signed by Stevens and titled “LIBYA’S FRAGILE SECURITY DETERIORIATES AS TRIBAL RIVALRIES, POWER PLAYS AND EXTREMISM INTENSIFY,” dated June 25, 2012, assess the increase in violence.
”From April to June, Libya also witnesses an increase in attacks targeting international organizations and foreign interests,” Stevens wrote, describing attacks on a United Nations official in Benghazi, International Committee for the Red Cross buildings in Benghazi and Misrata, and IED at the mission in Benghazi, and RPG fired at the British Ambassador’s convoy, and an attack on the consulate of Tunisia.
A Libyan government national security official told Stevens “that the attacks were the work of extremists who are opposed to western influence in Libya. A number of local contacts agreed, noting that Islamic extremism appears to be on the rise in eastern Libya and that the Al-Qaeda flag has been spotted several times flying over government buildings and training facilities in Derna,” a village to the east in Benghazi. Other contacts disagreed with that assessment, however.
Another cable from Stevens, titled “The Guns of August; security in eastern Libya” and dated August 8, 2012, states “Since the eve of the (July) elections, Benghazi has moved from trepidation to euphoria and back as a series of violent incidents has dominated the political landscape during the Ramadan holiday.” Stevens describes the incidents as “organized, but this is not an organized campaign.” The Supreme Security Council, the interim security force, he says, “has not coalesced into a stabilizing force and provides little deterrence.”
Stevens wrote that the people of Benghazi want a security apparatus but “inherently fear abuse by the same authorities. This debate, playing out daily in Benghazi, has created the security vacuum that a diverse group of independent actors are exploiting for their own purposes.”
A cable signed by Stevens on the day of his murder, September 11, described a meeting with the Acting Principal Officer of the Supreme Security Council in Benghazi, commander Fawzi Younis, who “expressed growing frustration with police and security forces (who were too weak to keep the country secure)…”
The documents also included an “ACTION MEMO” for Under Secretary of State for Management Patrick Kennedy dated December 27, 2011, and written by US Assistant Secretary of State for Near Eastern Affairs Jeffrey Feltman.
With the subject line: “Future of Operations in Benghazi, Libya,” the memo states: “With the full complement of five Special Agents, our permanent presence would include eight U.S. direct hire employees.”
This would seem to suggest that Undersecretary Kennedy had approved a plan for five permanent security agents in Benghazi, but that never happened.
It should be noted that there were ultimately a total of five Diplomatic Security Agents in Benghazi that night since there were two stationed at the Benghazi compound, and three escorted Ambassador Chris Stevens to the compound.
Much more at the link.
Documents Back Up Claims of Requests for Greater Security in Benghazi - ABC News
http://oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/DEI-to-BHO-10-19-2012-attachments.pdf
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tinydancer
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Another bullshit thread. This report is so full of shit it would take a quizzillion enemas to purge it.
Anonymous sources only coming forward now.
In the same article:
Sen. Lindsay Graham (R-S.C.) called the revelation “odd.”
“That is odd to me because Stevens requested from the State Department additional security four times, and there was an 18-person special forces security team headed by Lt. Col. Wood that Gen. Ham signed off on that the State Department said no to,” he told McClatchy.
“The records are very clear that people on the ground in Libya made numerous requests for additional security that were either denied or only partially granted,” Graham said.
Report: Officials say Stevens turned down extra Benghazi security - The Hill's Blog Briefing Room
tinydancer
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And from a CBS report.
The House Oversight Committee will begin questioning three senior State Department staff on Capitol Hill Wednesday over claims that dozens of U.S. security personnel were removed from Libya in the six months leading up to the attack, in spite of alleged requests to increase personnel levels from American officials on the ground.
According to one of the key witnesses expected to testify before the committee this week, even Ambassador Stevens himself had repeatedly requested more security personnel, but was turned down.
Lt. Col. Andy Wood, the former head of a U.S. Special Forces "Site Security Team" in Libya, has told CBS News correspondent Sharyl Attkisson that he and many other senior staff at the U.S. Embassy in Tripoli, "felt we needed more, not less" security personnel in the country, but were told "to do with less.
For what reasons, I don't know."
Video at link.
Top U.S. counterterrorism adviser John Brennan in Libya amid questions over security missteps - CBS News
The House Oversight Committee will begin questioning three senior State Department staff on Capitol Hill Wednesday over claims that dozens of U.S. security personnel were removed from Libya in the six months leading up to the attack, in spite of alleged requests to increase personnel levels from American officials on the ground.
According to one of the key witnesses expected to testify before the committee this week, even Ambassador Stevens himself had repeatedly requested more security personnel, but was turned down.
Lt. Col. Andy Wood, the former head of a U.S. Special Forces "Site Security Team" in Libya, has told CBS News correspondent Sharyl Attkisson that he and many other senior staff at the U.S. Embassy in Tripoli, "felt we needed more, not less" security personnel in the country, but were told "to do with less.
For what reasons, I don't know."
Video at link.
Top U.S. counterterrorism adviser John Brennan in Libya amid questions over security missteps - CBS News
Yurt
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