Why did so many Germans support Hitler?

[editec]

Interesting watching you two amateur foresensic psychologists trying to unravel Hitler's mind.

You're not the only people who are fascinated by the question of who Hitler was and how he got to be that way.

You BOTH might find THE CASTLE IN THE FOREST by Norman Mailer worth your time. I read a few years ago and found it quite fascinating.

Here's what the Villiage Voice said of the work

Mailer accomplishes the counter-myth. Hitler is not a monster: Monsters aren't human, and hence aren't responsible for inhuman behavior. Mailer accepts this without letting Adolf off the hook. Nor does he neglect to acknowledge what is terra incognita. Everything in Hitler's life that Castle paints for us resonates with the sour music of chance, the Manichean flexibility of human will, and the mystery embedded in every creature.

Why read someone else's works/books on hitler? If you want to know Hitler you would read his work's/books and talk with the people who were alive when hitler was in power.

How about just because it's a good book?

It's not a history, it's a work of historical fiction.

But given that it delves into the psychology of Hitler, I thought I'd mention it for the benefit of people that seemed interested in that subject.

 

[midcan5]

Kinda funny or maybe telling but debates often degenerate into a I'm right you're wrong. Supporting content soon disappears. Now extrapolate and carry it to extremes, add a weak and insecure person to the mix.

The war metaphor mentioned above is crucial to understanding group thought. Enemies focus people. "We do not usually look for allies when we love. Indeed, we often look on those who love with us as rivals and trespassers. But we always look for allies when we hate." Eric Hoffer

Broken down, isolated, how really does Hitler's mind differ from the rabid racist?

Much of this is Freudian mumbo jumbo but it is interesting.

Psychology, History – “Inside the Mind of Adolf Hitler”


'Recreated Study Finds that People Still Willing to Torture Others' by Denis Cummings
A replication of the famous 1961 Milgram Experiment has found that the majority of people will comply with orders to administer painful shocks to an innocent person. Recreated Study Finds that People Still Willing to Torture Others

 

[Bfgrn]

Megalomania, delusions of grandeur, self inflated ego, over inflated self importance, melodrama.

Do you have ANY awareness or 'feel' for the attitudes Hitler exudes in this chapter? He shows utter disdain for everyone but himself. He is egotistical, condescending, dismissive, narcissistic and even his attempts at humor are belittling or cruel.

There is NO subservience, or 'joining others' in Hitler's mind. He has no desire to 'belong' to this or ANY organization. Hitler sees himself only as a leader, not a follower. The ONLY person he shows any affinity for in this whole chapter is Anton Drexler, because Drexler's 'pamphlet' expressed a desire to build a strong nationalist, pro-military, anti-Semitic party, which is what Hitler planned to do. And Drexler flattered Hitler and it fed his ego.

The 'very grave decision-to begin transforming this intention into reality' is Hitler's intention ONLY; to found a party of his own.

He said: "I had no intention of joining a ready-made party, but wanted to found one of my own." NOW, he has decided the best way to turn that 'intention to found a party of his own' was by taking over this party comprised of men of 'absurd philistinism' that HE "could put into the proper form" HIS!

He had no intention of joining a group and did want to start his own that part is true. But why would he agonize for two days over joining this group if it was his intent to take it over?
"After two days of agonized pondering and reflection, I finally came to the conviction that I had to take this step.
It was the most decisive resolve of my life. From here there was and could be no turning back.
And so I registered as a member of the German Workers' Party and received a provisional membership card with the number 7."


"I was facing the hardest question of my life: should I join or should I decline?"
Why would it be the hardest question for him to answer if it was his intent to join this group and take it over?

Why would he even have to question it? if he knew what he was going to do?

Also here is Hitlers socialist views from Chapter VIII: The Beginning of My Political Activity
The fight against international finance and loan capital became the most important point in the program of the German nation's struggle for its economic independence and freedom.
As regards the objections of so-called practical men, they can be answered as follows: All fears regarding the terrible economic consequences of the ' breaking of interest slavery ' are superfluous; for, in the first place, the previous economic prescriptions have turned out very badly for the German people, and your positions on the problems of national self-maintenance remind us strongly of the reports of similar experts in former times, for example, those of the Bavarian medical board on the question of introducing the railroad. It is well known that none of the fears of this exalted corporation were later realized: the travelers in the trains of the new 'steam horse ' did not get dizzy, the onlookers did not get sick, and the board fences to hide the new invention from sight were given up-only the board fences around the brains of all so-called 'experts' were preserved for posterity.
In the second place, the following should be noted: every idea, even the best, becomes a danger if it parades as a purpose in itself, being in reality only a means to one. For me and all true National Socialists there is but one doctrine: people and fatherland.
What we must fight for is to safeguard the existence and reproduction of our race and our people, the sustenance of our children and the purity of our blood, the freedom and independence of the fatherland, so that our people may mature for the fulfillment of the mission allotted it by the creator of the universe.

Hitler is NOT expressing any socialist views. Hitler's version of 'socialism' is kindred to George W. Bush and Dick Cheney's version of 'socialism'...

'The fight against international finance and loan capital' = the fight against JEWS

'people and fatherland' = nationalism, Aryan supremacy

I am starting to have some questions of my own:

Shouldn't you be outside riding your Big Wheels instead of playing around with mommy's computer?

Do you just have to be in the house, or do you have to be in bed when the street lights come on?

 

[germanguy]

Perhaps you should stop to read "Mein Kampf", as it is not a very good book.

Just look how Hitler ended and what legacy is left of his achievements.
Think hard: there are nearly none.
He ended with a bullet in his head burning in a ditch. His empire was taken over partly by the plutocrats he loathed and partly by the bolsheviks he hated as well. And in his testament he blamed the Germans not having fought strong enough and so being worthless.
Apart from a lot of other failures, we see a man who has failed big time.

So if you take this into calculation, you see a gambler and a bohemian character, who was not able to do something productive.

And:

Lass die Finger von Fremdsprachen. Translator-Bots sind kein Ersatz für eine vernünftige
Schulbildung. Was im übrigen die Frage aufwirft, wie der Kollege seine Gespräche mit den deutschen Lamettaträgern so geführt haben will.

regards
ze germanguy

 

[Bfgrn]

Perhaps you should stop to read "Mein Kampf", as it is not a very good book.

Just look how Hitler ended and what legacy is left of his achievements.
Think hard: there are nearly none.
He ended with a bullet in his head burning in a ditch. His empire was taken over partly by the plutocrats he loathed and partly by the bolsheviks he hated as well. And in his testament he blamed the Germans not having fought strong enough and so being worthless.
Apart from a lot of other failures, we see a man who has failed big time.

So if you take this into calculation, you see a gambler and a bohemian character, who was not able to do something productive.

And:

Lass die Finger von Fremdsprachen. Translator-Bots sind kein Ersatz für eine vernünftige
Schulbildung. Was im übrigen die Frage aufwirft, wie der Kollege seine Gespräche mit den deutschen Lamettaträgern so geführt haben will.

regards
ze germanguy

AND...Perhaps everyone should read 'Mein Kampf'...because it serves as a reminder of where that kind of destructive thinking and actions lead. Hitler and his henchmen may be gone, but were all the lessons learned?

Why is a there such a rabid following for modern day propaganda ministers like Rush Limbaugh? His propaganda of hate towards liberals is embraced in some segments of this country as much as Goebbel's propaganda of hate towards Jews was in Germany.




Equality, rightly understood as our founding fathers understood it, leads to liberty and to the emancipation of creative differences; wrongly understood, as it has been so tragically in our time, it leads first to conformity and then to despotism.
Barry Goldwater

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Hitler is NOT expressing any socialist views. Hitler's version of 'socialism' is kindred to George W. Bush and Dick Cheney's version of 'socialism'...

'The fight against international finance and loan capital' = the fight against JEWS

'people and fatherland' = nationalism, Aryan supremacy

I am starting to have some questions of my own:

Shouldn't you be outside riding your Big Wheels instead of playing around with mommy's computer?

Do you just have to be in the house, or do you have to be in bed when the street lights come on?

You are a moron stupid jackass if you think that hitler wasn't expressing a socialist view. You even said it yourself
Hitler's version of 'socialism' is kindred to George W. Bush and Dick Cheney's version of 'socialism'

Bush was a conservative he was a closet liberal.

No one who is intent on taking over a group will be torn between desiding to join a group or not join a group. If it is their intent to take a group over thgey will have planed to do it without worring about it.
Stop being a revisionist moron

 

[L.K.Eder]

Perhaps you should stop to read "Mein Kampf", as it is not a very good book.

Just look how Hitler ended and what legacy is left of his achievements.
Think hard: there are nearly none.
He ended with a bullet in his head burning in a ditch. His empire was taken over partly by the plutocrats he loathed and partly by the bolsheviks he hated as well. And in his testament he blamed the Germans not having fought strong enough and so being worthless.
Apart from a lot of other failures, we see a man who has failed big time.

So if you take this into calculation, you see a gambler and a bohemian character, who was not able to do something productive.

And:

Lass die Finger von Fremdsprachen. Translator-Bots sind kein Ersatz für eine vernünftige
Schulbildung. Was im übrigen die Frage aufwirft, wie der Kollege seine Gespräche mit den deutschen Lamettaträgern so geführt haben will.

regards
ze germanguy

hahaha, tja. so sieht es aus. aber ich denke, du meintest, er soll aufhören "mein kampf" zu lesen, und nicht anhalten, um "mein kampf" zu lesen. (stop reading anstatt stop to read), hey, ich bin zweisprachiger grammatik nazi.

er kann ruhig "mein kampf" anschauen. sind aber wenig bilder drin, hahaha.

 

[Bfgrn]

Hitler is NOT expressing any socialist views. Hitler's version of 'socialism' is kindred to George W. Bush and Dick Cheney's version of 'socialism'...

'The fight against international finance and loan capital' = the fight against JEWS

'people and fatherland' = nationalism, Aryan supremacy

I am starting to have some questions of my own:

Shouldn't you be outside riding your Big Wheels instead of playing around with mommy's computer?

Do you just have to be in the house, or do you have to be in bed when the street lights come on?

You are a moron stupid jackass if you think that hitler wasn't expressing a socialist view. You even said it yourself
Hitler's version of 'socialism' is kindred to George W. Bush and Dick Cheney's version of 'socialism'

Bush was a conservative he was a closet liberal.

No one who is intent on taking over a group will be torn between desiding to join a group or not join a group. If it is their intent to take a group over thgey will have planed to do it without worring about it.
Stop being a revisionist moron

How old are you? Seriously...

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Hitler is NOT expressing any socialist views. Hitler's version of 'socialism' is kindred to George W. Bush and Dick Cheney's version of 'socialism'...

'The fight against international finance and loan capital' = the fight against JEWS

'people and fatherland' = nationalism, Aryan supremacy

I am starting to have some questions of my own:

Shouldn't you be outside riding your Big Wheels instead of playing around with mommy's computer?

Do you just have to be in the house, or do you have to be in bed when the street lights come on?

You are a moron stupid jackass if you think that hitler wasn't expressing a socialist view. You even said it yourself
Hitler's version of 'socialism' is kindred to George W. Bush and Dick Cheney's version of 'socialism'

Bush was a conservative he was a closet liberal.

No one who is intent on taking over a group will be torn between desiding to join a group or not join a group. If it is their intent to take a group over thgey will have planed to do it without worring about it.
Stop being a revisionist moron

How old are you? Seriously...

I'm a lot older then you stupid. What does age have anything to do with have the common sense to understand that someone will not be torn between making a choice to join a group just to take control of that group.

 

[L.K.Eder]

Hitler is NOT expressing any socialist views. Hitler's version of 'socialism' is kindred to George W. Bush and Dick Cheney's version of 'socialism'...

'The fight against international finance and loan capital' = the fight against JEWS

'people and fatherland' = nationalism, Aryan supremacy

I am starting to have some questions of my own:

Shouldn't you be outside riding your Big Wheels instead of playing around with mommy's computer?

Do you just have to be in the house, or do you have to be in bed when the street lights come on?

You are a moron stupid jackass if you think that hitler wasn't expressing a socialist view. You even said it yourself
Hitler's version of 'socialism' is kindred to George W. Bush and Dick Cheney's version of 'socialism'

Bush was a conservative he was a closet liberal.

No one who is intent on taking over a group will be torn between desiding to join a group or not join a group. If it is their intent to take a group over thgey will have planed to do it without worring about it.
Stop being a revisionist moron

How old are you? Seriously...

I'm a lot older then you stupid.

come on, at least try, i already feel a little bad for kicking a retard.

 

[editec]

I have Goldhagen's book (see below) but have never read it completely. The holocaust, as well as the other massacres in the early 20th century, greatly influenced my childhood thinking. On mom's side we are Austrian and Hitler and Germany were a topic of conversation even though her parents immigrated in the early part of the 20th. I think people make a large mistake when they think what the Germans did was so unusual that it could only happen there. Consider genocide throughout history and you wonder if evolution includes a moral componenet. Evil is possible when fear grows, foes build groups, and groups don't think.


The History Place - Genocide in the 20th Century


"Thus for the time being I have sent to the East only my 'Death's Head Units' with the orders to kill without pity or mercy all men, women, and children of Polish race or language. Only in such a way will we win the vital space that we need. Who still talks nowadays about the Armenians?" Adolf Hitler to his Army commanders



http://www.usmessageboard.com/relig...-where-does-evil-come-from-6.html#post2457564

The Holocaust & holocausts

History in Focus: Holocaust websites


edit:

I removed link to Goldhagen book review as after I read the piece, I did not agree with it completely. My point was only to reference the book as it relates to the thread topic. I added the Amazon link below. I try to present links that are honest about any particular topic even if ironic, satirical, controversial or off the wall.

Amazon.com: Hitler's Willing Executioners: Ordinary Germans and the Holocaust…

Yeah that's sort of my point, too.

Genocidal slaughter is so common in history, that thinking that there's something unique about the German character is preposterous.

Mass slaughters of people based on race, or ethnic, or religion, or just based on YOU GOT WHAT WE WANT is a fairly common occurrance.

 

[Bfgrn]

Hitler is NOT expressing any socialist views. Hitler's version of 'socialism' is kindred to George W. Bush and Dick Cheney's version of 'socialism'...

'The fight against international finance and loan capital' = the fight against JEWS

'people and fatherland' = nationalism, Aryan supremacy

I am starting to have some questions of my own:

Shouldn't you be outside riding your Big Wheels instead of playing around with mommy's computer?

Do you just have to be in the house, or do you have to be in bed when the street lights come on?

You are a moron stupid jackass if you think that hitler wasn't expressing a socialist view. You even said it yourself
Hitler's version of 'socialism' is kindred to George W. Bush and Dick Cheney's version of 'socialism'

Bush was a conservative he was a closet liberal.

No one who is intent on taking over a group will be torn between desiding to join a group or not join a group. If it is their intent to take a group over thgey will have planed to do it without worring about it.
Stop being a revisionist moron

How old are you? Seriously...

I'm a lot older then you stupid. What does age have anything to do with have the common sense to understand that someone will not be torn between making a choice to join a group just to take control of that group.

The name of the book is MEIN Kampf...MY struggle. It is not about other people. It is about HIM. It is NOT about Hitler joining up with, prescribing to, being subservient to, or assimilating OTHER people's views or beliefs. It is the opposite. In his mind, HE HAS the answers. And the book is a blueprint that spells out HIS intentions, HIS aspirations, and the conscription HE will apply TO other people.

Hitler never plans to join up, he plans to take over. He alludes to it in the very chapter YOU posted. But you don't read to LEARN Hitler's beliefs. You read looking for snippets of paragraphs, sentences and words you can take out of context, hack up and use it to promote YOUR preconceived beliefs.

Hitler is not a socialist. He doesn't believe in inclusiveness, he believes in exclusiveness and exclusion. A 'you are with us or against us' attitude for those he would include. People who must first pass a purity test and a then pledge undying subservience and loyalty to HIS state. For the people he will exclude, there is no membership option. They already fail his purity test. They are of the wrong religion, ancestry, sexual orientation or IQ level. Those to be excluded will be eliminated.

 

[theHawk]

Socialism and Communism were gaining popularity in post WWI Europe and during the great depression in America. America had quite a large American Nazi Party itself. And that yes, Hitler was popularly elected but the people also stood by as Hitler consolidated power for himself.

Sounds a lot like today right here in America.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

How old are you? Seriously...

I'm a lot older then you stupid. What does age have anything to do with have the common sense to understand that someone will not be torn between making a choice to join a group just to take control of that group.

The name of the book is MEIN Kampf...MY struggle. It is not about other people. It is about HIM. It is NOT about Hitler joining up with, prescribing to, being subservient to, or assimilating OTHER people's views or beliefs. It is the opposite. In his mind, HE HAS the answers. And the book is a blueprint that spells out HIS intentions, HIS aspirations, and the conscription HE will apply TO other people.

Hitler never plans to join up, he plans to take over. He alludes to it in the very chapter YOU posted. But you don't read to LEARN Hitler's beliefs. You read looking for snippets of paragraphs, sentences and words you can take out of context, hack up and use it to promote YOUR preconceived beliefs.

Hitler is not a socialist. He doesn't believe in inclusiveness, he believes in exclusiveness and exclusion. A 'you are with us or against us' attitude for those he would include. People who must first pass a purity test and a then pledge undying subservience and loyalty to HIS state. For the people he will exclude, there is no membership option. They already fail his purity test. They are of the wrong religion, ancestry, sexual orientation or IQ level. Those to be excluded will be eliminated.

You are a stuipd son of a bitch Did I say the book was about other fucking people stupid? I have always said it was about hitler. One more fucking time for stupid

"After two days of agonized pondering and reflection, I finally came to the conviction that I had to take this step.
It was the most decisive resolve of my life. From here there was and could be no turning back.
And so I registered as a member of the German Workers' Party and received a provisional membership card with the number 7."

This does not sound like someone who was joining a group just to take it over. If it was his plan to take it over, he would never had such a struggle between joining and not joining.
And hell yes Hitler was a socialist if not why did he call the nazis, nazis?

The National Socialist German Workers Party

 

[L.K.Eder]

I'm a lot older then you stupid. What does age have anything to do with have the common sense to understand that someone will not be torn between making a choice to join a group just to take control of that group.

The name of the book is MEIN Kampf...MY struggle. It is not about other people. It is about HIM. It is NOT about Hitler joining up with, prescribing to, being subservient to, or assimilating OTHER people's views or beliefs. It is the opposite. In his mind, HE HAS the answers. And the book is a blueprint that spells out HIS intentions, HIS aspirations, and the conscription HE will apply TO other people.

Hitler never plans to join up, he plans to take over. He alludes to it in the very chapter YOU posted. But you don't read to LEARN Hitler's beliefs. You read looking for snippets of paragraphs, sentences and words you can take out of context, hack up and use it to promote YOUR preconceived beliefs.

Hitler is not a socialist. He doesn't believe in inclusiveness, he believes in exclusiveness and exclusion. A 'you are with us or against us' attitude for those he would include. People who must first pass a purity test and a then pledge undying subservience and loyalty to HIS state. For the people he will exclude, there is no membership option. They already fail his purity test. They are of the wrong religion, ancestry, sexual orientation or IQ level. Those to be excluded will be eliminated.

You are a stuipd son of a bitch Did I say the book was about other fucking people stupid? I have always said it was about hitler. One more fucking time for stupid

"After two days of agonized pondering and reflection, I finally came to the conviction that I had to take this step.
It was the most decisive resolve of my life. From here there was and could be no turning back.
And so I registered as a member of the German Workers' Party and received a provisional membership card with the number 7."

This does not sound like someone who was joining a group just to take it over. If it was his plan to take it over, he would never had such a struggle between joining and not joining.
And hell yes Hitler was a socialist if not why did he call the nazis, nazis?

The National Socialist German Workers Party

you are still a retard, fatrebel.

zoom-boing was right, it was the mustache.

 

[elvis]

The name of the book is MEIN Kampf...MY struggle. It is not about other people. It is about HIM. It is NOT about Hitler joining up with, prescribing to, being subservient to, or assimilating OTHER people's views or beliefs. It is the opposite. In his mind, HE HAS the answers. And the book is a blueprint that spells out HIS intentions, HIS aspirations, and the conscription HE will apply TO other people.

Hitler never plans to join up, he plans to take over. He alludes to it in the very chapter YOU posted. But you don't read to LEARN Hitler's beliefs. You read looking for snippets of paragraphs, sentences and words you can take out of context, hack up and use it to promote YOUR preconceived beliefs.

Hitler is not a socialist. He doesn't believe in inclusiveness, he believes in exclusiveness and exclusion. A 'you are with us or against us' attitude for those he would include. People who must first pass a purity test and a then pledge undying subservience and loyalty to HIS state. For the people he will exclude, there is no membership option. They already fail his purity test. They are of the wrong religion, ancestry, sexual orientation or IQ level. Those to be excluded will be eliminated.

You are a stuipd son of a bitch Did I say the book was about other fucking people stupid? I have always said it was about hitler. One more fucking time for stupid

"After two days of agonized pondering and reflection, I finally came to the conviction that I had to take this step.
It was the most decisive resolve of my life. From here there was and could be no turning back.
And so I registered as a member of the German Workers' Party and received a provisional membership card with the number 7."

This does not sound like someone who was joining a group just to take it over. If it was his plan to take it over, he would never had such a struggle between joining and not joining.
And hell yes Hitler was a socialist if not why did he call the nazis, nazis?

The National Socialist German Workers Party

you are still a retard, fatrebel.

zoom-boing was right, it was the mustache.

Looks like Nena in your avatar.

 

[L.K.Eder]

You are a stuipd son of a bitch Did I say the book was about other fucking people stupid? I have always said it was about hitler. One more fucking time for stupid

"After two days of agonized pondering and reflection, I finally came to the conviction that I had to take this step.
It was the most decisive resolve of my life. From here there was and could be no turning back.
And so I registered as a member of the German Workers' Party and received a provisional membership card with the number 7."

This does not sound like someone who was joining a group just to take it over. If it was his plan to take it over, he would never had such a struggle between joining and not joining.
And hell yes Hitler was a socialist if not why did he call the nazis, nazis?

The National Socialist German Workers Party

you are still a retard, fatrebel.

zoom-boing was right, it was the mustache.

Looks like Nena in your avatar.

it is not Nena. it is also not my ex-girlfriend.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

you are still a retard, fatrebel.

zoom-boing was right, it was the mustache.

Looks like Nena in your avatar.

it is not Nena. it is also not my ex-girlfriend.[/QUOT]

Ex girl friend? she looks like a skank, well a bridge troll couldn't do any better.

 

[L.K.Eder]

Looks like Nena in your avatar.

it is not Nena. it is also not my ex-girlfriend.

Ex girl friend? she looks like a skank, well a bridge troll couldn't do any better.

quote fail, ignore fail, generic fail.

go to bed.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

The name of the book is MEIN Kampf...MY struggle. It is not about other people. It is about HIM. It is NOT about Hitler joining up with, prescribing to, being subservient to, or assimilating OTHER people's views or beliefs. It is the opposite. In his mind, HE HAS the answers. And the book is a blueprint that spells out HIS intentions, HIS aspirations, and the conscription HE will apply TO other people.

Hitler never plans to join up, he plans to take over. He alludes to it in the very chapter YOU posted. But you don't read to LEARN Hitler's beliefs. You read looking for snippets of paragraphs, sentences and words you can take out of context, hack up and use it to promote YOUR preconceived beliefs.

Hitler is not a socialist. He doesn't believe in inclusiveness, he believes in exclusiveness and exclusion. A 'you are with us or against us' attitude for those he would include. People who must first pass a purity test and a then pledge undying subservience and loyalty to HIS state. For the people he will exclude, there is no membership option. They already fail his purity test. They are of the wrong religion, ancestry, sexual orientation or IQ level. Those to be excluded will be eliminated.

You are a stuipd son of a bitch Did I say the book was about other fucking people stupid? I have always said it was about hitler. One more fucking time for stupid

"After two days of agonized pondering and reflection, I finally came to the conviction that I had to take this step.
It was the most decisive resolve of my life. From here there was and could be no turning back.
And so I registered as a member of the German Workers' Party and received a provisional membership card with the number 7."

This does not sound like someone who was joining a group just to take it over. If it was his plan to take it over, he would never had such a struggle between joining and not joining.
And hell yes Hitler was a socialist if not why did he call the nazis, nazis?

The National Socialist German Workers Party

you are still a retard, fatrebel.

zoom-boing was right, it was the mustache.

I wouldn't call you retarded, because I wouldn't want to insult the people by comparing you to them. And as for me being fat Big is for my height 6'7" you don't know me at all you would be very surprised.