Why Did My Friends Die in Iraq?

[georgephillip]

"The abolition of war will demand distasteful limitations of national sovereignty."

"distasteful" is incorrect "unacceptable" is the far more accurate term. You can't abolish war by starting one.

You can abolish war by removing its profit potential:

"2. Veritas Capital Fund/DynCorp

"At first blush, a private equity fund (and not, say, Exxon-Mobil) being the number 2 profiteer in the Iraq war might sound strange.

"However, the cleverly run fund has raked in $1.44 billion through its DynCorp subsidiary.

"The primary service DynCorp has provided to the war efforts is the training of new Iraqi police forces.

"Often described as a ‘state within a state‘, the sizable company is headed by Dwight M. Williams, former Chief Security Officer of the upstart U.S. Department of Homeland Security.

"With this and other close ties to defense agencies, Veritas Capital Fund and DynCorp are well-positioned to capitalize on Iraq even more."

The 25 Most Vicious Iraq War Profiteers

Can you think of any good reason why national defense should not be a non-profit enterprise?

 

[usmcstinger]

Why did we invade Iraq?

Even if you're able to forgive bush and his cronies for putting us so deeply in debt that it will take generations to dig us out, the wanton and needless killing and maiming of so many Americans and others is just unforgivable.

Especially since vets ow have to keep fighting for every little crumb they get.

Did you serve in combat?

 

[usmcstinger]

When is the next stoopid war starting?

Hey Stupid One.
We are fighting the War against Terrorism and probably for a long time.

 

[usmcstinger]

Do you honestly believe our First Amendment rights would have been compromised more than they already have been if no US service members had gone to war since 1945?

Yes. I do

"Korea 1950-1953 1952
Current Year $ 30 billion 4.2% 13.2%
Constant FY2011$ 341 billion
Vietnam 1965-1975 1968
Current Year $ 111 billion 2.3% 9.5%
Constant FY2011$ 738 billion
Persian Gulf Warb 1990-1991 1991
Current Year $ 61 billion 0.3% 4.6%
Constant FY2011$ 102 billion
Iraq 2003-2010 2008
Current Year $ 715 billion 1.0% 4.3%
Constant FY2011$ 784 billion
Afghanistan/Otherac 2001-2010 2010
Current Year $ 297 billion 0.7% 4.9%
Constant FY2011$ 321 billion
Total Post-9/11—Iraq,
Afghanistan/Otherd 2001-2010 2008
Current Year $ 1,046 billion 1.2% 4.3%
Constant FY2011$ 1,147 billion
Sources: All estimates are of the costs of military operations only and do not reflect costs of veterans’ benefits,
interest on war-related debt, or assistance to allies. Except for costs of the American Revolution and the Civil
War costs of the Confederacy, all estimates are based on U.S. government budget data."

$Trillions spent on invasions and occupations along with millions of innocent civilians maimed, murdered, and displaced since 1945 for what exactly?

https://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RS22926.pdf

The War In Vietnam ended on March 28, 1973. All US Military Forces were gone by this date. Therefore, the awarding of the Vietnam Service Medal ended on the same date.

 

[usmcstinger]

You really think 5 years is long enough to fix what has been wrong since before WWII?

He's good but, believe it or not, he's not a god.

Baja Democrats - News & events of AZ Democratis, with emphasis on Southern Arizona Democrats

One million Vets wait for care – A National Disgrace

... For example, in 2010 Secretary of Veterans Affairs Eric Shinseki announced that three diseases — ischemic heart disease, Parkinson’s disease and b-cell leukemia — would be considered the result of Agent Orange exposure for veterans who served in Vietnam. More than 240,000 claims for those diseases have been filed since that announcement. ...

... the VA spent 4 years and $537 million on a new computer to streamline the claims process. It was less than a resounding success; 97% of veteran’s claims are still filed on paper, and that’s the single biggest reason that stands out for the backlog – they VA is literally being buried in a mountain of paperwork....

That [photo above] the mountain of paperwork at the Winston-Salem NC VA office, the weight of all that paperwork compromised the structural integrity of the building – they were worried the floor would collapse.

Quit blaming President Obama for everything. Its childish and counter-productive.


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Actually, there are many more diseases associated with exposure to Agent Orange in Vietnam and certain Military Units who served in Korea.
Veterans' Diseases Associated with Agent Orange - Public Health
The worse part is too many of my Brother and Sister In Country Vietnam Veterans died of these diseases before they were recognized by the VA.

 

[Dot Com]

"The abolition of war will demand distasteful limitations of national sovereignty."

"distasteful" is incorrect "unacceptable" is the far more accurate term. You can't abolish war by starting one.

You can abolish war by removing its profit potential:

"2. Veritas Capital Fund/DynCorp

"At first blush, a private equity fund (and not, say, Exxon-Mobil) being the number 2 profiteer in the Iraq war might sound strange.

"However, the cleverly run fund has raked in $1.44 billion through its DynCorp subsidiary.

"The primary service DynCorp has provided to the war efforts is the training of new Iraqi police forces.

"Often described as a ‘state within a state‘, the sizable company is headed by Dwight M. Williams, former Chief Security Officer of the upstart U.S. Department of Homeland Security.

"With this and other close ties to defense agencies, Veritas Capital Fund and DynCorp are well-positioned to capitalize on Iraq even more."

The 25 Most Vicious Iraq War Profiteers

Can you think of any good reason why national defense should not be a non-profit enterprise?

yep. They cleaned up in Iraq. Quite profitable for them. For the rest of us? Not so much.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

When is the next stoopid war starting?

As soon as there's an R in the White House.

Some have been trying to get a war in Iran and will start a war as soon as they can.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

You really think 5 years is long enough to fix what has been wrong since before WWII?

He's good but, believe it or not, he's not a god.

Baja Democrats - News & events of AZ Democratis, with emphasis on Southern Arizona Democrats

One million Vets wait for care – A National Disgrace

... For example, in 2010 Secretary of Veterans Affairs Eric Shinseki announced that three diseases — ischemic heart disease, Parkinson’s disease and b-cell leukemia — would be considered the result of Agent Orange exposure for veterans who served in Vietnam. More than 240,000 claims for those diseases have been filed since that announcement. ...

... the VA spent 4 years and $537 million on a new computer to streamline the claims process. It was less than a resounding success; 97% of veteran’s claims are still filed on paper, and that’s the single biggest reason that stands out for the backlog – they VA is literally being buried in a mountain of paperwork....

That [photo above] the mountain of paperwork at the Winston-Salem NC VA office, the weight of all that paperwork compromised the structural integrity of the building – they were worried the floor would collapse.

Quit blaming President Obama for everything. Its childish and counter-productive.


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Actually, there are many more diseases associated with exposure to Agent Orange in Vietnam and certain Military Units who served in Korea.
Veterans' Diseases Associated with Agent Orange - Public Health
The worse part is too many of my Brother and Sister In Country Vietnam Veterans died of these diseases before they were recognized by the VA.

Not to mention PTSD which is not recognized in VN vets.

 

[Dot Com]

When is the next stoopid war starting?

As soon as there's an R in the White House.

Some have been trying to get a war in Iran and will start a war as soon as they can.

yep. Its good for business of their primary donors Who cares what the end game is or how many casualties there are right? As long as theres profit involved, its AOK w/ Repubs.

 

[georgephillip]

Yes. I do

"Korea 1950-1953 1952
Current Year $ 30 billion 4.2% 13.2%
Constant FY2011$ 341 billion
Vietnam 1965-1975 1968
Current Year $ 111 billion 2.3% 9.5%
Constant FY2011$ 738 billion
Persian Gulf Warb 1990-1991 1991
Current Year $ 61 billion 0.3% 4.6%
Constant FY2011$ 102 billion
Iraq 2003-2010 2008
Current Year $ 715 billion 1.0% 4.3%
Constant FY2011$ 784 billion
Afghanistan/Otherac 2001-2010 2010
Current Year $ 297 billion 0.7% 4.9%
Constant FY2011$ 321 billion
Total Post-9/11—Iraq,
Afghanistan/Otherd 2001-2010 2008
Current Year $ 1,046 billion 1.2% 4.3%
Constant FY2011$ 1,147 billion
Sources: All estimates are of the costs of military operations only and do not reflect costs of veterans’ benefits,
interest on war-related debt, or assistance to allies. Except for costs of the American Revolution and the Civil
War costs of the Confederacy, all estimates are based on U.S. government budget data."

$Trillions spent on invasions and occupations along with millions of innocent civilians maimed, murdered, and displaced since 1945 for what exactly?

https://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RS22926.pdf

The War In Vietnam ended on March 28, 1973. All US Military Forces were gone by this date. Therefore, the awarding of the Vietnam Service Medal ended on the same date.

I'm unsure of the significance of the VSM?
Are you saying we are no longer paying for that invasion?

 

[Dot Com]

This is what $3 TRILLION + (taking into acct current & future medical care costs for vets) in borrowed $$$ looks like.

 

[usmcstinger]

"Korea 1950-1953 1952
Current Year $ 30 billion 4.2% 13.2%
Constant FY2011$ 341 billion
Vietnam 1965-1975 1968
Current Year $ 111 billion 2.3% 9.5%
Constant FY2011$ 738 billion
Persian Gulf Warb 1990-1991 1991
Current Year $ 61 billion 0.3% 4.6%
Constant FY2011$ 102 billion
Iraq 2003-2010 2008
Current Year $ 715 billion 1.0% 4.3%
Constant FY2011$ 784 billion
Afghanistan/Otherac 2001-2010 2010
Current Year $ 297 billion 0.7% 4.9%
Constant FY2011$ 321 billion
Total Post-9/11—Iraq,
Afghanistan/Otherd 2001-2010 2008
Current Year $ 1,046 billion 1.2% 4.3%
Constant FY2011$ 1,147 billion
Sources: All estimates are of the costs of military operations only and do not reflect costs of veterans’ benefits,
interest on war-related debt, or assistance to allies. Except for costs of the American Revolution and the Civil
War costs of the Confederacy, all estimates are based on U.S. government budget data."

$Trillions spent on invasions and occupations along with millions of innocent civilians maimed, murdered, and displaced since 1945 for what exactly?

https://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RS22926.pdf

The War In Vietnam ended on March 28, 1973. All US Military Forces were gone by this date. Therefore, the awarding of the Vietnam Service Medal ended on the same date.

I'm unsure of the significance of the VSM?
Are you saying we are no longer paying for that invasion?

If you do not understand the significance of the Vietnam Service Medal, then you are not very bright. Do some research you nitwit.

 

[georgephillip]

The War In Vietnam ended on March 28, 1973. All US Military Forces were gone by this date. Therefore, the awarding of the Vietnam Service Medal ended on the same date.

I'm unsure of the significance of the VSM?
Are you saying we are no longer paying for that invasion?

If you do not understand the significance of the Vietnam Service Medal, then you are not very bright. Do some research you nitwit.

You were first to interject the medal into the conversation.
Surely, you had a good reason.
What would that be?

 

[Luddly Neddite]

The War In Vietnam ended on March 28, 1973. All US Military Forces were gone by this date. Therefore, the awarding of the Vietnam Service Medal ended on the same date.

I'm unsure of the significance of the VSM?
Are you saying we are no longer paying for that invasion?

If you do not understand the significance of the Vietnam Service Medal, then you are not very bright. Do some research you nitwit.

Post after post, you imply that you know so much but when asked a question, you get nasty.

I also wanted to ask you a question but why bother?

Sad.

 

[bianco]

When is the next stoopid war starting?

As soon as there's an R in the White House.

Some have been trying to get a war in Iran and will start a war as soon as they can.

Someone had better blow up those nuke factories in Iran soon or we're all doomed.
Netanyahu explained it all on the world stage, that it's 5 minutes to midnight.
Most of the world laughed at him.
No laughing matter IMO.

The smile will disappear from their faces when all their cities, towns, and suburbs are radioactive from the falling or backpack bombs.

 

[HenryBHough]

And when they get them small enough to fit into pressure cookers........

 

[Bumberclyde]

When is the next stoopid war starting?

As soon as there's an R in the White House.

Some have been trying to get a war in Iran and will start a war as soon as they can.

Someone had better blow up those nuke factories in Iran soon or we're all doomed.
Netanyahu explained it all on the world stage, that it's 5 minutes to midnight.
Most of the world laughed at him.
No laughing matter IMO.

The smile will disappear from their faces when all their cities, towns, and suburbs are radioactive from the falling or backpack bombs.

Iran wants to nuke Israel? So ******* what?

 

[Quadravius]

Thats right they go and fight so you can write ******* despicable posts like you just did you ungrateful piece of shit!

What danger did iraq ever pose to come to the the shores of the usa with a military and invade your country and take your rights away? You all attacking iraq has nothing to do with protecting anyones rights. Keep thinking your special anyway though.

 

[thanatos144]

Thats right they go and fight so you can write ******* despicable posts like you just did you ungrateful piece of shit!

What danger did iraq ever pose to come to the the shores of the usa with a military and invade your country and take your rights away? You all attacking iraq has nothing to do with protecting anyones rights. Keep thinking your special anyway though.

Hey dummy you do know he funded terrorists right? Go eat a shit.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Hey..................Thanatos144, how many years did YOU serve in the military?

Me? I served 20 years in the U.S. Navy.

I'm guessing you served zero, because you don't really sound like you've ever been in, you just sound like someone who likes to tout the troops, yet would never serve.