Why did so many Germans support Hitler?

[bigrebnc1775]

no, i meant speshial. as in retaaaaarded. and stoopit. now, when will you announce your next "i will ignore you" flailing, fatrebel?

PS. let's just say that if spending time in germany and talking with germans about hitler makes one an expert, then l o l. reading and comprehension ability is not optional, btw.

I said it made westwall more of an expert then you. It will with anyone. How do you think the experts became experts on a certain subject? By reading books, or talking with people who were alive during that time period? By reading books you are only getting the opinion of the author. By talking with People from that period of tim,e you are getting more then one opinion. You lose.

i win by default. think about it.

I won through knowledge and exprince, you won what?

 

[L.K.Eder]

I said it made westwall more of an expert then you. It will with anyone. How do you think the experts became experts on a certain subject? By reading books, or talking with people who were alive during that time period? By reading books you are only getting the opinion of the author. By talking with People from that period of tim,e you are getting more then one opinion. You lose.

i win by default. think about it.

I won through knowledge and exprince, you won what?

good knight, sweet exprince.

 

[editec]

Why did so many ________________s support _______________?

Nothing special about the Germans or Hitler, folks.

Authoritarian governments never have much trouble finding quislings and mininions to support them.

 

[midcan5]

I have Goldhagen's book (see below) but have never read it completely. The holocaust, as well as the other massacres in the early 20th century, greatly influenced my childhood thinking. On mom's side we are Austrian and Hitler and Germany were a topic of conversation even though her parents immigrated in the early part of the 20th. I think people make a large mistake when they think what the Germans did was so unusual that it could only happen there. Consider genocide throughout history and you wonder if evolution includes a moral componenet. Evil is possible when fear grows, foes build groups, and groups don't think.


The History Place - Genocide in the 20th Century


"Thus for the time being I have sent to the East only my 'Death's Head Units' with the orders to kill without pity or mercy all men, women, and children of Polish race or language. Only in such a way will we win the vital space that we need. Who still talks nowadays about the Armenians?" Adolf Hitler to his Army commanders



http://www.usmessageboard.com/relig...-where-does-evil-come-from-6.html#post2457564

The Holocaust & holocausts

History in Focus: Holocaust websites


edit:

I removed link to Goldhagen book review as after I read the piece, I did not agree with it completely. My point was only to reference the book as it relates to the thread topic. I added the Amazon link below. I try to present links that are honest about any particular topic even if ironic, satirical, controversial or off the wall.

[ame]http://www.amazon.com/Hitlers-Willing-Executioners-Ordinary-Holocaust/dp/0679772685/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8[/ame]

 

[Bfgrn]

I'll clean up the last reply I made to you
What in the hell was Hitler’s card number? Do you realize just how stupid you sound, Hitler joined because he wanted to take over the worker's socialist party? You don't join a group of people you don't like. That would be like me saying I am going to become a liberal democrat to take over the party. My knowledge of the views of the German people towards Hitler did not come from any books it came from meeting some of the people that actually heard hitler speak in person.
So your opinion is to moronic for it to be plausible

My view of Hitler and the German Workers' Party come from a guy named ADOLPH HITLER.

READ the fucking thing YOU posted!!! Give me YOUR synopsis...I will be waiting...

Mein Kampf: The 'German Workers' Party'


Hitler wasn't looking to join a glee club. He didn't CARE what they believed because he thought they were useful idiots. He believed that HIS views would become theirs.

Adolf Hitler, then a corporal in the German army, was ordered to spy on the DAP in September 12, 1919 during one of its meetings at the Sterneckerbräu, a beer hall in the center of the city.[3] While there, he got into a violent argument with one guest. Following this incident, Anton Drexler was impressed with Hitler's oratory skills and invited him to join the party. After some thinking, Hitler left the army and accepted the invitation, joining in late September. At the time when Hitler joined the party there were no membership numbers or cards. It was on January 1920 when a numeration was issued for the first time: listed in alphabetical order, Hitler received the number 555. In reality he had been the 55th member, but the counting started at the number 501 in order to make the party appear larger. Also, his claim that he was party member number 7, which would make him one of the founding members, is refuted. However, in his work Mein Kampf, Hitler states that he received a membership card with the number 7. After giving his first speech for the Party on October 16 in the Hofbräukeller,Hitler quickly rose up to become a leading figure in the DAP.
wiki

What you posted is not in that chapter.
Its starts like this.

He goes to spy on the newly formed group.
ONE DAY I received orders from my headquarters to find out what was behind an apparently political organization which was planning to hold a meeting within th next few days under the name of 'German Workers' Party'-with Gottfried Feder as one of the speakers. I was told to go and take a look at the organization and then make a report.

Second paragraph
Brief description as to why the army wanted the group investigated.
Not until the moment when the Center and the Social Democracy were forced to recognize, to their own grief, that the sympathies of the soldiers were beginning to turn away from the revolutionary parties toward the national movement and reawakening, did they see fit to deprive the troops of suffrage again and prohibit their political activity.

Hitler stated in the beginning of the 3rd paragraph:
It was illuminating that the Center and the Marxists should have taken this measure,

In the middle of the chapter Hitler states
My impression was neither good nor bad; a new organization like so many others. This was a time in which anyone who was not satisfied with developments and no longer had any confidence in the existing parties felt called upon to found a new party. Everywhere these organizations sprang out of the ground, only to vanish silently after a time. The founders for the most part had no idea what it means to make a party-let alone a movement out of a club. And so these organizations nearly always stifle automatically in their absurd philistinism.


Hitler continues with the feeling that he is happy with what he heard

I judged the 'German Workers' Party' no differently. When Feder finally stopped talking, I was happy. I had seen enough and wanted to leave when the free discussion period, which was now announced, moved me to remain, after all. But here, too everything seemed to run along insignificantly until suddenly a 'professor' took the floor; he first questioned the soundness of Feder's arguments and then-after Feder replied very well- suddenly appealed to 'the facts,' but not without recommending most urgently that the young party take up the 'separation' of Bavaria from 'Prussia' as a particularly important programmatic point.

Hitler was defending Feder
With bold effrontery the man maintained that in this case German-Austria would at once join Bavaria, that the peace would then become much better, and more similar nonsense. At this point I could not help demanding the floor and giving the learned gentleman my opinion on this point-with the result that the previous speaker, even before I was finished, left the hall like a wet poodle.


No fight but was given a booklet to read
As I spoke, the audience had listened with astonished faces, and only as I was beginning to say good night to the assemblage and go away did a man come leaping after me, introduce himself (I had not quite understood his name), and press a little booklet into my hand, apparently a political pamphlet, with the urgent request that I read it.

Hitler found the pamlet to be agreeable even though he did not hold themn in a high regard at the time the man left a good impression on Hitler
This was very agreeable to me, for now I had reason to hope that I might become acquainted with this dull organization in a simpler way, without having to attend any more such interesting meetings. Incidentally this apparent worker had made a good impression on me. And with this I left the hall.

Hitler stated in this paragraph and does give his intent
Once I had begun, I read the little book through with interest; for it reflected a process similar to the one which I myself had gone through twelve years before. Involuntarily I saw my own development come to life before my eyes. In the course of the day I reflected a few times on the matter and was finally about to put it aside when, less than a week later, much to my surprise, I received a postcard saying that I had been accepted in the German Workers' Party; I was requested to express myself on the subject and for this purpose to attend a committee meeting of this party on the following Wednesday.

Hitler starts to question himself about joining the party
I was facing the hardest question of my life: should I join or should I decline?
Reason could advise me only to decline, but my feeling left me no rest, and as often as I tried to remember the absurdity of this whole club, my feeling argued for it.


Sounds like he is going to join the party
The longer I tried to think it over, the more the conviction grew in me that through just such a little movement the rise of the nation could some day be organized, but never through the political parliamentary parties which clung far too greatly to the old conceptions or even shared in the profits of the new regime. For it was a new philosophy and not a new election slogan that had to be proclaimed.
Truly a very grave decision-to begin transforming this intention into reality!
What prerequisites did I myself bring to this task?

In no way does this sound like the way you discribed it

After two days of agonized pondering and reflection, I finally came to the conviction that I had to take this step.
It was the most decisive resolve of my life. From here there was and could be no turning back.
And so I registered as a member of the German Workers' Party and received a provisional membership card with the number 7.
WHEN YOU CAN COME UP WITH SOMETHING MORE CONVINCING I WILL BE WAITING

"Nothing is worse than active ignorance" - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

You can't read something and actually learn what it says if you have preconceived beliefs you are looking to justify. THAT is what you are doing here. You are taking 'words' and hacking up sentences out of context and using them to justify YOUR preconceived beliefs, instead of reading and learning what Hitler's beliefs REALLY were.

My entry that you said 'is not in that chapter' is NOT in the chapter. I noted it was from 'wiki' (Wikipedia). I posted it to explain Hitler's false claim he was #7.

I am not going to go through each of your misrepresentations. Some are just total nonsense, where you don't have a clue who or what Hitler is talking about. And others, it hard to understand how you come up with your conclusions, unless you are stupid or being deceitful.

Example: Hitler continues with the feeling that he is happy with what he heard

You have managed to hack this up and cut off the pretext just enough to remove the real meaning. I will reinsert the proper pretext and highlight the key phrases...

The founders for the most part had no idea what it means to make a party-let alone a movement out of a club. And so these organizations nearly always stifle automatically in their absurd philistinism.

I judged the 'German Workers' Party' no differently. When Feder finally stopped talking, I was happy. I had seen enough and wanted to leave...

He wasn't happy with what he heard...he was happy the guy was DONE. He was happy in the sense that WHAT he just heard and seen reinforced his belief 'these organizations nearly always stifle automatically in their absurd philistinism'... and he wanted to LEAVE.

Hitler was attracted to 2 thing:

1) What he read in the pamphlet...Drexler's desire to building a strong nationalist, pro-military, anti-Semitic party.

2) And a small, ready-made group of usable minions to "found one (party) of my own"

Here is a very key passage that explains Hitler's reason for joining and his intent once he was a member.

"This absurd little organization with its few members seemed to me to possess the one advantage that it had not frozen into an 'organization,' but left the individual opportunity for real personal activity. Here it was still possible to work, and the smaller the movement, the more readily it could be put into the proper form. Here, the content, the goal, and the road could still be determined..."

 

[bigrebnc1775]

My view of Hitler and the German Workers' Party come from a guy named ADOLPH HITLER.

READ the fucking thing YOU posted!!! Give me YOUR synopsis...I will be waiting...

Mein Kampf: The 'German Workers' Party'


Hitler wasn't looking to join a glee club. He didn't CARE what they believed because he thought they were useful idiots. He believed that HIS views would become theirs.

Adolf Hitler, then a corporal in the German army, was ordered to spy on the DAP in September 12, 1919 during one of its meetings at the Sterneckerbräu, a beer hall in the center of the city.[3] While there, he got into a violent argument with one guest. Following this incident, Anton Drexler was impressed with Hitler's oratory skills and invited him to join the party. After some thinking, Hitler left the army and accepted the invitation, joining in late September. At the time when Hitler joined the party there were no membership numbers or cards. It was on January 1920 when a numeration was issued for the first time: listed in alphabetical order, Hitler received the number 555. In reality he had been the 55th member, but the counting started at the number 501 in order to make the party appear larger. Also, his claim that he was party member number 7, which would make him one of the founding members, is refuted. However, in his work Mein Kampf, Hitler states that he received a membership card with the number 7. After giving his first speech for the Party on October 16 in the Hofbräukeller,Hitler quickly rose up to become a leading figure in the DAP.
wiki

What you posted is not in that chapter.
Its starts like this.

He goes to spy on the newly formed group.
ONE DAY I received orders from my headquarters to find out what was behind an apparently political organization which was planning to hold a meeting within th next few days under the name of 'German Workers' Party'-with Gottfried Feder as one of the speakers. I was told to go and take a look at the organization and then make a report.

Second paragraph
Brief description as to why the army wanted the group investigated.
Not until the moment when the Center and the Social Democracy were forced to recognize, to their own grief, that the sympathies of the soldiers were beginning to turn away from the revolutionary parties toward the national movement and reawakening, did they see fit to deprive the troops of suffrage again and prohibit their political activity.

Hitler stated in the beginning of the 3rd paragraph:
It was illuminating that the Center and the Marxists should have taken this measure,

In the middle of the chapter Hitler states
My impression was neither good nor bad; a new organization like so many others. This was a time in which anyone who was not satisfied with developments and no longer had any confidence in the existing parties felt called upon to found a new party. Everywhere these organizations sprang out of the ground, only to vanish silently after a time. The founders for the most part had no idea what it means to make a party-let alone a movement out of a club. And so these organizations nearly always stifle automatically in their absurd philistinism.


Hitler continues with the feeling that he is happy with what he heard

I judged the 'German Workers' Party' no differently. When Feder finally stopped talking, I was happy. I had seen enough and wanted to leave when the free discussion period, which was now announced, moved me to remain, after all. But here, too everything seemed to run along insignificantly until suddenly a 'professor' took the floor; he first questioned the soundness of Feder's arguments and then-after Feder replied very well- suddenly appealed to 'the facts,' but not without recommending most urgently that the young party take up the 'separation' of Bavaria from 'Prussia' as a particularly important programmatic point.

Hitler was defending Feder
With bold effrontery the man maintained that in this case German-Austria would at once join Bavaria, that the peace would then become much better, and more similar nonsense. At this point I could not help demanding the floor and giving the learned gentleman my opinion on this point-with the result that the previous speaker, even before I was finished, left the hall like a wet poodle.


No fight but was given a booklet to read
As I spoke, the audience had listened with astonished faces, and only as I was beginning to say good night to the assemblage and go away did a man come leaping after me, introduce himself (I had not quite understood his name), and press a little booklet into my hand, apparently a political pamphlet, with the urgent request that I read it.

Hitler found the pamlet to be agreeable even though he did not hold themn in a high regard at the time the man left a good impression on Hitler
This was very agreeable to me, for now I had reason to hope that I might become acquainted with this dull organization in a simpler way, without having to attend any more such interesting meetings. Incidentally this apparent worker had made a good impression on me. And with this I left the hall.

Hitler stated in this paragraph and does give his intent
Once I had begun, I read the little book through with interest; for it reflected a process similar to the one which I myself had gone through twelve years before. Involuntarily I saw my own development come to life before my eyes. In the course of the day I reflected a few times on the matter and was finally about to put it aside when, less than a week later, much to my surprise, I received a postcard saying that I had been accepted in the German Workers' Party; I was requested to express myself on the subject and for this purpose to attend a committee meeting of this party on the following Wednesday.

Hitler starts to question himself about joining the party
I was facing the hardest question of my life: should I join or should I decline?
Reason could advise me only to decline, but my feeling left me no rest, and as often as I tried to remember the absurdity of this whole club, my feeling argued for it.


Sounds like he is going to join the party
The longer I tried to think it over, the more the conviction grew in me that through just such a little movement the rise of the nation could some day be organized, but never through the political parliamentary parties which clung far too greatly to the old conceptions or even shared in the profits of the new regime. For it was a new philosophy and not a new election slogan that had to be proclaimed.
Truly a very grave decision-to begin transforming this intention into reality!
What prerequisites did I myself bring to this task?

In no way does this sound like the way you discribed it

After two days of agonized pondering and reflection, I finally came to the conviction that I had to take this step.
It was the most decisive resolve of my life. From here there was and could be no turning back.
And so I registered as a member of the German Workers' Party and received a provisional membership card with the number 7.
WHEN YOU CAN COME UP WITH SOMETHING MORE CONVINCING I WILL BE WAITING

"Nothing is worse than active ignorance" - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

You can't read something and actually learn what it says if you have preconceived beliefs you are looking to justify. THAT is what you are doing here. You are taking 'words' and hacking up sentences out of context and using them to justify YOUR preconceived beliefs, instead of reading and learning what Hitler's beliefs REALLY were.

My entry that you said 'is not in that chapter' is NOT in the chapter. I noted it was from 'wiki' (Wikipedia). I posted it to explain Hitler's false claim he was #7.

I am not going to go through each of your misrepresentations. Some are just total nonsense, where you don't have a clue who or what Hitler is talking about. And others, it hard to understand how you come up with your conclusions, unless you are stupid or being deceitful.

Example: Hitler continues with the feeling that he is happy with what he heard

You have managed to hack this up and cut off the pretext just enough to remove the real meaning. I will reinsert the proper pretext and highlight the key phrases...

The founders for the most part had no idea what it means to make a party-let alone a movement out of a club. And so these organizations nearly always stifle automatically in their absurd philistinism.

I judged the 'German Workers' Party' no differently. When Feder finally stopped talking, I was happy. I had seen enough and wanted to leave...

He wasn't happy with what he heard...he was happy the guy was DONE. He was happy in the sense that WHAT he just heard and seen reinforced his belief 'these organizations nearly always stifle automatically in their absurd philistinism'... and he wanted to LEAVE.

Hitler was attracted to 2 thing:

1) What he read in the pamphlet...Drexler's desire to building a strong nationalist, pro-military, anti-Semitic party.

2) And a small, ready-made group of usable minions to "found one (party) of my own"

Here is a very key passage that explains Hitler's reason for joining and his intent once he was a member.

"This absurd little organization with its few members seemed to me to possess the one advantage that it had not frozen into an 'organization,' but left the individual opportunity for real personal activity. Here it was still possible to work, and the smaller the movement, the more readily it could be put into the proper form. Here, the content, the goal, and the road could still be determined..."

You used wiki? You do realize wikipedia is an edit source anyone can edit that information. Plus the information in wiki is done by anyone. Wikipedia versus Mein Kampf the actual words of hitler.

You said you read this chapter?Volume One - A Reckoning
Chapter IX: The 'German Workers' Party'
This is the last part of of that chapoter I suggest that if you respond back that you read it first. I will not be so kind the next time.
I knew what these men felt: it was the longing for a new movement which should be more than a party in the previous sense of the wold.
That evening when I returned to the barracks I had formed my judgment of this association.
I was facing the hardest question of my life: should I join or should I decline?
Reason could advise me only to decline, but my feeling left me no rest, and as often as I tried to remember the absurdity of this whole club, my feeling argued for it.
I was restless in the days that followed.
I began to ponder back and forth. I had long been resolved to engage in political activity; that this could be done only in a new movement was likewise clear to me, only the impetus to act had hitherto been lacking. I am not one of those people who begin something today and lay it down tomorrow, if possible taking up something else again. This very conviction among others was the main reason why it was so hard for me to make up my mind to join such a new organization. I knew that for me a decision would be for good, with no turning back. For me it was no passing game but grim earnest. Even then I had an instinctive revulsion toward men who start everything and never carry anything out These jacks-of-all-trades were loathsome to me. I regarded the activity of such people as worse than doing nothing.
And this way of thinking constituted one of the main reasons why I could not make up my mind as easily as some others do to found a cause which either had to become everything or else would do better not to exist at all.
Fate itself now seemed to give me a hint. I should never have gone into one of the existing large parties, and later on I shall go into the reasons for this more closely. This absurd little organization with its few members seemed to me to possess the one advantage that it had not frozen into an 'organization,' but left the individual an opportunity for real personal activity. Here it was still possible to work, and the smaller the movement, the more readily it could be put into the proper form. Here the content, the goal, and the road could still be determined, which in the existing great parties was impossible from the outset.
The longer I tried to think it over, the more the conviction grew in me that through just such a little movement the rise of the nation could some day be organized, but never through the political parliamentary parties which clung far too greatly to the old conceptions or even shared in the profits of the new regime. For it was a new philosophy and not a new election slogan that had to be proclaimed.
Truly a very grave decision-to begin transforming this intention into reality!
What prerequisites did I myself bring to this task?
That I was poor and without means seemed to me the most bearable part of it, but it was harder that I was numbered among the nameless, that I was one of the millions whom chance permits to live or summons out of existence without even their closest neighbors condescending to take any notice of it. In addition, there was the difficulty which inevitably arose from my lack of schooling.
The so called 'intelligentsia' always looks down with a really limitless condescension on anyone who has not been dragged through the obligatory schools and had the necessary knowledge pumped into him. The question has never been: What are the man's abilities? but: What has he learned? To these 'educated' people the biggest empty-head, if he is wrapped in enough diplomas, is worth more than the brightest boy who happens to lack these costly envelopes. And so it was easy for me to imagine how this ' educated ' world would confront me, and in this I erred only in so far as even then I still regarded people as better than in cold reality they for the most part unfortunately are. As they are, to be sure, the exceptions, as everywhere else, shine all the more brightly. Thereby, however, I learned always to distinguish between the eternal students and the men of real ability.
After two days of agonized pondering and reflection, I finally came to the conviction that I had to take this step.
It was the most decisive resolve of my life. From here there was and could be no turning back.
And so I registered as a member of the German Workers' Party and received a provisional membership card with the number 7.

 

[westwall]

i did mucho serious reading on the subject. bfgrn has it dead right, and you and fatboyrebel et al are seriously out of sync with reality and history.

I too have done some pretty serious reading and lived in Germany for two years and actually talked to a lot of the folks involved as well as a ton of combat soldiers, (I am a member of a couple of their kameradschafts) and the people absolutely DID support Hitler for almost the whole time he was in power.

The whole goal of the NAZI's was to develop a "volksgemeinschaft" (look it up, it will mean more to you that way). But they were successful in developing a "frontgemeinschaft" and that was why the Deutsche soldaten were able to accomplish so much with so little. One of my German friends was captured at Anzio and even after being captured was certain the Germans would win...till he got to North Africa and saw 7 miles of fuel containers.

As he told me "had we had that amount of supply there would have been no stopping us, we never had anything approaching that amount...amazing!"

ah, so living in germany and talking to germans makes you an expert. lol.

No,

It doesn't, far from it. However it does give me a tad bit more knowledge of how the regular people felt about Hitler. I also have been able to interview Admiral Erich Topp (who was the fourth highest scoring U-Boat "Ace"), General Gunther Rall (275 aircraft shot down), Erich Hartmann (352 aircraft shot down), and a whole host of military people from the war.

Experts must do the same thing to write their books no? So I am not an expert but I am more knowledgable than you.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

I too have done some pretty serious reading and lived in Germany for two years and actually talked to a lot of the folks involved as well as a ton of combat soldiers, (I am a member of a couple of their kameradschafts) and the people absolutely DID support Hitler for almost the whole time he was in power.

The whole goal of the NAZI's was to develop a "volksgemeinschaft" (look it up, it will mean more to you that way). But they were successful in developing a "frontgemeinschaft" and that was why the Deutsche soldaten were able to accomplish so much with so little. One of my German friends was captured at Anzio and even after being captured was certain the Germans would win...till he got to North Africa and saw 7 miles of fuel containers.

As he told me "had we had that amount of supply there would have been no stopping us, we never had anything approaching that amount...amazing!"

ah, so living in germany and talking to germans makes you an expert. lol.

No,

It doesn't, far from it. However it does give me a tad bit more knowledge of how the regular people felt about Hitler. I also have been able to interview Admiral Erich Topp (who was the fourth highest scoring U-Boat "Ace"), General Gunther Rall (275 aircraft shot down), Erich Hartmann (352 aircraft shot down), and a whole host of military people from the war.

Experts must do the same thing to write their books no? So I am not an expert but I am more knowledgable than you.

Don't be so modest.

 

[germanguy]

Reading Hitler´s "Mein Kampf" will not get you very far in answering the question of this thread.

The book itself is (in German) a nearly unreadable book. According to what I have read, the more readable parts are co-written by Rudolf Hess.

My suggestion would be to closely study the after-war period. There are literally piles of works about this period, but I personally would recommend "The Meaning of Hitler" by Sebastian Haffner and "Defying Hitler" by the same author.

The first book has only onehundred something pages, but you will not easily find a more comprehensive and lucid analysis of Hitler.

"Defying Hitler" is even better, as it is the authors personal story, the story of a young man and how he experienced the rise to power of the Nazis.
If you read this book, you will get a better understanding of this time and to what extent the Nazis were supported by "the Germans".

Or you might plow yourself through the vast literature on this subject.

I have done this while studying and I can only say, that I have not the one and only answer to this.

As most Americans identify Nazi Germany with wartime Germany, it is not to be forgotten, that the war helped the Nazis. Any outside danger unifies people. This worked of course during the war. Also, in this time people were occupied with their problems and blended other things out.

Anyway, it will take more than this few words to answer this question.

Kind regards

ze germanguy

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Reading Hitler´s "Mein Kampf" will not get you very far in answering the question of this thread.

The book itself is (in German) a nearly unreadable book. According to what I have read, the more readable parts are co-written by Rudolf Hess.

My suggestion would be to closely study the after-war period. There are literally piles of works about this period, but I personally would recommend "The Meaning of Hitler" by Sebastian Haffner and "Defying Hitler" by the same author.

The first book has only onehundred something pages, but you will not easily find a more comprehensive and lucid analysis of Hitler.

"Defying Hitler" is even better, as it is the authors personal story, the story of a young man and how he experienced the rise to power of the Nazis.
If you read this book, you will get a better understanding of this time and to what extent the Nazis were supported by "the Germans".

Or you might plow yourself through the vast literature on this subject.

I have done this while studying and I can only say, that I have not the one and only answer to this.

As most Americans identify Nazi Germany with wartime Germany, it is not to be forgotten, that the war helped the Nazis. Any outside danger unifies people. This worked of course during the war. Also, in this time people were occupied with their problems and blended other things out.

Anyway, it will take more than this few words to answer this question.

Kind regards

ze germanguy

You are a revisionist.

 

[topspin]

Europeans are racist muther fuckers to hid day big time. At soccer games they throw bananas at plack players and chant monkey sounds. It's breeding grounds for Nazis. Italy had to play 2 pro games without crowds due to racist crowds.

 

[germanguy]

Funny how a debate about german history easily gets the furor into you Yanks.

What most here do is to view at this question while only seeing your own agenda.

The Germans did not support Hitler-
In 1933 he came to power as head of a multi-party coalition, brought to office by the far-right, a half-senile President (who definitely was not a friend of the republic, but notwithstanding took his oath to the constitution serious).

He certainly had a mandate in 1933 to end partisanship, economic crisis and the fear of bolshevism.
That he had a mandate to start a war, to lay Europe in ruins and to kill more than 50 million people was not the case. The end of 1945 was not easily foreseen in 1933.

And:

Hitler was no socialist. All this crap about Obama as a Nazi or Socialism equals Nazism is not getting the point.

As Goebbels once stated:

We do not want low bread prices, we do not want high bread prices, we want National Socialist bread prices.

The Nazis mostly gave a shit about ideology.
How to get Himmlers germanic mystizism, with his believe in astrology, Hitlers religious belief in Wagner etc. into one ideology ?
Just tell everybody what he wants to hear.

Interestingly, if you look at the respective ideological groups, the Nazis in general did not succeed with their ideology.
To the conservatives, especially the old-fashioned ones, Hitler was just an upstart, a corporal in the War.
To a lot of workers the Nazis were no Socialists. There were enough workers quarters in Germany, where being out azt night in a Party uniform was a very stupid idea.
So, with the proclaimed best supporters of the Nazis, the far right and the Socialists, Hitlers "ideology" did not work.

So, did the Germans support him ? All and in every aspect ? I really doubt it.

regards
ze germanguy

What does nazi mean. Have you by chance read his book? Oh and by the way mr. German guy I lived in Germany for two years. I have talked with the older Germans who were alive when Hitler took control. I call you post BS

ROFL - two years in Germany obviously make you an expert of this country and it´s history.
Still:
Ich bin der Überzeugung, dass Du, mein amerikanischer Freund, Deine Zeit in zu vielen Kneipen um die amerikanischen Kasernen herum verbracht hast. Inwieweit dies als seriöse Studie der deutschen Geschichte gelten kann, lassen wir einmal dahingestellt sein.

kind regards

ze germanguy

 

[Bfgrn]

What you posted is not in that chapter.
Its starts like this.

He goes to spy on the newly formed group.
ONE DAY I received orders from my headquarters to find out what was behind an apparently political organization which was planning to hold a meeting within th next few days under the name of 'German Workers' Party'-with Gottfried Feder as one of the speakers. I was told to go and take a look at the organization and then make a report.

Second paragraph
Brief description as to why the army wanted the group investigated.
Not until the moment when the Center and the Social Democracy were forced to recognize, to their own grief, that the sympathies of the soldiers were beginning to turn away from the revolutionary parties toward the national movement and reawakening, did they see fit to deprive the troops of suffrage again and prohibit their political activity.

Hitler stated in the beginning of the 3rd paragraph:
It was illuminating that the Center and the Marxists should have taken this measure,

In the middle of the chapter Hitler states
My impression was neither good nor bad; a new organization like so many others. This was a time in which anyone who was not satisfied with developments and no longer had any confidence in the existing parties felt called upon to found a new party. Everywhere these organizations sprang out of the ground, only to vanish silently after a time. The founders for the most part had no idea what it means to make a party-let alone a movement out of a club. And so these organizations nearly always stifle automatically in their absurd philistinism.


Hitler continues with the feeling that he is happy with what he heard

I judged the 'German Workers' Party' no differently. When Feder finally stopped talking, I was happy. I had seen enough and wanted to leave when the free discussion period, which was now announced, moved me to remain, after all. But here, too everything seemed to run along insignificantly until suddenly a 'professor' took the floor; he first questioned the soundness of Feder's arguments and then-after Feder replied very well- suddenly appealed to 'the facts,' but not without recommending most urgently that the young party take up the 'separation' of Bavaria from 'Prussia' as a particularly important programmatic point.

Hitler was defending Feder
With bold effrontery the man maintained that in this case German-Austria would at once join Bavaria, that the peace would then become much better, and more similar nonsense. At this point I could not help demanding the floor and giving the learned gentleman my opinion on this point-with the result that the previous speaker, even before I was finished, left the hall like a wet poodle.


No fight but was given a booklet to read
As I spoke, the audience had listened with astonished faces, and only as I was beginning to say good night to the assemblage and go away did a man come leaping after me, introduce himself (I had not quite understood his name), and press a little booklet into my hand, apparently a political pamphlet, with the urgent request that I read it.

Hitler found the pamlet to be agreeable even though he did not hold themn in a high regard at the time the man left a good impression on Hitler
This was very agreeable to me, for now I had reason to hope that I might become acquainted with this dull organization in a simpler way, without having to attend any more such interesting meetings. Incidentally this apparent worker had made a good impression on me. And with this I left the hall.

Hitler stated in this paragraph and does give his intent
Once I had begun, I read the little book through with interest; for it reflected a process similar to the one which I myself had gone through twelve years before. Involuntarily I saw my own development come to life before my eyes. In the course of the day I reflected a few times on the matter and was finally about to put it aside when, less than a week later, much to my surprise, I received a postcard saying that I had been accepted in the German Workers' Party; I was requested to express myself on the subject and for this purpose to attend a committee meeting of this party on the following Wednesday.

Hitler starts to question himself about joining the party
I was facing the hardest question of my life: should I join or should I decline?
Reason could advise me only to decline, but my feeling left me no rest, and as often as I tried to remember the absurdity of this whole club, my feeling argued for it.


Sounds like he is going to join the party
The longer I tried to think it over, the more the conviction grew in me that through just such a little movement the rise of the nation could some day be organized, but never through the political parliamentary parties which clung far too greatly to the old conceptions or even shared in the profits of the new regime. For it was a new philosophy and not a new election slogan that had to be proclaimed.
Truly a very grave decision-to begin transforming this intention into reality!
What prerequisites did I myself bring to this task?

In no way does this sound like the way you discribed it

After two days of agonized pondering and reflection, I finally came to the conviction that I had to take this step.
It was the most decisive resolve of my life. From here there was and could be no turning back.
And so I registered as a member of the German Workers' Party and received a provisional membership card with the number 7.
WHEN YOU CAN COME UP WITH SOMETHING MORE CONVINCING I WILL BE WAITING

"Nothing is worse than active ignorance" - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

You can't read something and actually learn what it says if you have preconceived beliefs you are looking to justify. THAT is what you are doing here. You are taking 'words' and hacking up sentences out of context and using them to justify YOUR preconceived beliefs, instead of reading and learning what Hitler's beliefs REALLY were.

My entry that you said 'is not in that chapter' is NOT in the chapter. I noted it was from 'wiki' (Wikipedia). I posted it to explain Hitler's false claim he was #7.

I am not going to go through each of your misrepresentations. Some are just total nonsense, where you don't have a clue who or what Hitler is talking about. And others, it hard to understand how you come up with your conclusions, unless you are stupid or being deceitful.

Example: Hitler continues with the feeling that he is happy with what he heard

You have managed to hack this up and cut off the pretext just enough to remove the real meaning. I will reinsert the proper pretext and highlight the key phrases...

The founders for the most part had no idea what it means to make a party-let alone a movement out of a club. And so these organizations nearly always stifle automatically in their absurd philistinism.

I judged the 'German Workers' Party' no differently. When Feder finally stopped talking, I was happy. I had seen enough and wanted to leave...

He wasn't happy with what he heard...he was happy the guy was DONE. He was happy in the sense that WHAT he just heard and seen reinforced his belief 'these organizations nearly always stifle automatically in their absurd philistinism'... and he wanted to LEAVE.

Hitler was attracted to 2 thing:

1) What he read in the pamphlet...Drexler's desire to building a strong nationalist, pro-military, anti-Semitic party.

2) And a small, ready-made group of usable minions to "found one (party) of my own"

Here is a very key passage that explains Hitler's reason for joining and his intent once he was a member.

"This absurd little organization with its few members seemed to me to possess the one advantage that it had not frozen into an 'organization,' but left the individual opportunity for real personal activity. Here it was still possible to work, and the smaller the movement, the more readily it could be put into the proper form. Here, the content, the goal, and the road could still be determined..."

You used wiki? You do realize wikipedia is an edit source anyone can edit that information. Plus the information in wiki is done by anyone. Wikipedia versus Mein Kampf the actual words of hitler.

You said you read this chapter?Volume One - A Reckoning
Chapter IX: The 'German Workers' Party'
This is the last part of of that chapoter I suggest that if you respond back that you read it first. I will not be so kind the next time.
I knew what these men felt: it was the longing for a new movement which should be more than a party in the previous sense of the wold.
That evening when I returned to the barracks I had formed my judgment of this association.
I was facing the hardest question of my life: should I join or should I decline?
Reason could advise me only to decline, but my feeling left me no rest, and as often as I tried to remember the absurdity of this whole club, my feeling argued for it.
I was restless in the days that followed.
I began to ponder back and forth. I had long been resolved to engage in political activity; that this could be done only in a new movement was likewise clear to me, only the impetus to act had hitherto been lacking. I am not one of those people who begin something today and lay it down tomorrow, if possible taking up something else again. This very conviction among others was the main reason why it was so hard for me to make up my mind to join such a new organization. I knew that for me a decision would be for good, with no turning back. For me it was no passing game but grim earnest. Even then I had an instinctive revulsion toward men who start everything and never carry anything out These jacks-of-all-trades were loathsome to me. I regarded the activity of such people as worse than doing nothing.
And this way of thinking constituted one of the main reasons why I could not make up my mind as easily as some others do to found a cause which either had to become everything or else would do better not to exist at all.
Fate itself now seemed to give me a hint. I should never have gone into one of the existing large parties, and later on I shall go into the reasons for this more closely. This absurd little organization with its few members seemed to me to possess the one advantage that it had not frozen into an 'organization,' but left the individual an opportunity for real personal activity. Here it was still possible to work, and the smaller the movement, the more readily it could be put into the proper form. Here the content, the goal, and the road could still be determined, which in the existing great parties was impossible from the outset.
The longer I tried to think it over, the more the conviction grew in me that through just such a little movement the rise of the nation could some day be organized, but never through the political parliamentary parties which clung far too greatly to the old conceptions or even shared in the profits of the new regime. For it was a new philosophy and not a new election slogan that had to be proclaimed.
Truly a very grave decision-to begin transforming this intention into reality!
What prerequisites did I myself bring to this task?
That I was poor and without means seemed to me the most bearable part of it, but it was harder that I was numbered among the nameless, that I was one of the millions whom chance permits to live or summons out of existence without even their closest neighbors condescending to take any notice of it. In addition, there was the difficulty which inevitably arose from my lack of schooling.
The so called 'intelligentsia' always looks down with a really limitless condescension on anyone who has not been dragged through the obligatory schools and had the necessary knowledge pumped into him. The question has never been: What are the man's abilities? but: What has he learned? To these 'educated' people the biggest empty-head, if he is wrapped in enough diplomas, is worth more than the brightest boy who happens to lack these costly envelopes. And so it was easy for me to imagine how this ' educated ' world would confront me, and in this I erred only in so far as even then I still regarded people as better than in cold reality they for the most part unfortunately are. As they are, to be sure, the exceptions, as everywhere else, shine all the more brightly. Thereby, however, I learned always to distinguish between the eternal students and the men of real ability.
After two days of agonized pondering and reflection, I finally came to the conviction that I had to take this step.
It was the most decisive resolve of my life. From here there was and could be no turning back.
And so I registered as a member of the German Workers' Party and received a provisional membership card with the number 7.

I am aware of wiki...that is why I provided wiki's embedded reference link. YOU said you were in Germany, so reading German should be a 'piece of cake' for you...But if you need them in English, how MANY sources do you want pea brain?

Hitler: A Biography, pg. 76
NSDAP
Golden Party Badge of the NSDAP
Hitler, Adolf
Nazi Party : Origins And Early Existence: 1918 1923
-----------------------------------------
Yes, I read the WHOLE chapter more than once. My question is WHAT do you need help understanding?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Funny how a debate about german history easily gets the furor into you Yanks.

What most here do is to view at this question while only seeing your own agenda.

The Germans did not support Hitler-
In 1933 he came to power as head of a multi-party coalition, brought to office by the far-right, a half-senile President (who definitely was not a friend of the republic, but notwithstanding took his oath to the constitution serious).

He certainly had a mandate in 1933 to end partisanship, economic crisis and the fear of bolshevism.
That he had a mandate to start a war, to lay Europe in ruins and to kill more than 50 million people was not the case. The end of 1945 was not easily foreseen in 1933.

And:

Hitler was no socialist. All this crap about Obama as a Nazi or Socialism equals Nazism is not getting the point.

As Goebbels once stated:

We do not want low bread prices, we do not want high bread prices, we want National Socialist bread prices.

The Nazis mostly gave a shit about ideology.
How to get Himmlers germanic mystizism, with his believe in astrology, Hitlers religious belief in Wagner etc. into one ideology ?
Just tell everybody what he wants to hear.

Interestingly, if you look at the respective ideological groups, the Nazis in general did not succeed with their ideology.
To the conservatives, especially the old-fashioned ones, Hitler was just an upstart, a corporal in the War.
To a lot of workers the Nazis were no Socialists. There were enough workers quarters in Germany, where being out azt night in a Party uniform was a very stupid idea.
So, with the proclaimed best supporters of the Nazis, the far right and the Socialists, Hitlers "ideology" did not work.

So, did the Germans support him ? All and in every aspect ? I really doubt it.

regards
ze germanguy

What does nazi mean. Have you by chance read his book? Oh and by the way mr. German guy I lived in Germany for two years. I have talked with the older Germans who were alive when Hitler took control. I call you post BS

ROFL - two years in Germany obviously make you an expert of this country and it´s history.
Still:
Ich bin der Überzeugung, dass Du, mein amerikanischer Freund, Deine Zeit in zu vielen Kneipen um die amerikanischen Kasernen herum verbracht hast. Inwieweit dies als seriöse Studie der deutschen Geschichte gelten kann, lassen wir einmal dahingestellt sein.

kind regards

ze germanguy

Mein deutscher Freund den ich habe nicht ausgegeben meine ganze Zeit in vielem Gasthofs ich bin ausgestiegen und habe die Leute
getroffen

 

[bigrebnc1775]

"Nothing is worse than active ignorance" - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

You can't read something and actually learn what it says if you have preconceived beliefs you are looking to justify. THAT is what you are doing here. You are taking 'words' and hacking up sentences out of context and using them to justify YOUR preconceived beliefs, instead of reading and learning what Hitler's beliefs REALLY were.

My entry that you said 'is not in that chapter' is NOT in the chapter. I noted it was from 'wiki' (Wikipedia). I posted it to explain Hitler's false claim he was #7.

I am not going to go through each of your misrepresentations. Some are just total nonsense, where you don't have a clue who or what Hitler is talking about. And others, it hard to understand how you come up with your conclusions, unless you are stupid or being deceitful.


Example: Hitler continues with the feeling that he is happy with what he heard

You have managed to hack this up and cut off the pretext just enough to remove the real meaning. I will reinsert the proper pretext and highlight the key phrases...

The founders for the most part had no idea what it means to make a party-let alone a movement out of a club. And so these organizations nearly always stifle automatically in their absurd philistinism.

I judged the 'German Workers' Party' no differently. When Feder finally stopped talking, I was happy. I had seen enough and wanted to leave...

He wasn't happy with what he heard...he was happy the guy was DONE. He was happy in the sense that WHAT he just heard and seen reinforced his belief 'these organizations nearly always stifle automatically in their absurd philistinism'... and he wanted to LEAVE.

Hitler was attracted to 2 thing:

1) What he read in the pamphlet...Drexler's desire to building a strong nationalist, pro-military, anti-Semitic party.

2) And a small, ready-made group of usable minions to "found one (party) of my own"

Here is a very key passage that explains Hitler's reason for joining and his intent once he was a member.

"This absurd little organization with its few members seemed to me to possess the one advantage that it had not frozen into an 'organization,' but left the individual opportunity for real personal activity. Here it was still possible to work, and the smaller the movement, the more readily it could be put into the proper form. Here, the content, the goal, and the road could still be determined..."

You used wiki? You do realize wikipedia is an edit source anyone can edit that information. Plus the information in wiki is done by anyone. Wikipedia versus Mein Kampf the actual words of hitler.

You said you read this chapter?Volume One - A Reckoning
Chapter IX: The 'German Workers' Party'
This is the last part of of that chapoter I suggest that if you respond back that you read it first. I will not be so kind the next time.
I knew what these men felt: it was the longing for a new movement which should be more than a party in the previous sense of the wold.
That evening when I returned to the barracks I had formed my judgment of this association.
I was facing the hardest question of my life: should I join or should I decline?
Reason could advise me only to decline, but my feeling left me no rest, and as often as I tried to remember the absurdity of this whole club, my feeling argued for it.
I was restless in the days that followed.
I began to ponder back and forth. I had long been resolved to engage in political activity; that this could be done only in a new movement was likewise clear to me, only the impetus to act had hitherto been lacking. I am not one of those people who begin something today and lay it down tomorrow, if possible taking up something else again. This very conviction among others was the main reason why it was so hard for me to make up my mind to join such a new organization. I knew that for me a decision would be for good, with no turning back. For me it was no passing game but grim earnest. Even then I had an instinctive revulsion toward men who start everything and never carry anything out These jacks-of-all-trades were loathsome to me. I regarded the activity of such people as worse than doing nothing.
And this way of thinking constituted one of the main reasons why I could not make up my mind as easily as some others do to found a cause which either had to become everything or else would do better not to exist at all.
Fate itself now seemed to give me a hint. I should never have gone into one of the existing large parties, and later on I shall go into the reasons for this more closely. This absurd little organization with its few members seemed to me to possess the one advantage that it had not frozen into an 'organization,' but left the individual an opportunity for real personal activity. Here it was still possible to work, and the smaller the movement, the more readily it could be put into the proper form. Here the content, the goal, and the road could still be determined, which in the existing great parties was impossible from the outset.
The longer I tried to think it over, the more the conviction grew in me that through just such a little movement the rise of the nation could some day be organized, but never through the political parliamentary parties which clung far too greatly to the old conceptions or even shared in the profits of the new regime. For it was a new philosophy and not a new election slogan that had to be proclaimed.
Truly a very grave decision-to begin transforming this intention into reality!
What prerequisites did I myself bring to this task?
That I was poor and without means seemed to me the most bearable part of it, but it was harder that I was numbered among the nameless, that I was one of the millions whom chance permits to live or summons out of existence without even their closest neighbors condescending to take any notice of it. In addition, there was the difficulty which inevitably arose from my lack of schooling.
The so called 'intelligentsia' always looks down with a really limitless condescension on anyone who has not been dragged through the obligatory schools and had the necessary knowledge pumped into him. The question has never been: What are the man's abilities? but: What has he learned? To these 'educated' people the biggest empty-head, if he is wrapped in enough diplomas, is worth more than the brightest boy who happens to lack these costly envelopes. And so it was easy for me to imagine how this ' educated ' world would confront me, and in this I erred only in so far as even then I still regarded people as better than in cold reality they for the most part unfortunately are. As they are, to be sure, the exceptions, as everywhere else, shine all the more brightly. Thereby, however, I learned always to distinguish between the eternal students and the men of real ability.
After two days of agonized pondering and reflection, I finally came to the conviction that I had to take this step.
It was the most decisive resolve of my life. From here there was and could be no turning back.
And so I registered as a member of the German Workers' Party and received a provisional membership card with the number 7.

I am aware of wiki...that is why I provided wiki's embedded reference link. YOU said you were in Germany, so reading German should be a 'piece of cake' for you...But if you need them in English, how MANY sources do you want pea brain?

Hitler: A Biography, pg. 76
NSDAP
Golden Party Badge of the NSDAP
Hitler, Adolf
Nazi Party : Origins And Early Existence: 1918 1923
-----------------------------------------
Yes, I read the WHOLE chapter more than once. My question is WHAT do you need help understanding?

Ich bin nicht das einer, der das Verständnis braucht. Es ist Sie.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Welcher obama die Angst von Anhänger ist, dass sie in einem Spiegel anschauen, wenn sie einen Anhänger des Hitler anschauen. Das ist der Grund, den sie Vergleiche nicht mögen.

 

[germanguy]

Well, let us stop Heine, Schiller and Goethe rotating in their graves.
Frankly: Your german is -errrr- not nice. I do get your point, but your command of this language gives me an idea about the scope of your knowledge.

regards
ze germanguy

P.S:
BTW : in what regard I am a Revisionist ?

 

[Bfgrn]

You used wiki? You do realize wikipedia is an edit source anyone can edit that information. Plus the information in wiki is done by anyone. Wikipedia versus Mein Kampf the actual words of hitler.

You said you read this chapter?Volume One - A Reckoning
Chapter IX: The 'German Workers' Party'
This is the last part of of that chapoter I suggest that if you respond back that you read it first. I will not be so kind the next time.
I knew what these men felt: it was the longing for a new movement which should be more than a party in the previous sense of the wold.
That evening when I returned to the barracks I had formed my judgment of this association.
I was facing the hardest question of my life: should I join or should I decline?
Reason could advise me only to decline, but my feeling left me no rest, and as often as I tried to remember the absurdity of this whole club, my feeling argued for it.
I was restless in the days that followed.
I began to ponder back and forth. I had long been resolved to engage in political activity; that this could be done only in a new movement was likewise clear to me, only the impetus to act had hitherto been lacking. I am not one of those people who begin something today and lay it down tomorrow, if possible taking up something else again. This very conviction among others was the main reason why it was so hard for me to make up my mind to join such a new organization. I knew that for me a decision would be for good, with no turning back. For me it was no passing game but grim earnest. Even then I had an instinctive revulsion toward men who start everything and never carry anything out These jacks-of-all-trades were loathsome to me. I regarded the activity of such people as worse than doing nothing.
And this way of thinking constituted one of the main reasons why I could not make up my mind as easily as some others do to found a cause which either had to become everything or else would do better not to exist at all.
Fate itself now seemed to give me a hint. I should never have gone into one of the existing large parties, and later on I shall go into the reasons for this more closely. This absurd little organization with its few members seemed to me to possess the one advantage that it had not frozen into an 'organization,' but left the individual an opportunity for real personal activity. Here it was still possible to work, and the smaller the movement, the more readily it could be put into the proper form. Here the content, the goal, and the road could still be determined, which in the existing great parties was impossible from the outset.
The longer I tried to think it over, the more the conviction grew in me that through just such a little movement the rise of the nation could some day be organized, but never through the political parliamentary parties which clung far too greatly to the old conceptions or even shared in the profits of the new regime. For it was a new philosophy and not a new election slogan that had to be proclaimed.
Truly a very grave decision-to begin transforming this intention into reality!
What prerequisites did I myself bring to this task?
That I was poor and without means seemed to me the most bearable part of it, but it was harder that I was numbered among the nameless, that I was one of the millions whom chance permits to live or summons out of existence without even their closest neighbors condescending to take any notice of it. In addition, there was the difficulty which inevitably arose from my lack of schooling.
The so called 'intelligentsia' always looks down with a really limitless condescension on anyone who has not been dragged through the obligatory schools and had the necessary knowledge pumped into him. The question has never been: What are the man's abilities? but: What has he learned? To these 'educated' people the biggest empty-head, if he is wrapped in enough diplomas, is worth more than the brightest boy who happens to lack these costly envelopes. And so it was easy for me to imagine how this ' educated ' world would confront me, and in this I erred only in so far as even then I still regarded people as better than in cold reality they for the most part unfortunately are. As they are, to be sure, the exceptions, as everywhere else, shine all the more brightly. Thereby, however, I learned always to distinguish between the eternal students and the men of real ability.
After two days of agonized pondering and reflection, I finally came to the conviction that I had to take this step.
It was the most decisive resolve of my life. From here there was and could be no turning back.
And so I registered as a member of the German Workers' Party and received a provisional membership card with the number 7.

I am aware of wiki...that is why I provided wiki's embedded reference link. YOU said you were in Germany, so reading German should be a 'piece of cake' for you...But if you need them in English, how MANY sources do you want pea brain?

Hitler: A Biography, pg. 76
NSDAP
Golden Party Badge of the NSDAP
Hitler, Adolf
Nazi Party : Origins And Early Existence: 1918 1923
-----------------------------------------
Yes, I read the WHOLE chapter more than once. My question is WHAT do you need help understanding?

Ich bin nicht das einer, der das Verständnis braucht. Es ist Sie.

Did you mean: Ich bin nicht dass einer, der das Verständnis braucht. Es ist Sie?

 

[germanguy]

I am aware of wiki...that is why I provided wiki's embedded reference link. YOU said you were in Germany, so reading German should be a 'piece of cake' for you...But if you need them in English, how MANY sources do you want pea brain?

Hitler: A Biography, pg. 76
NSDAP
Golden Party Badge of the NSDAP
Hitler, Adolf
Nazi Party : Origins And Early Existence: 1918 1923
-----------------------------------------
Yes, I read the WHOLE chapter more than once. My question is WHAT do you need help understanding?

Ich bin nicht das einer, der das Verständnis braucht. Es ist Sie.

Did you mean: Ich bin nicht dass einer, der das Verständnis braucht. Es ist Sie?

Urgh - If I would be a teacher of German, I would run out of red ink.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

I am aware of wiki...that is why I provided wiki's embedded reference link. YOU said you were in Germany, so reading German should be a 'piece of cake' for you...But if you need them in English, how MANY sources do you want pea brain?

Hitler: A Biography, pg. 76
NSDAP
Golden Party Badge of the NSDAP
Hitler, Adolf
Nazi Party : Origins And Early Existence: 1918 1923
-----------------------------------------
Yes, I read the WHOLE chapter more than once. My question is WHAT do you need help understanding?

Ich bin nicht das einer, der das Verständnis braucht. Es ist Sie.

Did you mean: Ich bin nicht dass einer, der das Verständnis braucht. Es ist Sie?

Vielleicht ich hat shouId dies gesagt: bin nicht das einer, der das Verständnis braucht,. es ist Sie, der die Hilfe mit dem Verständnis braucht, wovon Hitler gesagt hat.