Why did so many Germans support Hitler?

[bigrebnc1775]

Ich bin nicht das einer, der das Verständnis braucht. Es ist Sie.

Did you mean: Ich bin nicht dass einer, der das Verständnis braucht. Es ist Sie?

Urgh - If I would be a teacher of German, I would run out of red ink.

Seien Sie kein Scheißer

 

[bigrebnc1775]

I am aware of wiki...that is why I provided wiki's embedded reference link. YOU said you were in Germany, so reading German should be a 'piece of cake' for you...But if you need them in English, how MANY sources do you want pea brain?

Hitler: A Biography, pg. 76
NSDAP
Golden Party Badge of the NSDAP
Hitler, Adolf
Nazi Party : Origins And Early Existence: 1918 1923
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Yes, I read the WHOLE chapter more than once. My question is WHAT do you need help understanding?

Ich bin nicht das einer, der das Verständnis braucht. Es ist Sie.

Did you mean: Ich bin nicht dass einer, der das Verständnis braucht. Es ist Sie?

Anyway Mein Kampf is all the source you need whenit pretains to this discussion. between you and I. CARD NUMBVER 7 at least according to hitler.

 

[Bfgrn]

Did you mean: Ich bin nicht dass einer, der das Verständnis braucht. Es ist Sie?

Urgh - If I would be a teacher of German, I would run out of red ink.

Seien Sie kein Scheißer

Well bigrebnc1775, we are even...I don't understand German, and you don't understand English.


When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

Then they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
I did not speak out;
I was not a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out for me.
Pastor Martin Niemöller

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Urgh - If I would be a teacher of German, I would run out of red ink.

Seien Sie kein Scheißer

Well bigrebnc1775, we are even...I don't understand German, and you don't understand English.


When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

Then they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
I did not speak out;
I was not a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out for me.
Pastor Martin Niemöller

I am trying to be nice but you are making it very hard to do. I fail to understand how you do not understand when hitler said that when he decided to do something he did it with everything he had. He was torn between not joining or joining the Germans workers union. This does not sound like a person who would join a group just to take over a party. It appears that youy are the one who has a hard time understanding english.

 

[Bfgrn]

Seien Sie kein Scheißer

Well bigrebnc1775, we are even...I don't understand German, and you don't understand English.


When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

Then they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
I did not speak out;
I was not a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out for me.
Pastor Martin Niemöller

I am trying to be nice but you are making it very hard to do. I fail to understand how you do not understand when hitler said that when he decided to do something he did it with everything he had. He was torn between not joining or joining the Germans workers union. This does not sound like a person who would join a group just to take over a party. It appears that youy are the one who has a hard time understanding english.

Mein Kampf by Adolf Hitler
Volume One - A Reckoning
Chapter IX: The 'German Workers' Party'

...Terrible, terrible! This was club life of the worst manner and sort. Was I to join this organization?

Next, new memberships were discussed; in other words, my capture was taken up.
I now began to ask questions-but, aside from a few directives, there was nothing, no program, no leaflet, no printed matter at all, no membership cards, not even a miserable rubber stamp, only obvious good faith and good intentions.

I had stopped smiling, for what was this if not a typical sign of the complete helplessness and total despair of all existing parties, their programs, their purposes, and their activity? The thing that drove these few young people to activity that was outwardly so absurd was only the emanation of their inner voice, which more instinctively than consciously showed them that all parties up till then were suited neither for raising up the German nation nor for curing its inner wounds. I quickly read the typed 'directives' and in them I saw more seeking than knowledge. Much was vague or unclear, much was missing, but nothing was present which could not have passed as a sign of a struggling realization.
I knew what these men felt: it was the longing for a new movement which should be more than a party in the previous sense of the wold.
That evening when I returned to the barracks I had formed my judgment of this association.

I was facing the hardest question of my life: should I join or should I decline?
Reason could advise me only to decline, but my feeling left me no rest, and as often as I tried to remember the absurdity of this whole club, my feeling argued for it.
I was restless in the days that followed.

I began to ponder back and forth. I had long been resolved to engage in political activity; that this could be done only in a new movement was likewise clear to me, only the impetus to act had hitherto been lacking. I am not one of those people who begin something today and lay it down tomorrow, if possible taking up something else again. This very conviction among others was the main reason why it was so hard for me to make up my mind to join such a new organization. I knew that for me a decision would be for good, with no turning back. For me it was no passing game but grim earnest. Even then I had an instinctive revulsion toward men who start everything and never carry anything out These jacks-of-all-trades were loathsome to me. I regarded the activity of such people as worse than doing nothing.
And this way of thinking constituted one of the main reasons why I could not make up my mind as easily as some others do to found a cause which either had to become everything or else would do better not to exist at all.
Fate itself now seemed to give me a hint. I should never have gone into one of the existing large parties, and later on I shall go into the reasons for this more closely. This absurd little organization with its few members seemed to me to possess the one advantage that it had not frozen into an 'organization,' but left the individual an opportunity for real personal activity. Here it was still possible to work, and the smaller the movement, the more readily it could be put into the proper form. Here the content, the goal, and the road could still be determined, which in the existing great parties was impossible from the outset.
The longer I tried to think it over, the more the conviction grew in me that through just such a little movement the rise of the nation could some day be organized, but never through the political parliamentary parties which clung far too greatly to the old conceptions or even shared in the profits of the new regime. For it was a new philosophy and not a new election slogan that had to be proclaimed.
Truly a very grave decision-to begin transforming this intention into reality!
What prerequisites did I myself bring to this task?
That I was poor and without means seemed to me the most bearable part of it, but it was harder that I was numbered among the nameless, that I was one of the millions whom chance permits to live or summons out of existence without even their closest neighbors condescending to take any notice of it. In addition, there was the difficulty which inevitably arose from my lack of schooling.
The so called 'intelligentsia' always looks down with a really limitless condescension on anyone who has not been dragged through the obligatory schools and had the necessary knowledge pumped into him. The question has never been: What are the man's abilities? but: What has he learned? To these 'educated' people the biggest empty-head, if he is wrapped in enough diplomas, is worth more than the brightest boy who happens to lack these costly envelopes. And so it was easy for me to imagine how this ' educated ' world would confront me, and in this I erred only in so far as even then I still regarded people as better than in cold reality they for the most part unfortunately are. As they are, to be sure, the exceptions, as everywhere else, shine all the more brightly. Thereby, however, I learned always to distinguish between the eternal students and the men of real ability.
After two days of agonized pondering and reflection, I finally came to the conviction that I had to take this step.
It was the most decisive resolve of my life. From here there was and could be no turning back.
And so I registered as a member of the German Workers' Party and received a provisional membership card with the number 7.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

You like pointing out somethings but in the end of that chapter is how hitler felt. What is Hitler saying here?

Truly a very grave decision-to begin transforming this intention into reality!
What prerequisites did I myself bring to this task?
That I was poor and without means seemed to me the most bearable part of it, but it was harder that I was numbered among the nameless, that I was one of the millions whom chance permits to live or summons out of existence without even their closest neighbors condescending to take any notice of it. In addition, there was the difficulty which inevitably arose from my lack of schooling.
The so called 'intelligentsia' always looks down with a really limitless condescension on anyone who has not been dragged through the obligatory schools and had the necessary knowledge pumped into him. The question has never been: What are the man's abilities? but: What has he learned? To these 'educated' people the biggest empty-head, if he is wrapped in enough diplomas, is worth more than the brightest boy who happens to lack these costly envelopes. And so it was easy for me to imagine how this ' educated ' world would confront me, and in this I erred only in so far as even then I still regarded people as better than in cold reality they for the most part unfortunately are. As they are, to be sure, the exceptions, as everywhere else, shine all the more brightly. Thereby, however, I learned always to distinguish between the eternal students and the men of real ability.
After two days of agonized pondering and reflection, I finally came to the conviction that I had to take this step.
It was the most decisive resolve of my life. From here there was and could be no turning back.
And so I registered as a member of the German Workers' Party and received a provisional membership card with the number 7.

 

[Bfgrn]

You like pointing out somethings but in the end of that chapter is how hitler felt. What is Hitler saying here?

Truly a very grave decision-to begin transforming this intention into reality!
What prerequisites did I myself bring to this task?
That I was poor and without means seemed to me the most bearable part of it, but it was harder that I was numbered among the nameless, that I was one of the millions whom chance permits to live or summons out of existence without even their closest neighbors condescending to take any notice of it. In addition, there was the difficulty which inevitably arose from my lack of schooling.
The so called 'intelligentsia' always looks down with a really limitless condescension on anyone who has not been dragged through the obligatory schools and had the necessary knowledge pumped into him. The question has never been: What are the man's abilities? but: What has he learned? To these 'educated' people the biggest empty-head, if he is wrapped in enough diplomas, is worth more than the brightest boy who happens to lack these costly envelopes. And so it was easy for me to imagine how this ' educated ' world would confront me, and in this I erred only in so far as even then I still regarded people as better than in cold reality they for the most part unfortunately are. As they are, to be sure, the exceptions, as everywhere else, shine all the more brightly. Thereby, however, I learned always to distinguish between the eternal students and the men of real ability.
After two days of agonized pondering and reflection, I finally came to the conviction that I had to take this step.
It was the most decisive resolve of my life. From here there was and could be no turning back.
And so I registered as a member of the German Workers' Party and received a provisional membership card with the number 7.

Megalomania, delusions of grandeur, self inflated ego, over inflated self importance, melodrama.

Do you have ANY awareness or 'feel' for the attitudes Hitler exudes in this chapter? He shows utter disdain for everyone but himself. He is egotistical, condescending, dismissive, narcissistic and even his attempts at humor are belittling or cruel.

There is NO subservience, or 'joining others' in Hitler's mind. He has no desire to 'belong' to this or ANY organization. Hitler sees himself only as a leader, not a follower. The ONLY person he shows any affinity for in this whole chapter is Anton Drexler, because Drexler's 'pamphlet' expressed a desire to build a strong nationalist, pro-military, anti-Semitic party, which is what Hitler planned to do. And Drexler flattered Hitler and it fed his ego.

The 'very grave decision-to begin transforming this intention into reality' is Hitler's intention ONLY; to found a party of his own.

He said: "I had no intention of joining a ready-made party, but wanted to found one of my own." NOW, he has decided the best way to turn that 'intention to found a party of his own' was by taking over this party comprised of men of 'absurd philistinism' that HE "could put into the proper form" HIS!

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Megalomania, delusions of grandeur, self inflated ego, over inflated self importance, melodrama.

Do you have ANY awareness or 'feel' for the attitudes Hitler exudes in this chapter? He shows utter disdain for everyone but himself. He is egotistical, condescending, dismissive, narcissistic and even his attempts at humor are belittling or cruel.

There is NO subservience, or 'joining others' in Hitler's mind. He has no desire to 'belong' to this or ANY organization. Hitler sees himself only as a leader, not a follower. The ONLY person he shows any affinity for in this whole chapter is Anton Drexler, because Drexler's 'pamphlet' expressed a desire to build a strong nationalist, pro-military, anti-Semitic party, which is what Hitler planned to do. And Drexler flattered Hitler and it fed his ego.

The 'very grave decision-to begin transforming this intention into reality' is Hitler's intention ONLY; to found a party of his own.

He said: "I had no intention of joining a ready-made party, but wanted to found one of my own." NOW, he has decided the best way to turn that 'intention to found a party of his own' was by taking over this party comprised of men of 'absurd philistinism' that HE "could put into the proper form" HIS!

He had no intention of joining a group and did want to start his own that part is true. But why would he agonize for two days over joining this group if it was his intent to take it over?
"After two days of agonized pondering and reflection, I finally came to the conviction that I had to take this step.
It was the most decisive resolve of my life. From here there was and could be no turning back.
And so I registered as a member of the German Workers' Party and received a provisional membership card with the number 7."


"I was facing the hardest question of my life: should I join or should I decline?"
Why would it be the hardest question for him to answer if it was his intent to join this group and take it over?

Why would he even have to question it? if he knew what he was going to do?

Also here is Hitlers socialist views from Chapter VIII: The Beginning of My Political Activity
The fight against international finance and loan capital became the most important point in the program of the German nation's struggle for its economic independence and freedom.
As regards the objections of so-called practical men, they can be answered as follows: All fears regarding the terrible economic consequences of the ' breaking of interest slavery ' are superfluous; for, in the first place, the previous economic prescriptions have turned out very badly for the German people, and your positions on the problems of national self-maintenance remind us strongly of the reports of similar experts in former times, for example, those of the Bavarian medical board on the question of introducing the railroad. It is well known that none of the fears of this exalted corporation were later realized: the travelers in the trains of the new 'steam horse ' did not get dizzy, the onlookers did not get sick, and the board fences to hide the new invention from sight were given up-only the board fences around the brains of all so-called 'experts' were preserved for posterity.
In the second place, the following should be noted: every idea, even the best, becomes a danger if it parades as a purpose in itself, being in reality only a means to one. For me and all true National Socialists there is but one doctrine: people and fatherland.
What we must fight for is to safeguard the existence and reproduction of our race and our people, the sustenance of our children and the purity of our blood, the freedom and independence of the fatherland, so that our people may mature for the fulfillment of the mission allotted it by the creator of the universe.

 

[L.K.Eder]

Funny how a debate about german history easily gets the furor into you Yanks.

What most here do is to view at this question while only seeing your own agenda.

The Germans did not support Hitler-
In 1933 he came to power as head of a multi-party coalition, brought to office by the far-right, a half-senile President (who definitely was not a friend of the republic, but notwithstanding took his oath to the constitution serious).

He certainly had a mandate in 1933 to end partisanship, economic crisis and the fear of bolshevism.
That he had a mandate to start a war, to lay Europe in ruins and to kill more than 50 million people was not the case. The end of 1945 was not easily foreseen in 1933.

And:

Hitler was no socialist. All this crap about Obama as a Nazi or Socialism equals Nazism is not getting the point.

As Goebbels once stated:

We do not want low bread prices, we do not want high bread prices, we want National Socialist bread prices.

The Nazis mostly gave a shit about ideology.
How to get Himmlers germanic mystizism, with his believe in astrology, Hitlers religious belief in Wagner etc. into one ideology ?
Just tell everybody what he wants to hear.

Interestingly, if you look at the respective ideological groups, the Nazis in general did not succeed with their ideology.
To the conservatives, especially the old-fashioned ones, Hitler was just an upstart, a corporal in the War.
To a lot of workers the Nazis were no Socialists. There were enough workers quarters in Germany, where being out azt night in a Party uniform was a very stupid idea.
So, with the proclaimed best supporters of the Nazis, the far right and the Socialists, Hitlers "ideology" did not work.

So, did the Germans support him ? All and in every aspect ? I really doubt it.

regards
ze germanguy

What does nazi mean. Have you by chance read his book? Oh and by the way mr. German guy I lived in Germany for two years. I have talked with the older Germans who were alive when Hitler took control. I call you post BS

ROFL - two years in Germany obviously make you an expert of this country and it´s history.
Still:
Ich bin der Überzeugung, dass Du, mein amerikanischer Freund, Deine Zeit in zu vielen Kneipen um die amerikanischen Kasernen herum verbracht hast. Inwieweit dies als seriöse Studie der deutschen Geschichte gelten kann, lassen wir einmal dahingestellt sein.

kind regards

ze germanguy

der typ ist eine offensichtliche matschbirne, deswegen gebe ich mir keine mühe, seine "frage" zu beantworten. du siehst ja, was die antwort auf einen ernsthaften beitrag ist. "du bist ein revisionist", hahahahahaha.

 

[L.K.Eder]

I too have done some pretty serious reading and lived in Germany for two years and actually talked to a lot of the folks involved as well as a ton of combat soldiers, (I am a member of a couple of their kameradschafts) and the people absolutely DID support Hitler for almost the whole time he was in power.

The whole goal of the NAZI's was to develop a "volksgemeinschaft" (look it up, it will mean more to you that way). But they were successful in developing a "frontgemeinschaft" and that was why the Deutsche soldaten were able to accomplish so much with so little. One of my German friends was captured at Anzio and even after being captured was certain the Germans would win...till he got to North Africa and saw 7 miles of fuel containers.

As he told me "had we had that amount of supply there would have been no stopping us, we never had anything approaching that amount...amazing!"

ah, so living in germany and talking to germans makes you an expert. lol.

No,

It doesn't, far from it. However it does give me a tad bit more knowledge of how the regular people felt about Hitler. I also have been able to interview Admiral Erich Topp (who was the fourth highest scoring U-Boat "Ace"), General Gunther Rall (275 aircraft shot down), Erich Hartmann (352 aircraft shot down), and a whole host of military people from the war.

Experts must do the same thing to write their books no? So I am not an expert but I am more knowledgable than you.

give it up, with your agreeing with the brain damaged threadstarter about the dap and how hitler joined, you hopped on the idjit train. no interviews with generals can save you from that. and since i barely put anything serious into this thread, you have no idea about the extent of my knowledge about this.

 

[L.K.Eder]

Did you mean: Ich bin nicht dass einer, der das Verständnis braucht. Es ist Sie?

Urgh - If I would be a teacher of German, I would run out of red ink.

Seien Sie kein Scheißer

hahaha, kehr vor deinem eigenen haus, dösbaddel.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Urgh - If I would be a teacher of German, I would run out of red ink.

Seien Sie kein Scheißer

hahaha, kehr vor deinem eigenen haus, dösbaddel.

Haben Sie irgendeine Idee, was Sie Idioten gesagt haben?

 

[L.K.Eder]

Seien Sie kein Scheißer

hahaha, kehr vor deinem eigenen haus, dösbaddel.

Haben Sie irgendeine Idee, was Sie Idioten gesagt haben?

englisch kannste nicht, deutsch kannste nicht, lesen kannste nicht. wat kannste denn überhaupt?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

hahaha, kehr vor deinem eigenen haus, dösbaddel.

Haben Sie irgendeine Idee, was Sie Idioten gesagt haben?

englisch kannste nicht, deutsch kannste nicht, lesen kannste nicht. wat kannste denn überhaupt?

Your best bet is to stick with a language that you understand. Die deutsche Sprache ist nicht für Sie. gut tschüs zurück auf ignoriert

 

[L.K.Eder]

Haben Sie irgendeine Idee, was Sie Idioten gesagt haben?

englisch kannste nicht, deutsch kannste nicht, lesen kannste nicht. wat kannste denn überhaupt?

Your best bet is to stick with a language that you understand. Die deutsche Sprache ist nicht für Sie. gut tschüs zurück auf ignoriert

tja, tranlator-bots kommen an ihre grenzen, wenn ich Umgangssprache schreibe, hahaha.

Es war ein großer Spaß, wie immer.

 

[editec]

Interesting watching you two amateur foresensic psychologists trying to unravel Hitler's mind.

You're not the only people who are fascinated by the question of who Hitler was and how he got to be that way.

You BOTH might find THE CASTLE IN THE FOREST by Norman Mailer worth your time. I read a few years ago and found it quite fascinating.

Here's what the Villiage Voice said of the work

Mailer accomplishes the counter-myth. Hitler is not a monster: Monsters aren't human, and hence aren't responsible for inhuman behavior. Mailer accepts this without letting Adolf off the hook. Nor does he neglect to acknowledge what is terra incognita. Everything in Hitler's life that Castle paints for us resonates with the sour music of chance, the Manichean flexibility of human will, and the mystery embedded in every creature.

 

[L.K.Eder]

Interesting watching you two amateur foresensic psychologists trying to unravel Hitler's mind.

You're not the only people who are fascinated by the question of who Hitler was and how he got to be that way.

You BOTH might find THE CASTLE IN THE FOREST by Norman Mailer worth your time. I read a few years ago and found it quite fascinating.

Here's what the Villiage Voice said of the work

Mailer accomplishes the counter-myth. Hitler is not a monster: Monsters aren't human, and hence aren't responsible for inhuman behavior. Mailer accepts this without letting Adolf off the hook. Nor does he neglect to acknowledge what is terra incognita. Everything in Hitler's life that Castle paints for us resonates with the sour music of chance, the Manichean flexibility of human will, and the mystery embedded in every creature.

"Interesting watching you two amateur foresensic psychologists trying to unravel Hitler's mind."

i am doing nothing of the sort.

 

[editec]

Interesting watching you two amateur foresensic psychologists trying to unravel Hitler's mind.

You're not the only people who are fascinated by the question of who Hitler was and how he got to be that way.

You BOTH might find THE CASTLE IN THE FOREST by Norman Mailer worth your time. I read a few years ago and found it quite fascinating.

Here's what the Villiage Voice said of the work

Mailer accomplishes the counter-myth. Hitler is not a monster: Monsters aren't human, and hence aren't responsible for inhuman behavior. Mailer accepts this without letting Adolf off the hook. Nor does he neglect to acknowledge what is terra incognita. Everything in Hitler's life that Castle paints for us resonates with the sour music of chance, the Manichean flexibility of human will, and the mystery embedded in every creature.

"Interesting watching you two amateur foresensic psychologists trying to unravel Hitler's mind."

i am doing nothing of the sort.

No?

Okay if you say so, who am I to disagree?

 

[L.K.Eder]

Interesting watching you two amateur foresensic psychologists trying to unravel Hitler's mind.

You're not the only people who are fascinated by the question of who Hitler was and how he got to be that way.

You BOTH might find THE CASTLE IN THE FOREST by Norman Mailer worth your time. I read a few years ago and found it quite fascinating.

Here's what the Villiage Voice said of the work

"Interesting watching you two amateur foresensic psychologists trying to unravel Hitler's mind."

i am doing nothing of the sort.

No?

Okay if you say so, who am I to disagree?

i am just being a jerk. i "debated" the rise of hitler and the third reich on this board before, and i realized early on that this is the wrong venue, haha. so now, i am just having fun with idjits.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Interesting watching you two amateur foresensic psychologists trying to unravel Hitler's mind.

You're not the only people who are fascinated by the question of who Hitler was and how he got to be that way.

You BOTH might find THE CASTLE IN THE FOREST by Norman Mailer worth your time. I read a few years ago and found it quite fascinating.

Here's what the Villiage Voice said of the work

Mailer accomplishes the counter-myth. Hitler is not a monster: Monsters aren't human, and hence aren't responsible for inhuman behavior. Mailer accepts this without letting Adolf off the hook. Nor does he neglect to acknowledge what is terra incognita. Everything in Hitler's life that Castle paints for us resonates with the sour music of chance, the Manichean flexibility of human will, and the mystery embedded in every creature.

Why read someone else's works/books on hitler? If you want to know Hitler you would read his work's/books and talk with the people who were alive when hitler was in power.